Kansas playing in Puerto Rico

[rabbitTown]

You watch the game? We had 3 bench warmers playing in the 4th until the 5 minute mark.

You're arguments are weak and homerish... like you have no idea what the sole purpose of these trips are.
It's an exhibition. Both of the coaches are looking at a much bigger picture respectively. Neither team was coached to win as they would in March (or in the trials the Bahamian team is gearing up for). They were each experimenting with how different groups of guys played together with very limited prior practice. Seeing how coachable the players are and how they responded in close-game situations (neither wanted a blowout... you don't learn nearly as much). You can't (and shouldn't take any more away from it than that).
Yes, you played against some above average talent, got the team to bond in activities outside of lawrence, and Self learned a lot I am sure. And that is the big difference between your team and ours... is that Self will likely effectively apply what he has learned so early about his kids.

 

[rabbitTown]

Earlier in the thread I said that this years Kansas team would take a step back from last years team and they acted like I was the biggest idiot in the world. Considering last years Kansas team was a 1 seed and they lost their 2 best players and their entire bench, is it that crazy of a prediction? They're really drinking the Hunter Dickinson kool-aid over there

Except... that they lose one or two each year and still get 1 seeds. Oachi and Braun were not the same players the year before the championship. I expected them to take a dive with them and their big guy. Then Wilson became an overnight phenom (he did little the year before). This year they didn't wait for someone to step up, they went and got some dudes.
There step up this year... is their PG. He will slow play you and get to any point on the floor he wants. It is hard to look at him and be impressed (physical eye test). But I watched last season, and he was much more assertive today... even against their NBA guards.

 

[MidseasonTweak]

Then you should bet some money cuz they would and will be pretty large underdogs.

We're going to whip your asses lol. Silly troll.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Are you suggesting that we treat rivals the same as fellow cat fans? On a message board? This is your take?

I mean, I dunno....I;ve never had an issue over here. A few knuckleheads haven given me the "stinky eye"---But for the most part, I've always seemed "weelcomed".

Even though a message board, its still a form of communication, conversing...Really no different than if I met you at a bar, you had on a UK hat, me an IU hat---I wouldn't dislike you immediately just b/c you had on a UK hat, or something. TBH I've met A LOT of really nice, fanatastic UK fans---one being my wife. On the other hand, I've met, well.....not so no nice UK fans. Same goes for on here. Most are cool as ****---others just see my as an IU fan---not a person, someone just wnting to talk hoops. Shame....If I disregarded every person I saw because they had on UK gear, I would have missed out on some really good conversations, friends, and well-----One hell of a wife..

JMO.

 

[kywildcat41035]

That 3 by Hunter Dickinson from the top of the key looked pure. He also had a nice pass off a "U" cut at the top. Perfect fit for Self's system.

Definitely a perfect fit for $elf’s system….

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

I mean, I dunno....I;ve never had an issue over here. A few knuckleheads haven given me the "stinky eye"---But for the most part, I've always seemed "weelcomed".

Even though a message board, its still a form of communication, conversing...Really no different than if I met you at a bar, you had on a UK hat, me an IU hat---I wouldn't dislike you immediately just b/c you had on a UK hat, or something. TBH I've met A LOT of really nice, fanatastic UK fans---one being my wife. On the other hand, I've met, well.....not so no nice UK fans. Same goes for on here. Most are cool as ****---others just see my as an IU fan---not a person, someone just wnting to talk hoops. Shame....If I disregarded every person I saw because they had on UK gear, I would have missed out on some really good conversations, friends, and well-----One hell of a wife..

JMO.

I’m glad you have had a positive experience.

 

[bbncal02]

Played 24-21 minutes each. Full team full of pros. Very impressive outing from Kansas.

TWO. You faced TWO good pros. Not a team full of.

 

[$Z71$]

TWO. You faced TWO good pros. Not a team full of.

And Eric Gordon’s +\- was -5, so Bahamas played worse the 20 minutes he played. Not to mention Bahamas outscored Kansas 18-16 in the fourth quarter in which neither Gordon or Hield played at all.

Homers will homer but in reality a team of bench players and mid major 4th and 5th options beat Kansas. Yes it’s cool that two seasoned NBA guys played with those guys as well but either way overall the Bahamas team isn’t any better than the teams we’ve played in the past in similar games. Kansas isn’t a world beater this year, are they top 15-20 sure; but nothing more.

