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Xception pumps Stoops, thinks UK sucks in football and can't do any better than we do, but craps on a guy like leech who is 10x the coach Stoops is.

I had to put his obnoxious crap on ignore, took it off, read the thread and put him back on. He does nothing but contradict himself.

As you probably read, he went absolutely nuts screaming rape, rape, rape in this thread. The sadder part is that folks were giving those posts likes.

I can't believe the way mentioning Leach's name triggers so many of these Sunshine Pumpers. Not guys like merimamm but in regard to Blue Decade, Caveman Cat, Xception.... wowza!

Cavie is actually following me around to other threads trying to pick fights. It's like fatal attraction.
 
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So the players had nothing to do with it? The other team.had nothing to do with it? Gotcha. Again, those who lack knowledge always blame the coach. Wake up. This isn't video games. Do you blame yourself when you call a great play on your video game and the player fumbles or drops the pass? Just curious.

Coach recruits and develops the players. If they are coached up and put in a position to succeed but can't execute, the coach has recruited the wrong guys and it's definitely on him. If they have the ability but haven't been properly put in a position to be successful, it's on him.

He's the CEO of the program. The buck starts and stops with him.
 
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No AD at an established program is going to hire Leach,right or wrong the bad publicity he received from the tool shed incident makes him a PR nightmare. and he doesn't do himself any favors when a mic is put in front of him. He comes off as more of a sideshow that the face of a program.
 
No AD at an established program is going to hire Leach,right or wrong the bad publicity he received from the tool shed incident makes him a PR nightmare. and he doesn't do himself any favors when a mic is put in front of him. He comes off as more of a sideshow that the face of a program.

What negative publicity are you talking about? Can't seem to rememer WSU getting put on blast.

As far as him in front of a mic, it's awesome. Sportcenter had a piece on him yesterday and how he's outspoken about a deal of topics and they were laughing with him, not at him. The host even mentioned that he just signed a $4M a year extension and that he's worth every penny when referencing his work at WSU.

Take your UGA FB goggles off for a sec. We are UK football - which is a lot like UGA bball, a traditionally garbage program. We can't be picky and need to take calculated chances. Leach isn't coming here - I get it, but he'd be a great hire for where we are at this time.
 
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No AD at an established program is going to hire Leach,right or wrong the bad publicity he received from the tool shed incident makes him a PR nightmare. and he doesn't do himself any favors when a mic is put in front of him. He comes off as more of a sideshow that the face of a program.
doesn't the fact than an AD at an established P5 program already hired him since the episode you cite make your claim false?
 
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Because he can't coach defense at UK, can't coach offense at all, has handcuffed his OC's (3 different guys - same results 5 years in with his recruits), is not prepared, choked in big games, has not shown anything in 5 years that points to him being special, etc. Not to mention he had the easiest schedule of my lifetime and only pulled out 7 wins.

Do you have any evidence supporting that he will win 9 one day?
1. The guy didn't just forget how to coach defense. He is the head coach now, not the DC.
2. He has not handcuffed his OCs. I know that for a 100% fact.
3. How, at Kentucky, do you go to back to back bowls, back to back 4-4 SEC record that hasn't been done in a long time and only a few times in our history with a 2 star QB who was brought to be a backup with wins over USC FOUR years in a row, Mizzou THREE years in a row (when is the last time we had winning streaks over SEC opponents) UT who we never beat, your rival and ranked UL team on the road with a Heisman winner, a MSU team that has beaten you 10 straight years if you are not prepared?
And what is my evidence he can win 7. See above. He did all of that after taking over the worst D1 roster in football at a traditionally horrific program. His recruiting is the best we have seen here. Oh, and a rather important piece of evidence is that we have NEVER taken a step back under Stoops in the win column. But, don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.
 
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Guy has won 9 regular season games at WSU twice and 5 times total as a BCS HC at a garbage team in a good conference. He's also onw 11 ame once and was contending for the BCS National Championship. Guy is light years ahead of what we have and is a specialist in taking bad teams to new heights in good conferences.

