Kansas playing in Puerto Rico

[LineSkiCat14]

I suggest you take a look at the box scores of the two games, because it thoroughly discredits your claims. The difference is NOT just the addition of the NBA guys like Eric Gordon and Buddy Hield, instead this is a TOTALLY different team from top to bottom than the one we played. Even the non-NBA names are different. The only thing similar about the two teams is name on the front of the jersey.

We played their B team, whereas this is their A team. It's silly to pretend like they're the same thing.

Let's take a look at this A-team you're so giddy over:

Franco Miller - 3ppg at Florida Gulf Coast
AJ Storr - 8ppg for St. Johns
Travis Munnings - 15ppg for Louisiana Monroe
Jaraun Burrows - 13ppg at Purdue-Ft. Wayne

.. and heres this B-team that we played

Kino Burros = Jaraun Burrows as far as I can tell.. so thats one player we both played.
Kentwan Smith - we both played
Rony JR Cadot - 9ppg at TCU
Danrad Knowles - 10ppg for Houston

I'm stopping there, because it's pretty clear you just ran with fellow Kansas fans who actually think this years Bahamas team is somehow drastically different than who we played. It's a collection of lesser known college basketball journeymen (ours actually played at some decent schools, fwiw).. and this years team just happened to have an extra NBA star.. that sometimes played.

This isn't an A-team vs B-team when you look at it.. It's a MAC School vs a Sunbelt school that has 34-year old Eric Gordon for 2 quarters.. lmfao.

 

[kybballcrazy]

Thanks! I wonder what they can get away with in Puerto Rico.

Looks like a loss. Lol

 

[kybballcrazy]

The chicken squaks lost. Always a good day when that happens!!! Lol

 

[Fox2monk]

He had 9 assists in that terrible game and when we play he'll be the only point guard on the floor with a national title.

Ok… so a national title he played little part in makes him the best? Dude had 2 points and 3 assists in 27 minutes in that game. Doesn’t sound like the best PG in the country to me. If he was then why is he still in school?

 

[UK90]

Kino Burros = Jaraun Burrows as far as I can tell.. so thats one player we both played.
Kentwan Smith - we both played

OK, so there's a total of two players on both rosters …is that correct?

If so, then I'd say that just reinforces my original point. It's silly to claim that a team that added TEN new players to a 12 man roster ...including seasoned NBA vets like Buddy Hield and Eric Gordon ...is the same team we played last year. If a rival fan made such a claim you'd mock its absurdity.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Go on a KU message board and tell them IU would be 7 point favorites if you all played in November. Come report the feedback when you're done.

KU is preseason #1 for some-----Top 5 across the board. IU is nowhere near the Top 25. WTF would I do that?

IF IU had the dudes, pre-season ranking that KU has, then it wouldn't be that far fetched.

 

[Fox2monk]

Let's take a look at this A-team you're so giddy over:

Franco Miller - 3ppg at Florida Gulf Coast
AJ Storr - 8ppg for St. Johns
Travis Munnings - 15ppg for Louisiana Monroe
Jaraun Burrows - 13ppg at Purdue-Ft. Wayne

.. and heres this B-team that we played

Kino Burros = Jaraun Burrows as far as I can tell.. so thats one player we both played.
Kentwan Smith - we both played
Rony JR Cadot - 9ppg at TCU
Danrad Knowles - 10ppg for Houston

I'm stopping there, because it's pretty clear you just ran with fellow Kansas fans who actually think this years Bahamas team is somehow drastically different than who we played. It's a collection of lesser known college basketball journeymen (ours actually played at some decent schools, fwiw).. and this years team just happened to have an extra NBA star.. that sometimes played.

This isn't an A-team vs B-team when you look at it.. It's a MAC School vs a Sunbelt school that has 34-year old Eric Gordon for 2 quarters.. lmfao.

So who all from the NBA who was legit players played? And how long. What I have gathered is that Buddy Hield and Gordan both played but only half the game?