 

[UK_born_z_bread]

I will bet you $1,000 right spankin' now that the opening line will be nowhere close to 7 hahaha.

Not sure you understand how lines work or how big of a spread that would be for a borderline top-10 matchup on a neutral floor. You are dreaming if you think that.

Even if the game was in Lawrence, it STILL wouldn't be 7.

Between 3 and 3.5 is almost certainly where it'll be, and it wouldn't surprise me if the betting trends moved it closer to 2.5 by tip-off..

For reference, the line last year between #4 ranked Kentucky and an unranked Michigan State team on a neutral floor was also 7. Not a borderline top-10 matchup vs. a Kentucky team with 4 first-round picks and probably 2 second-round picks, PLUS Mitchell, Sheppard, Reeves, etc.

Dreaming.

I actually think he’s right. According to KenPom, #1 vs. #16 (about where we will open) on a neutral court was a +10.5. Even #1 vs. #10 was +7.5. Vegas opens their lines using KenPom.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

I actually think he’s right. According to KenPom, #1 vs. #16 (about where we will open) on a neutral court was a +10.5. Even #1 vs. #10 was +7.5. Vegas opens their lines using KenPom.

You're really going to make me work here, which is annoying and I hold you personally responsible (kidding, mostly).

But first, 2 notes:

1. Vegas does not use Kenpom to set their opening lines.

2. We will open higher than #16.

Examples Just From Last year:

Kentucky @ Gonzaga (true road game): Gonzaga -4
#4 Kentucky vs. Unranked Michigan State (Neutral): Kentucky -7
#22 Tennessee vs. #3 Kansas (Neutral): Tennessee -1.5
#16 Indiana @ #8 Kansas (True Road Game): Kansas -5
#3 Kansas vs. Unranked Wisconsin (Neutral): Kansas -7.5
#8 Duke vs. Unranked Xavier (Neutral): Duke -5.5
#3 Houston vs. Unranked Oregon (Neutral): Houston -7

These are literally just the first handful of games I looked up where there was a much larger discrepancy vs. what there will be for Kentucky vs. Kansas next year.

-7.5 opening line is on par or worse than what completely UNRANKED teams were getting vs. top 10 teams, some of which being in true road games.

We will open #10-#13 IMO, but either way, there is a 0% chance that the opening line for our game against Kansas is even close to that line, the proof is above you and I could have kept going, I just went to Duke/Kansas' schedules and clicked on the first few early season games, etc..

But by all means, if you would also like to join the $1,000 bet, I will gladly invite that to happen.

 

[Mike-D]

I mean, I dunno....I;ve never had an issue over here. A few knuckleheads haven given me the "stinky eye"---But for the most part, I've always seemed "weelcomed".

Even though a message board, its still a form of communication, conversing...Really no different than if I met you at a bar, you had on a UK hat, me an IU hat---I wouldn't dislike you immediately just b/c you had on a UK hat, or something. TBH I've met A LOT of really nice, fanatastic UK fans---one being my wife. On the other hand, I've met, well.....not so no nice UK fans. Same goes for on here. Most are cool as ****---others just see my as an IU fan---not a person, someone just wnting to talk hoops. Shame....If I disregarded every person I saw because they had on UK gear, I would have missed out on some really good conversations, friends, and well-----One hell of a wife..

JMO.

Go on a KU message board and tell them IU would be 7 point favorites if you all played in November. Come report the feedback when you're done.

 

[UK_born_z_bread]

You're really going to make me work here, which is annoying and I hold you personally responsible (kidding, mostly).

But first, 2 notes:

1. Vegas does not use Kenpom to set their opening lines.

2. We will open higher than #16.

Examples Just From Last year:

Kentucky @ Gonzaga (true road game): Gonzaga -4
#4 Kentucky vs. Unranked Michigan State (Neutral): Kentucky -7
#22 Tennessee vs. #3 Kansas (Neutral): Tennessee -1.5
#16 Indiana @ #8 Kansas (True Road Game): Kansas -5
#3 Kansas vs. Unranked Wisconsin (Neutral): Kansas -7.5
#8 Duke vs. Unranked Xavier (Neutral): Duke -5.5
#3 Houston vs. Unranked Oregon (Neutral): Houston -7

These are literally just the first handful of games I looked up where there was a much larger discrepancy vs. what there will be for Kentucky vs. Kansas next year.