That's the alure.
If you look at TTU before Leach arrived, Dykes led them to a 2nd place conference finish in 8 of his last 9 years there. He and Stoops finished with the exact same conference winning percentage at Texas Tech. He did not take over a bad team.

He also didn’t take WSU to new heights. Mike Price did that by taking Wazoo to 2 Rose Bowls and finishing ranked in the top 10 in 3 of his last 6 seasons in the late 90’s and early 2000’s.

Again, good coach, but the narrative on him being this great coach who took over programs that never had success by some is off base.
 
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And if you two would read the OP it was one of your pumper asses that started the thread not a Leach lover.

(1) the fact this was not started by a Leach Dreamer - DUH!
(2) the fact you say “one of your pumper asses” loses any credibility you brought to the table.

If someone disagrees with you, you resort to the demeaning label, YET you get so huffy when someone does that with you. People who stand against the Stoops bashing are not pumpers, even of you and your ilk so claim. Most just get tired of the incessant rants from the same posters. Watch today. IF things go well, there will be a game thread with people voicing approval. If things go awry, there will be a page full of separate threads bashing Stoops. If being a pumper means I tire of that and the same posters turning every thread into a UK or Stoops bash, then I accept the label. If it means I don’t deal with realities, then those who call me that are the actual pumpers. I have a very realistic view. And, that view does not currently including looking for another coach, not even one better than Leach.
 
Coach recruits and develops the players. If they are coached up and put in a position to succeed but can't execute, the coach has recruited the wrong guys and it's definitely on him. If they have the ability but haven't been properly put in a position to be successful, it's on him.

He's the CEO of the program. The buck starts and starts with him.
Or, you know, the players he recruits are HUMAN and not perfect. Just a thought. Players make mistakes due to that as.much as anything. Michael Jordan missed shots and turned the ball over. Was his coach's fault? She he be fired for playing him? Hell, Benny fumbled a few times. Guess he isn't good enough to play here either. You're right, Stoops needs to recruit kids that are perfect. If they aren't, then they can't play here.
 
That made absolutely no sense. So much so that I gave you a pity "like".

You are obsessed with me. Following me around on other threads like 8th grade girl with a raging crush.

Let's keep our discussions away from positive conversations; shall we? If we want to talk about how bad Stoops is or you get a woody to trash Leach so that you feel better about our situation, then we can smack each other around.

Otherwise, quit stalking, bro.

There is no bigger hypocrite on this board than RonE. Its the one thing on this thread that actually made me laugh out loud.

And, I think you meant “quite stalking.” LOL - not a real laugh out loud, but you will bring that out of me sooner rather than later. Thanks!!!
 
1. The guy didn't just forget how to coach defense. He is the head coach now, not the DC.
2. He has not handcuffed his OCs. I know that for a 100% fact.
3. How, at Kentucky, do you go to back to back bowls, back to back 4-4 SEC record that hasn't been done in a long time and only a few times in our history with a 2 star QB who was brought to be a backup with wins over USC FOUR years in a row, Mizzou THREE years in a row (when is the last time we had winning streaks over SEC opponents) UT who we never beat, your rival and ranked UL team on the road with a Heisman winner, a MSU team that has beaten you 10 straight years if you are not prepared?
And what is my evidence he can win 7. See above. He did all of that after taking over the worst D1 roster in football at a traditionally horrific program. His recruiting is the best we have seen here. Oh, and a rather important piece of evidence is that we have NEVER taken a step back under Stoops in the win column. But, don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.

1. His defenses have been garbage. Not much better than Brown while under Joker (actually Brown may have been statically better) or Major under Mumme. It's 5 years in. If he can't install his system, something is wrong. If he's too stubborn to adjust his system due to not having FSU talent, something is wrong. Bottom line, the defense is bad, has been bad and for the forseeable future is trending to continuing being bad.

It's on him.