 

[UK_born_z_bread]

I’m not gonna lie, it’s kinda cute that Kansas fans seek our validation.

And the guy that said he donates to UK has completely made my day!! 😂😂😂 Joined 3 seconds ago after his Kansas handle probably got banned. 🤣

Are you talking about me? If so, K Fund Member Number 6008955. What’s yours?

 

[Montana81]

Kansas is going to be good again.

@UK90
Here's some tidbits on your Kansas' team's loss (I'm really tired of you trying to say you're a Kentucky fan, when 90% of all you do is just shit on UK fans and play contrarian like a douchehbag)

KU Sports

Given another chance at the Kansas men’s basketball team Monday in Puerto Rico, the Bahamian national team accomplished what it could not two days earlier and finished off the Jayhawks. With KU trailing 82-80 in the final minutes, Hunter Dickinson and Kevin McCullar Jr. misfired once apiece and...

www2.kusports.com

The Bahamas claimed an 87-81 victory, maintaining its halftime margin even as its NBA star guards Buddy Hield and Eric Gordon sat out the fourth quarter, and without center Deandre Ayton taking the floor at all.

Gordon added 12 points

This clearly wasn't some game that these "NBA stars" were trying to win, if they didn't even play the 4th quarter in a close game. Of course this is a better team than what we played, no one is denying that.. but Kansas still lost, and it's not like Kentucky barely got by against a lesser team. We won by, as I said, 24 points. Hield and Gordon, playing at probably half capacity, and with limited minutes, isn't worth a 30pt differential. Freaking Eric Gordon is probably one year away from retirement.

Just go make a Kansas account already, or whatever team you're a fan of.

The competition in that bahamas event is never good. Guys are more concerned about getting back to the beach. The only teams actually trying are the college teams that go because those players are all still trying to make a name and career for themselves. But it means nothing to the “pros”. They’re there for vacation.

We’ve been to that event 3 times and the only team i ever thought looked like they gave a damn was the puerto rican team that beat us in 2014 and i think Orlando Antigua was coaching them and they also wanted to prove something after we whipped them the first game.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

OK, so there's a total of two players on both rosters …is that correct?

If so, then I'd say that just reinforces my original point. It's silly to claim that a team that added TEN new players to a 12 man roster ...including seasoned NBA vets like Buddy Hield and Eric Gordon ...is the same team we played last year. If a rival fan made such a claim you'd mock its absurdity.

Honestly I think there's a few more that played in both games. But we know it's at least 2.. and those two were more of the prominent players, not just 5 mpg guys.

I wouldn't be bragging about losing to a Bahamas team. And I sure wouldn't be trying to compare the two rosters with the angle that one is that much better than the other. Because aside from the inclusion of Hield and Gordon, can anyone really say this year's Bahama National team is any better? Because I see guys on low majors on that team, where the team we played had guys on actual major programs.

Like others have said.. it's still the Bahamas National Team at the end of the day. Half the NBA guys didn't play at all, the other half played like 20min. And again, Bahamas outscored Kansas without ANY of those NBA guys in the 4th quarter

 

[Ndub21ku]

And Eric Gordon’s +\- was -5, so Bahamas played worse the 20 minutes he played. Not to mention Bahamas outscored Kansas 18-16 in the fourth quarter in which neither Gordon or Hield played at all.

Homers will homer but in reality a team of bench players and mid major 4th and 5th options beat Kansas. Yes it’s cool that two seasoned NBA guys played with those guys as well but either way overall the Bahamas team isn’t any better than the teams we’ve played in the past in similar games. Kansas isn’t a world beater this year, are they top 15-20 sure; but nothing more.

This guy really typed all of this out to go 0/7 on his takes. Buddy Hield, Eric Gordon, 2 European pros, and AJ Storr. It. Is. Not. Hard. To. Do. Research. You have not and will never play that level of competition. You guys play D2 level kids that are 19 years old.

 

[Ndub21ku]

OK, so there's a total of two players on both rosters …is that correct?