-7.5 opening line is on par or worse than what completely UNRANKED teams were getting vs. top 10 teams, some of which being in true road games.

We will open #10-#13 IMO, but either way, there is a 0% chance that the opening line for our game against Kansas is even close to that line, the proof is above you and I could have kept going, I just went to Duke/Kansas' schedules and clicked on the first few early season games, etc..

But by all means, if you would also like to join the $1,000 bet, I will gladly invite that to happen.

Appreciate the response, but I am not sure where you are getting your info from.

1) “Sportsbooks take KenPom predictions into account to make their lines.” (May 30, 2023, https://www.pointspreads.com/guides/kenpom-betting-system-guide/#:~:text=Sportsbooks take KenPom predictions into,system is still extremely reliable.)

2) #1 was a +29.86 AdjEM at end of the year, and #16 was a +19.35 AdjEM. That is a +10.5 on a neutral court. #10 was a +22.38 AdjEM, making it a +7.5 on a neutral court. You are looking at Rk, column A right? You should be looking at AdjEM in column d. I’m guessing you are looking at earlier games where the teams were clustered last year around low teens with artificial hair split differences between them, which lends itself to lower spreads. Lot of NIL makeover last year led to that ultra clustering around peak of the curve with few projected outliers. It’s why teams like Michigan state that were Unranked were still within a few points of teams like UK who were ranked much higher even though the AdjEM was not much different. The curve became less dense as the year went on and teams began to separate. That led to much larger point spreads on neutral courts. Although KP has not released 2023-2024 projections yet, it is widely expected to have a more even distribution than the preseason clustering last year at the midpoint. I would expect us to e somewhere around +16.8 and KU to be around somewhere around +23. Historically, he starts AdjEM lower and it widens out as teams get more games under their belts. The rare exception to that was UK in 2015 when they opened above a +31.00. Wisconsin and Duke spent all season closing that gap but never did despite the FF outcome. Wisconsin ended up at a blistering 33.72. Duke finished at a remarkable 32.47. But UK finished with the third greatest mark in the KenPom era: +36.91…behind only 2001 Duke (+37.32) and 1999 Duke (a whopping +43.01).

 

[Tampa_cat54]

Appreciate the response, but I am not sure where you are getting your info from.

1) “Sportsbooks take KenPom predictions into account to make their lines.” (May 30, 2023, https://www.pointspreads.com/guides/kenpom-betting-system-guide/#:~:text=Sportsbooks take KenPom predictions into,system is still extremely reliable.)

2) #1 was a +29.86 AdjEM at end of the year, and #16 was a +19.35 AdjEM. That is a +10.5 on a neutral court. #10 was a +22.38 AdjEM, making it a +7.5 on a neutral court. You are looking at Rk, column A right? You should be looking at AdjEM in column d. I’m guessing you are looking at earlier games where the teams were clustered last year around low teens with artificial hair split differences between them, which lends itself to lower spreads. Lot of NIL makeover last year led to that ultra clustering around peak of the curve with few projected outliers. It’s why teams like Michigan state that were Unranked were still within a few points of teams like UK who were ranked much higher even though the AdjEM was not much different. The curve became less dense as the year went on and teams began to separate. That led to much larger point spreads on neutral courts. Although KP has not released 2023-2024 projections yet, it is widely expected to have a more even distribution than the preseason clustering last year at the midpoint. I would expect us to e somewhere around +16.8 and KU to be around somewhere around +23. Historically, he starts AdjEM lower and it widens out as teams get more games under their belts. The rare exception to that was UK in 2015 when they opened above a +31.00. Wisconsin and Duke spent all season closing that gap but never did despite the FF outcome. Wisconsin ended up at a blistering 33.72. Duke finished at a remarkable 32.47. But UK finished with the third greatest mark in the KenPom era: +36.91…behind only 2001 Duke (+37.32) and 1999 Duke (a whopping +43.01).

I'm going to stop you right now on #2- I didn't get those numbers I posted from from Kenpom, they were the official Vegas lines for the games.

I am not speaking whatsoever on what Kenpom will predict, I am talking vegas lines, which is what I posted in my above response.

Again- if you'd like to place a wager on it, I'd be happy, but there is a 0% chance that the VEGAS line opens at -7.5.