2. Every OC he's brought in had a rep for running spread, no huddle, fast offenses. Once at UK, every OC's plays per game are at historic lows and we are a grind it out, Lou Hotlz, 90's Big 10 offense. Coincidence? I think not after having 5 years to build his team.

3. The record is hard to argue but I guess being in a leadership position, I'm always looking into the future. This year was a historically garbage schedule with 9 wins a strong possibility. It won't be like that in the future. Combine that with the close games we pulled out and the way we played against mid-majors, it's more impressive on paper than in person. I see SJ leaving, half of our D gone (some due to early entry), etc. I also see UT getting a new coach, UF getting an upgrade (we couldn't beat them anyway), Vandy recruiting at a better clip, etc. and realize the schedule will get harder fast.

We will see the first drop off next year and I don't have faith he's a special coach who can rectify it nor win at a 6-8 win a year clip.
 
Price competing with WSU in the 90's is nothing like today, where the conference has had major upgrades across the board due to extreme revenue, and it seems wsu is the odd man out. Amazing he's even able to compete the way he has.
 
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If you look at TTU before Stoops arrived, Dykes led them to a 2nd place conference finish in 8 of his last 9 years there. He and Stoops finished with the exact same conference winning percentage at Texas Tech. He did not take over a bad team.

He also didn’t take WSU to new heights. Mike Price did that by taking Wazoo to 2 Rose Bowls and finishing ranked in the top 10 in 3 of his last 6 seasons in the late 90’s and early 2000’s.

Again, good coach, but the narrative on him being this great coach who took over programs that never had success by some is off base.

Dykes had some success at Tech but coming into WSU - it was UK bad. It's been 15 years since Price and they were coming off of a 2-11, 1-11, 2-10 and 4-8 season. Probably worse than the Joker years.
 
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1. His defenses have been garbage. Not much better than Brown while under Joker (actually Brown may have been statically better) or Major under Mumme. It's 5 years in. If he can't install his system, something is wrong. If he's too stubborn to adjust his system due to not having FSU talent, something is wrong. Bottom line, the defense is bad, has been bad and for the forseeable future is trending to continuing being bad.

It's on him.

2. Every OC he's brought in had a rep for running spread, no huddle, fast offenses. Once at UK, every OC's plays per game are at historic lows and we are a grind it out, Lou Hotlz, 90's Big 10 offense. Coincidence? I think not after having 5 years to build his team.

3. The record is hard to argue but I guess being in a leadership position, I'm always looking into the future. This year was a historically garbage schedule with 9 wins a strong possibility. It won't be like that in the future. Combine that with the close games we pulled out and the way we played against mid-majors, it's more impressive on paper than in person. I see SJ leaving, half of our D gone (some due to early entry), etc. I also see UT getting a new coach, UF getting an upgrade (we couldn't beat them anyway), Vandy recruiting at a better clip, etc. and realize the schedule will get harder fast.

We will see the first drop off next year and I don't have faith he's a special coach who can rectify it nor win at a 6-8 win a year clip.
His defense was much better when he took over. But again, as a head coach, he is trying to let his coordinator do the job so he can concentrate on game management and other aspects the head coach needs to worry about.
2. Again, I know for a FACT that he does not mess with his OCs. Only Dawson when he became a complete crap show. The change is pace is due to personnel. A great OC will change to his strengths, not pound square pegs into a round whole.
3. I am in a leadership position as well. Know what I do? I teach and coach kids. To say I have some knowledge of how the situation goes is an understatement. Now, as a coach I claim all the blame. But I do that to help my players relax and work to get better. But at the end of the day, I can't play the game for them. They have to get the job done and do what they were taught. And that doesn't always happen.
 
Really? Kinda like Saban who didn't light the world on fire his first couple of years? Or Frank Beamer his first 7 or 8 years? Yeah, Big foot and coaching is two different things. Not even a good comparison at all.
Would you like to wager $1000 that Stoops will never have a 9 win regular season at UK?
 
There is no bigger hypocrite on this board than RonE. Its the one thing on this thread that actually made me laugh out loud.