If so, then I'd say that just reinforces my original point. It's silly to claim that a team that added TEN new players to a 12 man roster ...including seasoned NBA vets like Buddy Hield and Eric Gordon ...is the same team we played last year. If a rival fan made such a claim you'd mock its absurdity.

Wow a Kentucky fan that actually knows something! This was their A TEAM who’s going to qualify for the Olympics next week. The team you guys played had 1 (ONE) of the same players.

 

[UKAlum88]

Are you talking about me? If so, K Fund Member Number 6008955. What’s yours?

Post a pic with proof, blocking out vital info of course and in the pic write UKAlum on a piece of paper and I’ll PayPal you $1,000. This always shuts liars up.

 

[-BBH-]

Do not think Kansas will be the best team in the country come March. Not sure they're even the best team heading into the season.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

Do not think Kansas will be the best team in the country come March. Not sure they're even the best team heading into the season.

I completely agree.

I think they are so incredibly overrated going into this year.

 

[-BBH-]

They have some key pieces back, but they were not elite last year. Adding Dickinson will help, but this will be a very beatable team.

I get it, you have to put someone No 1, but I think there will be better teams out there by tournament time.

 

[Padsfs07]

Where do you think you are? Are you dyslexic and misplace the “U” and “K” when googling message boards for your basketball team?

This is a UK anonymous basketball message board. I’m not sure what you were expecting, but we are not kind to our rivals here.

Do you also go swimming in shark infested water and complain when you get bit?

I noticed that the 247 Kansas board has an active "rupp rafters" thread that is 138 pages. I assume the KU posters all come from there.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I noticed that the 247 Kansas board has an active "rupp rafters" thread that is 138 pages. I assume the KU posters all come from there.

Most pathetic thing I've ever heard. But so on brand for Kansas fans lmfao.

 

[STL_Cat]

Be honest guys, if UK were playing against a team with Eric Gordon and Buddy Hield you wouldn’t be falling all over yourselves to act like that is meaningless. Just admit it to yourselves at least.

 

[bbncal02]

Be honest guys, if UK were playing against a team with Eric Gordon and Buddy Hield you wouldn’t be falling all over yourselves to act like that is meaningless. Just admit it to yourselves at least.

Hield is a good pro, but Gordon? Eh....he's pretty average.

He's been in the league for 15 years. He's probably close to hanging it up. The man has one all star appearance and that was 13 years ago.

 

[STL_Cat]

Hield is a good pro, but Gordon? Eh....he's pretty average.

He's been in the league for 15 years. He's probably close to hanging it up.

He's still an NBA player and has been a pretty good one. We should admit that we would be blowing that up as a big deal as well, if not we show zero self awareness

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Be honest guys, if UK were playing against a team with Eric Gordon and Buddy Hield you wouldn’t be falling all over yourselves to act like that is meaningless. Just admit it to yourselves at least.

I MAY make something of it.. if the end results weren't so drastically different. Like if Kansas beat them by 16, with our win being by 24.. ok, maybe that's a little more impressive. But Kansas lost by 7 or whatever. It was a 30-point difference.

Hey, if Kentucky goes and plays the NBA Allstars and loses by 56, do we get to claim that victory? That's kind of how I feel about Kansas losing to Hield and Gordon, who again, didn't play the 4th quarter, a quarter in which Kansas lost 16 to 18.

Edit: I also think my post above on the rosters has yet to be refuted. We played several of the same players and I dont see anything to suggest the remaining players (after hield or Gordon) were any bit better.

 

[bbncal02]

He's still an NBA player and has been a pretty good one. We should admit that we would be blowing that up as a big deal as well, if not we show zero self awareness

Would we really though? When we have major dudes like Davis and Towns and Fox? Eh. I really don't think so. Especially if we lost, holy crap would we be pissy.

 

[STL_Cat]

I'm just saying, eff Kansas and all that, not many teams out there I dislike more than KU. But I know fans and our fans would be beating chests over competing with a team with Hield and Gordon. Self-awareness is important.