 

[Mike-D]

Appreciate the response, but I am not sure where you are getting your info from.

1) “Sportsbooks take KenPom predictions into account to make their lines.” (May 30, 2023, https://www.pointspreads.com/guides/kenpom-betting-system-guide/#:~:text=Sportsbooks take KenPom predictions into,system is still extremely reliable.)

2) #1 was a +29.86 AdjEM at end of the year, and #16 was a +19.35 AdjEM. That is a +10.5 on a neutral court. #10 was a +22.38 AdjEM, making it a +7.5 on a neutral court. You are looking at Rk, column A right? You should be looking at AdjEM in column d. I’m guessing you are looking at earlier games where the teams were clustered last year around low teens with artificial hair split differences between them, which lends itself to lower spreads. Lot of NIL makeover last year led to that ultra clustering around peak of the curve with few projected outliers. It’s why teams like Michigan state that were Unranked were still within a few points of teams like UK who were ranked much higher even though the AdjEM was not much different. The curve became less dense as the year went on and teams began to separate. That led to much larger point spreads on neutral courts. Although KP has not released 2023-2024 projections yet, it is widely expected to have a more even distribution than the preseason clustering last year at the midpoint. I would expect us to e somewhere around +16.8 and KU to be around somewhere around +23. Historically, he starts AdjEM lower and it widens out as teams get more games under their belts. The rare exception to that was UK in 2015 when they opened above a +31.00. Wisconsin and Duke spent all season closing that gap but never did despite the FF outcome. Wisconsin ended up at a blistering 33.72. Duke finished at a remarkable 32.47. But UK finished with the third greatest mark in the KenPom era: +36.91…behind only 2001 Duke (+37.32) and 1999 Duke (a whopping +43.01).

New account to show us weird stats.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

New account to show us weird stats.

Didn't even notice it was a new account hahaha that's so strange.

I mean toss all the stats they want- 0% chance the line is 7.5 on a neutral floor to start the year.

 

[Mike-D]

Didn't even notice it was a new account hahaha that's so strange.

I mean toss all the stats they want- 0% chance the line is 7.5 on a neutral floor to start the year.

Probably the same KU nerd. People are so weird.

 

[Nooneputsbabyinacorner]

Harris the best PG in America? That’s laughable. He wasn’t even top 20.

He just scored 24 against NBA talent.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

He just scored 24 against NBA talent.

He also went 0-4 with 2 points against a horrible Puerto Rico squad and on Saturday went 1-8 with 2 points against the same Bahamian team with less NBA talent and Buddy Hield giving 50% effort and only playing half the game.

But sure let's overreact to 1 game where the 2 NBA guys once again played 50% effort and only half the game.

1 good game out of 3 doesn't exactly scream "best PG in America".

 

[Fox2monk]

He also went 0-4 with 2 points against a horrible Puerto Rico squad and on Saturday went 1-8 with 2 points against the same Bahamian team with less NBA talent and Buddy Hield giving 50% effort and only playing half the game.

But sure let's overreact to 1 game where the 2 NBA guys once again played 50% effort and only half the game.

1 good game out of 3 doesn't exactly scream "best PG in America".

They say we have homer takes.

 

[Fox2monk]

He just scored 24 against NBA talent.

Gonna take more than one summer league game against 2 guys giving minimal effort and playing half the game. Look at his overall work, not too good. To be #1 you gotta bring it every game. I’m not saying he’s trash but there’s a big difference between a solid PG and the best PG.

 

[Mike-D]

Lol wtf is going on. We on a KU or UK board?

 

[bbncal02]

Lol wtf is going on. We on a KU or UK board?

My point exactly. S'ok to talk about college ball, but man, lot of KU butt kissing gone on around here lately.

 

[Nooneputsbabyinacorner]

Gonna take more than one summer league game against 2 guys giving minimal effort and playing half the game. Look at his overall work, not too good. To be #1 you gotta bring it every game. I’m not saying he’s trash but there’s a big difference between a solid PG and the best PG.

He had 9 assists in that terrible game and when we play he'll be the only point guard on the floor with a national title.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

He had 9 assists in that terrible game and when we play he'll be the only point guard on the floor with a national title.

Nothing you have said even comes close to making him the best PG in the country, let alone top 15-20, but you do you.