And, I think you meant “quite stalking.” LOL - not a real laugh out loud, but you will bring that out of me sooner rather than later. Thanks!!!

Again, there's a difference between thinking your coach is a lame duck and cheering for your team to lose. I've said multiple times, I hope I'm wrong. I hope Stoops is closer to Bob than Ron Zook.

With you, if you're don't have your head in Stoops' lap, you not a real fan and you want to chase them around like a jilted lover.

Again, not sure why Leach's name turns you into a clown show but if you're smart, you'll realize it and get help.
 
Would you like to wager $1000 that Stoops will never have a 9 win regular season at UK?
What does that have to do with anything? No I wouldn't as I don't gamble. But, you did just prove my point. Gambling is an unknown risk. So you have no more proffered he won't as I do he will. So again, it is speculation.
 
His defense was much better when he took over. But again, as a head coach, he is trying to let his coordinator do the job so he can concentrate on game management and other aspects the head coach needs to worry about.
2. Again, I know for a FACT that he does not mess with his OCs. Only Dawson when he became a complete crap show. The change is pace is due to personnel. A great OC will change to his strengths, not pound square pegs into a round whole.
3. I am in a leadership position as well. Know what I do? I teach and coach kids. To say I have some knowledge of how the situation goes is an understatement. Now, as a coach I claim all the blame. But I do that to help my players relax and work to get better. But at the end of the day, I can't play the game for them. They have to get the job done and do what they were taught. And that doesn't always happen.

I guess we have different opinions of what the issue is and we'll see who is correct in the next year or two. I hope you are right. I have zero faith in Barnhart running another coaching search so until he's gone, it really doesn't matter.

But I've seen this in leadership many times. A person that has done a great job equating into getting a promotion and additional responsibility but not being able to produce at the same level they did at their other position. I see a lot of the same issues with Stoops - he's over his head and not a special leader as far as I can see which spells doom for UK.
 
The Pac 12 was arguably the worst P5 conference this year. Teams like Oregon and USC were down, especially early in USC’s case when WSU played them. Likewise, Boise as an OOC game was beatable this year, much more so that in past years. Leach got the win he needed at home and had the easiest schedule WSU has had in years to place his team in contention to win the conference, but then blew it against Cal and Zona. I understand WSU not being able to do it against a good defense like Washington’s, but Cal smashed them and Zona beat them handily. Leach has a bad reputation for such missed opportunities. Under the Stoops’ lens applied by many of those who tout Leach, Leach would not survive, even in a 9 win season. Under that lens, fans would admit that WSU had a team and favorable schedule to go undefeated once they upset USC until the instate rivalry against the Huskies. Leach SHOULD HAVE HAD 11 wins under that assessment.

This is his reputation. He will win or play well in games where he was not supposed to compete and then lose to a couple of patsies that had no reason to be on the field with him, if his favorable coaching reputation is accurate. His own WSU fans will tell you the same. They constantly complain about the unexpected losses.

Leach is a lateral move from the current Stoops. The difference being that Stoops still has an upside and changing coaches is deterimental to programs, setting them back unless you can really hit the next hire out of the park. Leach IS NOT THAT HIRE. He just is not. I think fans of other programs laugh when they see people here pining for him.
 
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this is a beatdown...and people wanted that clown here :rolleyes:
I'd take Leach in a minute. He has won wherever he has been and his teams are exciting to watch. Not saying we need to Faarr CMS. just saying if we ever need to hire a football coach, Leach should be one of those considered.
 
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Leach is a lateral move from the current Stoops. The difference being that Stoops still has an upside and changing coaches is deterimental to programs, setting them back unless you can really hit the next hire out of the park. Leach IS NOT THAT HIRE. He just is not. I think fans of other programs laugh when they see people here pining for him.

Let's try to debate and be civil/respectful.

SOS. UK's was very low this year and we played in the toilet division of the SEC against a UT team that couldn't score until they played our vaunted D, a UF team that didn't make a bowl for the first time since they wore short shorts in basketball, a MO team who had fallen way off from their championship years, an Ole Miss team with a back up QB and interim coach, etc. We had it lined up for 9 wins (don't blow it vs. UF and Ole Miss) and maybe 10 if we could complete with lil bro.