 

[bbncal02]

I MAY make something of it.. if the end results weren't so drastically different. Like if Kansas beat them by 16, with our win being by 24.. ok, maybe that's a little more impressive. But Kansas lost by 7 or whatever. It was a 30-point difference.

Hey, if Kentucky goes and plays the NBA Allstars and loses by 56, do we get to claim that victory? That's kind of how I feel about Kansas losing to Hield and Gordon, who again, didn't play the 4th quarter, a quarter in which Kansas lost 16 to 18.

Not to mention Gordan and Heild didn't play the 4th quarter. And Gordon only played two quarters of the first one.

I'm not downplaying it a lot, but if Ayton had been out there? Ok, that's a lot more impressive.

 

[STL_Cat]

Would we really though? When we have major dudes like Davis and Towns and Fox? Eh. I really don't think so. Especially if we lost, holy crap would we be pissy.

How do the great players we currently have in the NBA have anything to do with how we would feel about our current college players playing against NBA dudes. Conflating those two things doesn't even make sense.

 

[bbncal02]

I'm just saying, eff Kansas and all that, not many teams out there I dislike more than KU. But I know fans and our fans would be beating chests over competing with a team with Hield and Gordon. Self-awareness is important.

But would we though? I just don't think we would, especially with a loss.

 

[bbncal02]

How do the great players we currently have in the NBA have anything to do with how we would feel about our current college players playing against NBA dudes. Conflating those two things doesn't even make sense.

Sure it does. It absolutely does. If you're going up against dudes like Towns and Fox, that's a lot more impressive. It's about quality of competition. KU's wasn't all that impressive. Again, had Ayton played, that would have been something to brag about. Heild was the best player out there, and he didn't even play a full game. And KU still lost.

 

[STL_Cat]

Sure it does. It absolutely does. If you're going up against dudes like Towns and Fox, that's a lot more impressive. It's about quality of competition. KU's wasn't all that impressive. Again, had Ayton played, that would have been something to brag about.

Well, agree to disagree (but you're wrong 😜). Whether or not it IS something to brag about, many here absolutely would have.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I'm just saying, eff Kansas and all that, not many teams out there I dislike more than KU. But I know fans and our fans would be beating chests over competing with a team with Hield and Gordon. Self-awareness is important.

I'm sure there's some exceptions. But yeah, with a loss, I'm not sure what we'd be bragging about.

And that whole thing felt kind of gimmicky on Kansas' part anyways. Feels like they inserted some aging NBA stars (who by no means, are bums at the college level), into more or less the same team we played, as some sort of one-up type of play.

I guess personally, I'd rather we beat the Bahamas team by 24pts, than lost to the Bahamas team+Hield by 8.

 

[STL_Cat]

I'm sure there's some exceptions. But yeah, with a loss, I'm not sure what we'd be bragging about.

And that whole thing felt kind of gimmicky on Kansas' part anyways. Feels like they inserted some aging NBA stars (who by no means, are bums at the college level), into more or less the same team we played, as some sort of one-up type of play.

I guess personally, I'd rather we beat the Bahamas team by 24pts, than lost to the Bahamas team+Hield by 8.

Now I would need to look at the rosters, but I saw somewhere that it was definitely not just the "same team + Hield." You might be able to show me the rosters and prove me wrong on that though as I haven't fact checked that.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

And with these Bahamas games, I don't think there's any "win". We saw that 40pt wins meant nothing for Kentucky last year. I've learned there's no amount you can beat these island teams by that will really tell you anything.

.. But you can sure "lose" these games. And just because you added Hield to the team for 20 minutes.. you still lost to 12 other guys who were barely D1 College players themselves. I don't think that's a good thing. I don't see why the Rutgers roster or the Iona roster couldn't do the same to Kansas

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Now I would need to look at the rosters, but I saw somewhere that it was definitely not just the "same team + Hield." You might be able to show me the rosters and prove me wrong on that though as I haven't fact checked that.

Oh yeah, check a bit further up. I started to outline the rosters.. It turns out we played 2 of the same guys (I think 3, but it was tough without first names)..