 

[UK_born_z_bread]

Probably the same KU nerd. People are so weird.

No, I went to UK, class of ‘92. This was established on my other handles. It’s also been confirmed that I donate to the athletics program, as evidenced by my family brick outside JCC.

 

[UK_born_z_bread]

I'm going to stop you right now on #2- I didn't get those numbers I posted from from Kenpom, they were the official Vegas lines for the games.

I am not speaking whatsoever on what Kenpom will predict, I am talking vegas lines, which is what I posted in my above response.

Again- if you'd like to place a wager on it, I'd be happy, but there is a 0% chance that the VEGAS line opens at -7.5.

But that’s circular reasoning. You can’t sit there and concede #1 (that Vegas uses KenPom to set its opening lines) and then sit there and say you only care about Vegas lines, not KenPom lines. And we are talking here about how Vegas will open, not which way the money will have pushed it by tip-off.

 

[Padsfs07]

Looks like Kansas closed out the trip with the following scoring averages:

G Harris - 9.0 (6.7 APG)
G Morris - 13.5 (2 games)
G McCullar - 13.7
F Adams - 13.0
C Dickinson - 18.3

Timberlake - 8.7
Jackson - 10.7
Clemence - 3.3
McDowell - 3.7
DNP - Furphy

Ours:
G Wagner - 14.0 (4.8 APG)
Sheppard - 8.5 (5.8 APG)
G Reeves - 23.0
F Edwards - 14.5
F Mitchell - 14.5

Thiero - 7.5
Dillingham - 5.5
Burks - 4.3
DNP - Onyenso, Bradshaw, Ivisic

 

[Tampa_cat54]

Looks like Kansas closed out the trip with the following scoring averages:

G Harris - 9.0 PPG (6.7 APG)

Best PG in America. What a performance. Early front-runner for NPOY I'd say @Nooneputsbabyinacorner

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Have Kansas fans just completely forgotten that their #1 seed last year bowed out in the same round that we did? You just lost to some team in the bahamas. I'm not saying you should be concerned (although we would be here), but at least just go into hiding after all this. I certainly wouldn't be on a rival teams forum, thats for sure.

But then again.. it IS Kansas fans lol.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

No fan base on Earth has the inferiority complex of Kansas. If you've ever been to Phog Allen (I have) and seen those gignatic banners for totally fake championships in 1922 and 1923, awarded by a California bread company as a promotion in the 1960s and of no significance whatsoever, you'd understand it.

Why are they here? Desperate for some kind of validation and approval from Kentucky.

Agreed, it's so weird. If I'm being impartial.. Kansas DID have a nice year or two to brag recently. Kentucky was down, they won a title, they added more wins. But now now. Not after bowing out to an 8-seed, and now losing to some island team that we beat by 24.

It must have been all that pent up rage from 2009 to 2020 hahaha.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

Kansas fans are definitely the most insecure of the blue bloods, that's for sure.

 

[UK90]

Not after bowing out to an 8-seed, and now losing to some island team that we beat by 24.

We have never played that team, much less "beat by 24." And it's not just "some island team", instead it's the Bahamian national team that they're sending to the Olympic qualifiers this month ...a roster that includes NBA veterans.

It is a significantly higher level of competition than we've faced on our summer trips. It's just disengenous to pretend otherwise.

 

[UK_born_z_bread]

Any update on what day in August that Antonio Reeves is leaving? You posted that a dozen times, and when anyone challenged you, you cited some brick somewhere and a source who'd been correct 1,000 times as proof. (I don't think changing a letter or two in your board name and starting over is fooling anyone.)

It's going to be a blow when that happens, no doubt about it.

Lions do not concern themselves with the opinions of sheep.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

We have never played that team, much less "beat by 24." And it's not just "some island team", instead it's the Bahamian national team that they're sending to the Olympic qualifiers this month ...a roster that includes NBA veterans.

It is a significantly higher level of competition than we've faced on our summer trips. It's just disengenous to pretend otherwise.