We ended up with 7. On paper it looks great. In reality, big fail.

Now Leach vs. Stoops - what you guys are failing to acknowledge, and I've made this point umpteen times, WE KNOW HE IS NOT SABAN. He is flawed. He will blow some games and will look over matched at times (see MSU). He is not perfect and yes, we'd complain about him at times. But he will also beat a UF every now and then (he's worth the hire just to do that), blow some doors off teams and give us a chance to compete against anybody. He's proven to be able to recruit players to his system (not needing a bunch of 4 stars) and win.

We know Leach's ceiling and his floor (equally important). 6-8 wins a year with an occasional 9-10 win season. Do that at UK for 4-5 years and he's a hero. As far as Stoops' ceiling, he been a HC for 5 years and nothing special. Bad O, bad D, bad ST sans kicking. What does he do that makes you feel he's turning the corner? His ceiling does not appear high and floor is really low.

Leach would be a nice upgrage IMO.
 
I'd take Leach in a minute. He has won wherever he has been and his teams are exciting to watch. Not saying we need to Faarr CMS. just saying if we ever need to hire a football coach, Leach should be one of those considered.

Only because UK could not attract a better coach. If I went through the P5 conferences and listed the names of the winning coaches, I bet most of those names would be desired over Leach. Even new coaches like Frost would get picked by fans over Leach. We probably could settle for Leach, however. I think that is an actual possible hire to UK. People would point to the gimmick, but would not praise UK for the hire and rightfully so. Most would say UK fired Stoops to make a lateral hire.

I would prefer hiring Brown over Leach, because I see potential in Brown that Leach no longer possesses. I think Brown could actually recruit, cares about defense, and has the ability to vary his offense depending upon personnel or need. I would go with the young up-and-comer over the guy who has hit his ceiling and would excite no one out side of the UK world. I cannot see any SEC recruit saying they would now consider UK because it hired Leach.

I like Mike. I like his style. I hope he never coaches at UK. That day has passed. Most realize it.
 
Would you like to wager $1000 that Stoops will never have a 9 win regular season at UK?

Should have had 9 this year.

And the reason is why many are frustrated with CMS.

No doubt he has made some bad decisions, but I'm in the middle.

I like him and think he has the ability to be a very very good coach, and take UK where we've not been before consistently.

BUT the jury is still out. BUT I acknowledge he has improved the program over all.

Just has to get to that next phase, and he can if he cleans up in game situations.

I for one am pulling for him!
 
Should have had 9 this year.

And the reason is why many are frustrated with CMS.

No doubt he has made some bad decisions, but I'm in the middle.

I like him and think he has the ability to be a very very good coach, and take UK where we've not been before consistently.

BUT the jury is still out. BUT I acknowledge he has improved the program over all.

Just has to get to that next phase, and he can if he cleans up in game situations.

I for one am pulling for him!

Good post, you Pumper!! ;)
 
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Should have had 9 this year.

And the reason is why many are frustrated with CMS.

No doubt he has made some bad decisions, but I'm in the middle.

I like him and think he has the ability to be a very very good coach, and take UK where we've not been before consistently.

BUT the jury is still out. BUT I acknowledge he has improved the program over all.

Just has to get to that next phase, and he can if he cleans up in game situations.

I for one am pulling for him!

I was like you until mid-year. Five years in and still lacking depth in spots, a bad O, a horrendous D. The jury may be out but I feel they'll come in with their verdict soon.

Since you're still onboard, what about Stoops makes you feel he's got it?
 
Good post, you Pumper!! ;)


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I was like you until mid-year. Five years in and still lacking depth in spots, a bad O, a horrendous D. The jury may be out but I feel they'll come in with their verdict soon.

Since you're still onboard, what about Stoops makes you feel he's got it?


From what I can tell, the players respect him and he has their loyalty.

