But, but, but - the market place; other than UT, didn't want him, Brian. That means he can't be a better option than Stoops because we're UK and have the same options as FSU and UF.
I’m definitely missing BD’s point with that argument.
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But, but, but - the market place; other than UT, didn't want him, Brian. That means he can't be a better option than Stoops because we're UK and have the same options as FSU and UF.
Don't bust an organ during the Holidays.
But they looked awful. A couple of Leach lovers are really going apoplectic.Can you imagine the threads on this board had WSU looked respectable against MSU last night?
Don't bust an organ during the Holidays.
So. Injuries limited Leach's options for WSU's bowl? If UK loses today, will you come back and discuss the impact of injuries to Mosier, Baker, Conrad plus Haynes' illness on Stoops' options? I am inclined to doubt that, because your mind is already made up, and that means you will not change it. But if Leach is such a great coach, how come no other P5 school hired him this year, when 11 P5 head coaching jobs were open? With 11 jobs open, you would think someone would want Leach if he is as good as you say.
Of course you are. P5 athletics directors can't possibly understand the coaching marketplace as well as you and RonEJones.I’m definitely missing BD’s point with that argument.
But they looked awful. A couple of Leach lovers are really going apoplectic.
So. Injuries limited Leach's options for WSU's bowl? If UK loses today, will you come back and discuss the impact of injuries to Mosier, Baker, Conrad plus Haynes' illness on Stoops' options? I am inclined to doubt that, because your mind is already made up, and that means you will not change it. But if Leach is such a great coach, how come no other P5 school hired him this year, when 11 P5 head coaching jobs were open? With 11 jobs open, you would think someone would want Leach if he is as good as you say.
Of course you are. P5 athletics directors can't possibly understand the coaching marketplace as well as you and RonEJones.
And they didn’t want Stoops either.
So....?
Come to think of it this the only HC category these guys are equal in... neither were offered a job by the schools you mentioned.
I guess you can count that as a win for Stoops....
Listen Barney, your argument is stupid.
You love to come across as the smartest guy on the board and that’s why many don’t like you.
No one EVER said Leach was great, just better than Stoops today.
That’s it.
Him not getting offered means nothing, how much help do you need?
Your head is so far up Mitch’s ass I’m surprised you can see to even read these posts.
I thought they looked awful so if you are putting words into my mouth you will just look dumb again.
They were less awful than us versus UL so I’m not sure why you guys are pumping your chests out.
So ... So this, you and others repeatedly act as if UK has a bad coach and Leach is an upper echelon coach who “actually wanted to be here.” Whether he did or not is irrelevant, he is not an upper echelon coach. He is a fine coach who has had really nice moments, but has also had real bonehead moments as a coach. The relevance of Leach on this board comes from you and posters like you. If the Leach Dreamers did not exist, we would have a discussion about last night’s game that resembles most non-UK discussions. More observation than opinion.
The fact is that you pine for a coach who is not seen by others outside of this population as the coach you claim him to be. I would have the same response if you continually posted that Tubberville wanted to come to UK and we could have Tubberville right now if we wanted him. So....?
Now, whether it is your love of Leach or your hatred of Stoops, or some combination of the two, I truly don’t know (if this is about Mitch, I know the answer with you), but you align yourself with the RonE’s of the world to make your point and that guy’s point is that UK sucks and cannot expect ever to have a better coach than Mike Leach, even though we know Leach is not a great coach. We should be settling for Leach rather than settling for Stoops. Woo Hoo!!!! (If we had Mike Leach as a coach and this thread was about Stoops doing well someplace else, I would have the same response)
If there was evidence that Saban wanted to come to UK, I would never respond to the Saban Dreamers. But, Leach has skills Stoops has not displayed and Stoops has skills that Leach has not displayed. They both have good wins and they both have real clunkers. It would be a lateral move and a move right now would be stupid.
So, take your lumps when Leach has another bad night, because we all expect you and others to be all Leach Pumpy when he again has a nice moment on the field.
UT did not "hire" Leach. UT fired John Currie for opening negotiations with Leach. Currie wasn't fired immediately over Schiano. But he was immediately fired for pursuing Leach. That's damning. Get your facts straight. You are going off on this board without actual facts.If they were lost right before the bowl game, leaving Stoops only a few weeks to prepare, I'll give him a pass. Deal?
UT hired him. He was fired for the Schiano cluster prior to be able to seal the deal. Part of the Fulmer plan. Nothing to do with Leach. Are you going to continue to spout that false narrative to make Stoops look better?
And, your head explodes.
And, your head explodes.
UT did not "hire" Leach. UT fired John Currie for opening negotiations with Leach. That's damning. Get your facts straight. You are going off on this board without any actual facts.