Highlights, box score and MVP from Wildcats’ win over Bahamas National Team

Antonio Reeves’ hot shooting was the surge Kentucky needed in the second half of Sunday’s game.

www.aseaofblue.com

Kansas' exhibition streak snapped by Bahamas

Kansas had its 35-game exhibition winning streak in men's basketball snapped Monday by the Bahamian national team, which got big performances from NBA stars Buddy Hield and Eric Gordon.

www.espn.com

Aside from different rosters.. what am I missing here? They both played the Bahama's National Team.
It's also worth noting that several of these NBA players didn't actual play. And when they did it was limited minutes.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

@UK90
Here's some tidbits on your Kansas' team's loss (I'm really tired of you trying to say you're a Kentucky fan, when 90% of all you do is just shit on UK fans and play contrarian like a douchehbag)

KU Sports

Given another chance at the Kansas men’s basketball team Monday in Puerto Rico, the Bahamian national team accomplished what it could not two days earlier and finished off the Jayhawks. With KU trailing 82-80 in the final minutes, Hunter Dickinson and Kevin McCullar Jr. misfired once apiece and...

www2.kusports.com

The Bahamas claimed an 87-81 victory, maintaining its halftime margin even as its NBA star guards Buddy Hield and Eric Gordon sat out the fourth quarter, and without center Deandre Ayton taking the floor at all.

Gordon added 12 points

This clearly wasn't some game that these "NBA stars" were trying to win, if they didn't even play the 4th quarter in a close game. Of course this is a better team than what we played, no one is denying that.. but Kansas still lost, and it's not like Kentucky barely got by against a lesser team. We won by, as I said, 24 points. Hield and Gordon, playing at probably half capacity, and with limited minutes, isn't worth a 30pt differential. Freaking Eric Gordon is probably one year away from retirement.

Just go make a Kansas account already, or whatever team you're a fan of.

 

[Creed Bratton]

Morris and Harris will eat his lunch. Morris was the number 1 pg in his class and top 15 and played behind 3 of the best guards in college basketball last year. Harris will be the best point guard in college next year, much like he was last year.

 

[UK90]

Aside from different rosters.. what am I missing here? They both played the Bahama's National Team.

Umm ...don't ya think the "different rosters" kinda matters?

If you beat the JV team it doesn't mean you also beat the varsity simply because the name on the front of the jersey is the same. This group represents the very best they've got, as it's the one they're using to for their run at the Olympics. That was not the case last year.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Umm ...don't ya think the "different rosters" kinda matters?

If you beat the JV team it doesn't mean you also beat the varsity simply because the name on the front of the jersey is the same. This group represents the very best they've got, as it's the one they're using to for their run at the Olympics. That was not the case last year.

The 4th quarter featured no NBA guys of note. Gordon and Hield were on the bench, and Ayton didn't play at all. The rest of the roster doesn't look noticeably different than what we played, in terms of sheer talent. There's even a few guys still on the team it seems, from the one we played.

This wasn't like Kentucky played Lipscomb and Kansas played Duke. Kansas played the same "club" (which you said otherwise), which had a few extra NBA players, who were sort of playing, sort of not playing.

Of course this is a better team because of that. But was Eric Gordon's 12 point performance enough to make up a 30 point differential between Kentucky and Kansas? No, I dont think so. Kansas still lost 16 to 18 in the 4th quarter when none of these NBA guys even played.

 

[UKAlum88]

I’m not gonna lie, it’s kinda cute that Kansas fans seek our validation.

And the guy that said he donates to UK has completely made my day!! 😂😂😂 Joined 3 seconds ago after his Kansas handle probably got banned. 🤣

 

[UK90]

The 4th quarter featured no NBA guys of note. Gordon and Hield were on the bench, and Ayton didn't play at all. The rest of the roster doesn't look noticeably different than what we played, in terms of sheer talent. There's even a few guys still on the team it seems, from the one we played.

This wasn't like Kentucky played Lipscomb and Kansas played Duke. Kansas played the same "club" (which you said otherwise), which had a few extra NBA players, who were sort of playing, sort of not playing.

Of course this is a better team because of that. But was Eric Gordon's 12 point performance enough to make up a 30 point differential between Kentucky and Kansas? No, I dont think so. Kansas still lost 16 to 18 in the 4th quarter when none of these NBA guys even played.

I suggest you take a look at the box scores of the two games, because it thoroughly discredits your claims. The difference is NOT just the addition of the NBA guys like Eric Gordon and Buddy Hield, instead this is a TOTALLY different team from top to bottom than the one we played. Even the non-NBA names are different.

We played their B team, whereas this is their A team. It's silly to pretend like they're the same thing.