And Kansas' Bahamas opponent had guys from mid-low majors.. where as we played a guy from Houston and someone from TCU. NOT that I think those guys are better, but instead, there's no way to say one roster (again minus the appearance of Hield and Gordon) was any way better than the other.

Both teams, honestly.. don't look all that great.

 

[bbncal02]

Now I would need to look at the rosters, but I saw somewhere that it was definitely not just the "same team + Hield." You might be able to show me the rosters and prove me wrong on that though as I haven't fact checked that.

Gordon, Hield and Ayton were the only current NBA guys that were there I believe. Ayton didn't play.

The Bahamas (87): Hield 7-13, 0-0, 19; Gordon 5-11, 0-0, 12; Miller 3-7, 5-6, 12; Storr 5-11, 0-0, 11; Nesbitt 3-7, 4-4, 10; Burrows 3-6, 3-4, 9; Munnings 2-5, 2-2, 7; Smith 2-4, 0-0, 5; Nairn 1-1, 0-0, 2. Totals: 31-69, 14-16, 87.


Here was ours:

Not the exact same dudes, but pretty similar it seems.

 

[bbncal02]

And with these Bahamas games, I don't think there's any "win". We saw that 40pt wins meant nothing for Kentucky last year. I've learned there's no amount you can beat these island teams by that will really tell you anything.

.. But you can sure "lose" these games. And just because you added Hield to the team for 20 minutes.. you still lost to 12 other guys who were barely D1 College players themselves. I don't think that's a good thing. I don't see why the Rutgers roster or the Iona roster couldn't do the same to Kansas

That wasn't the same team by year's end for sure. Between whatever drama went on, Cal stall ball, CJ being banged up, etc. We weren't the same team by a long shot. We had regressed, especially by February.

 

[STL_Cat]

Gordon, Hield and Ayton were the only current NBA guys that were there I believe. Ayton didn't play.

The Bahamas (87): Hield 7-13, 0-0, 19; Gordon 5-11, 0-0, 12; Miller 3-7, 5-6, 12; Storr 5-11, 0-0, 11; Nesbitt 3-7, 4-4, 10; Burrows 3-6, 3-4, 9; Munnings 2-5, 2-2, 7; Smith 2-4, 0-0, 5; Nairn 1-1, 0-0, 2. Totals: 31-69, 14-16, 87.


Here was ours:

Not the exact same dudes, but pretty similar it seems.

Well, I think we would all be lying if we acted like we knew the difference between any of the guys on the team we played and the guys on this team (that aren't NBA players), We have no idea.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Well, I think we would all be lying if we acted like we knew the difference between any of the guys on the team we played and the guys on this team (that aren't NBA players), We have no idea.

And I think thats kind of the (my) point. You look at these two rosters and I see no reason to believe one is better than the other, other than including Hield and Gordon.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

And what's very odd, is that not only did Kansas fans try to tell us how much better their opponent was (without and info supporting it).. we had a supposed Kentucky fan try and do the same, and in a pretty flippant manner no less.

It wasn't until I dug deeper to look at the rosters, did we realize "wait a second..".

 

[STL_Cat]

And what's very odd, is that not only did Kansas fans try to tell us how much better their opponent was (without and info supporting it).. we had a supposed Kentucky fan try and do the same, and in a pretty flippant manner no less.

It wasn't until I dug deeper to look at the rosters, did we realize "wait a second..".

Well I haven't read the whole thread but I hope you aren't talking about me here. All I was saying is many people here would have been doing the same thing if we had played a team with Eric Gordon and Buddy Hield.

 

[Padsfs07]

Be honest guys, if UK were playing against a team with Eric Gordon and Buddy Hield you wouldn’t be falling all over yourselves to act like that is meaningless. Just admit it to yourselves at least.

I thought it was cool that Memphis got to play against Quinones, a guy that played for them just 3 years ago.

It would be something to get a group of NBA-level former Cats and get a hard-played scrimmage like Cyril got in the TBT for instance.