Speaking of arrogance, I wonder how many people here know the real story Brian. I won't get all the way into it, since that isn't necessary. But when you accuse others of arrogance, you are leaving a lot out.This is true, this guy’s arrogance is awful, and mostly to others. I can debate with anyone here and have since 2001 but....
Speaking of arrogance, I wonder how many people here know the real story Brian. I won't get all the way into it, since that isn't necessary. But when you accuse others of arrogance, you are leaving a lot out.
This is true, this guy’s arrogance is awful, and mostly to others. I can debate with anyone here and have since 2001 but....
I am not a Stoops critic or a Stoops advocate. I just want bowl games, better classes, year over year program improvement.
Can you explain it to me once you get back from that safe space?
Every poster knows about me, you aren’t breaking any news Nancy Grace.
You are an arrogant ass, it’s been said multiple times by multiple posters. Your elitism and superiority attitude is comical. But maybe we are all wrong?
And you know who I am because I use my real name, talk smack but stay hidden behind that username of yours....
Amen.
When Brooks was under attack from the clueless, they had a field day trying to bring UK down, but Brooks was the right man to attempt to dig us out and their voices were silenced for a while when he demonstrated that fact. Now, those same voices or many like them are trying to thwart improvement by continually harping on the negative (and the negative exists, no doubt, but must be viewed in a proper context by fans). And, if they do not know they are doing that, they are simply ignorant. If Stoops fails, we will see it. That is clearly not now. These posters would have tossed Beamer early and VTech’s reputation and history would likely be vastly less significant. While there is improvement at UK from the dumpster fire we saw at the end of the Joker era, we need to be patient and see where Stoops can take us. If we see backsliding or a sustained plateau, re-evaluation will be understandable.
While I think UK could have won more games this year, I remain amazed that UK can lose a Boom, Badet, Mosier, Haynes, Toth, Baker, and others off last year’s offense and still win 7 games and go to a bowl. That just would not happen under past regimes. It is an aberration in our history and one to appreciate.
But, if I was a UL fan who did not want the improvement to continue, I would join the litany of Leach Dreamers and Stoops bashers to discourage and hopefully thwart. And, if I was a UK fan who wanted more, I would not want to support that sentiment.
I don’t think I could explain it so that you would understand.
So are you accusing me wanting to thwart our team’s progress?
I’m a UL fan?
Just because I think Leach is a better coach?
Really?
So. Injuries limited Leach's options for WSU's bowl? If UK loses today, will you come back and discuss the impact of injuries to Mosier, Baker, Conrad plus Haynes' illness on Stoops' options? I am inclined to doubt that, because your mind is already made up, and that means you will not change it. But if Leach is such a great coach, how come no other P5 school hired him this year, when 11 P5 head coaching jobs were open? With 11 jobs open, you would think someone would want Leach if he is as good as you say.
So you have no idea and are just throwing things against the wall and hoping for the best? Okay, gotcha!
Of course you are. P5 athletics directors can't possibly understand the coaching marketplace as well as you and RonEJones.
UT did not "hire" Leach. UT fired John Currie for opening negotiations with Leach. Currie wasn't fired immediately over Schiano. But he was immediately fired for pursuing Leach. That's damning. Get your facts straight. You are going off on this board without actual facts.
Oh, you are quite the fragile snowflake. LOL
stools is 'no dimensional'Leach will never coach here, ever. He’s one dimensional and that’s never going to work in the sec anyway. Why you Leach defenders get so tore up over a coach you’ll never have as a UK fan is fascinating, to what end? You guys build him up to a demi god, so don’t get all hurt when he gets torn down for not living up to it.
stools is 'no dimensional'
So are you accusing me of wanting to thwart our team’s progress?
I’m a UL fan?
Just because I think Leach is a better coach?
Really?
If you listen, you may be able to sit at the adult table with the rest of us.
You know who talks about children and adult tables? Old ladies and children.
With the bean counter, non-risk taking AD we have, you may be right for once in your life.
Stoops is one of only coaches attainable by UK who can take a garbage team in a good conference and consistently win. Your type exaggerates the stereo type like we think he’s Nick Saban. He has his flaws but would win here.
Instead we are stuck with Stoops.
Really? Kinda like Saban who didn't light the world on fire his first couple of years? Or Frank Beamer his first 7 or 8 years? Yeah, Big foot and coaching is two different things. Not even a good comparison at all.Same way people know Bigfoot is fake. It’s called common sense.
How do you know Stoops won't?
So the players had nothing to do with it? The other team.had nothing to do with it? Gotcha. Again, those who lack knowledge always blame the coach. Wake up. This isn't video games. Do you blame yourself when you call a great play on your video game and the player fumbles or drops the pass? Just curious.No, what I’m saying is UK had plenty of chances and if we had a good coach it would have happened.