If he can keep recruiting, and the players believe in him I like that.

BUT the D is what kills me, I can't defend the lack of D we've seen. In fact it hasn't improved, which puzzles me.

As far as the O, they got hit hard with replacing guys coming out of fall camp. Took a while but the OLine seemed to improve it was a work in progress.

Believe he has two more years to prove himself, hope he does.
 
What negative publicity are you talking about? Can't seem to rememer WSU getting put on blast.

As far as him in front of a mic, it's awesome. Sportcenter had a piece on him yesterday and how he's outspoken about a deal of topics and they were laughing with him, not at him. The host even mentioned that he just signed a $4M a year extension and that he's worth every penny when referencing his work at WSU.

Take your UGA FB goggles off for a sec. We are UK football - which is a lot like UGA bball, a traditionally garbage program. We can't be picky and need to take calculated chances. Stoops isn't coming here - I get it, but he'd be a great hire for where we are at this time.

Easy to see you have a selective memory, it ran for months about him locking the James kid in a shed, no one would touch him He was out of coaching a few years because of that incident, TT fired him because of that. I guess he thought he was on his pirate ship and could treat someone anyway he wanted. Really lucky for him it was a white kid or he would probably been prosecuted. His actions were a disgrace and Ican't believe anyone would hire him. When he faces a team with a half way decent defense his offense goes into hiding.

The ESPN guys all have a role to play, just like they are starring in a movie,

What does me being a UGA fan have to do with AD across the country wanting nothing to do with Mike Leach? UGA baskeball coaches are on a leash, his orders are don't fall in bed with shoe companies or AAU coaches, win as many as you can, but don't you do anything remotely close to crossing the line, if you make the NCAAs good, if you don't, thats ok too.
 
This whole damn thread is a representation of all the pent up frustration that the fan base has with the sordid,awful history ,that is UK football! I’ve been watching this crappy history since 1953! I think we all would like to see a well prepared,motivated,physical football team today. Let’s hope that Stoops has reflected on the teams and seasons problems ,and has made a diligent effort to correct them! I know from a conversation I had with Stoops last Wednesday evening,he feels the fans concerns,along with the other coaches in attendance.
 
This whole damn thread is a representation of all the pent up frustration that the fan base has with the sordid,awful history ,that is UK football! I’ve been watching this crappy history since 1953! I think we all would like to see a well prepared,motivated,physical football team today. Let’s hope that Stoops has reflected on the teams and seasons problems ,and has made a diligent effort to correct them!

I'm 58 yrs old so have time invested also.

UK football is beyond frustrating.

Agree about today, if they come out unprepared and don't play hard than that falls directly on CMS. And defending him will be very difficult.

I like all of you will be glued watching and pulling for our CATS....after we beat the bird shit out of sewerville.
 
Easy to see you have a selective memory, it ran for months about him locking the James kid in a shed, no one would touch him He was out of coaching a few years because of that incident, TT fired him because of that. I guess he thought he was on his pirate ship and could treat someone anyway he wanted. Really lucky for him it was a white kid or he would probably been prosecuted. His actions were a disgrace and Ican't believe anyone would hire him. When he faces a team with a half way decent defense his offense goes into hiding.

The ESPN guys all have a role to play, just like they are starring in a movie,

What does me being a UGA fan have to do with AD across the country wanting nothing to do with Mike Leach? UGA baskeball coaches are on a leash, his orders are don't fall in bed with shoe companies or AAU coaches, win as many as you can, but don't you do anything remotely close to crossing the line, if you make the NCAAs good, if you don't, thats ok too.

That's old news and already reported on. No word of it when he was hired at WSU and even less if UK hired him. Not to mention there's a real question if it even happened.

TTU AD and Leach were at a breaking point. The AD was tired of Leach flirting with other teams to get raises and the wick was at the end of the candle. It was a convenient way to part ways.

As far as other programs, how do you know who he or his agent have talked with? Everything isn't made public, not to mention UT would have hired him if Fulmer hadn't sabotaged him. So AD's do want something to do with him.

Finally, we are UK. UK FB isn't on a leash (which is a shame if that's how UGA views BB). We want to win but we know where we are on the food chain. We can't pick and choose or foolishly think we can land Chip Kelly, Scott Frost, etc. We have to be creative and take chances.
 
Dykes had some success at Tech but coming into WSU - it was UK bad. It's been 15 years since Price and they were coming off of a 2-11, 1-11, 2-10 and 4-8 season. Probably worse than the Joker years.
It was bad at Wazoo when he arrived.

I guess I would expect a really good coach to have his team finish in the top 25 at least one time in his first 6 seasons at the school.

Look, I think Leach is a better coach than Stoops. I have no problem saying that. I also have no problem saying that Leach has had some head scratching losses to FCS teams and some butt whoopings that this board would have a melt down over. I just don’t think he’s nearly as good as what some make him out to be and think people would be disappointed in the results here.
 
It was bad at Wazoo when he arrived.

I guess I would expect a really good coach to have his team finish in the top 25 at least one time in his first 6 seasons at the school.

Look, I think Leach is a better coach than Stoops. I have no problem saying that. I also have no problem saying that Leach has had some head scratching losses to FCS teams and some butt whoopings that this board would have a melt down over. I just think he’s nearly as good as what some make him out to be and think people would be disappointed in the results here.

You have your right to your opinion and I agree there would be some head scratching losses. But what UK coach hasn't had their share of those? :)

Whether he finished in the top 25 or not remains to be seen. But I'd be happy with being in the top 25 once in the last 5 years. You realize Stoops hasn't had us rank one time in 5 years?

If he won at his established clip, most would be very happy. As a matter of fact, if we won at that level, we'd build a monument with his name on it.
 
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It was bad at Wazoo when he arrived.

I guess I would expect a really good coach to have his team finish in the top 25 at least one time in his first 6 seasons at the school.

Look, I think Leach is a better coach than Stoops. I have no problem saying that. I also have no problem saying that Leach has had some head scratching losses to FCS teams and some butt whoopings that this board would have a melt down over. I just don’t think he’s nearly as good as what some make him out to be and think people would be disappointed in the results here.
Well, Stoops hasn't been here 6 years yet, so that could still happen. Also, you can't just put a number of years on things like this look where we started.
 
Well, Stoops hasn't been here 6 years yet, so that could still happen. Also, you can't just put a number of years on things like this look where we started.

With all due respect, Stoop hasn't even had us in the top 25 at anytime during his tenure. Leach has done this multiple times (they were ranked last night and could conceivably end up in the top 25 depending on other bowls). And WSU was every bit of the dumpster fire we were when Stoops arrived.

If we come out prepared and look good vs. NW, that will go a long way with people like myself. Still won't be on the bandwagon but it will give me hope.
 
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Only because UK could not attract a better coach. If I went through the P5 conferences and listed the names of the winning coaches, I bet most of those names would be desired over Leach. Even new coaches like Frost would get picked by fans over Leach. We probably could settle for Leach, however. I think that is an actual possible hire to UK. People would point to the gimmick, but would not praise UK for the hire and rightfully so. Most would say UK fired Stoops to make a lateral hire.

I would prefer hiring Brown over Leach, because I see potential in Brown that Leach no longer possesses. I think Brown could actually recruit, cares about defense, and has the ability to vary his offense depending upon personnel or need. I would go with the young up-and-comer over the guy who has hit his ceiling and would excite no one out side of the UK world. I cannot see any SEC recruit saying they would now consider UK because it hired Leach.

I like Mike. I like his style. I hope he never coaches at UK. That day has passed. Most realize it.

There are coaches I'd prefer over Leach too. Frost would have been one of them but I'm trying to be realistic. Dude told UF no thanks, so UK wouldn't have had a shot.

UF ended up with Mullen - excellent coach but not a needle mover. F$U ended up with Taggart - again, good rep but not proven. Would have expected Free Shoes U to do better.

I'm looking at where we are on the food chain and that's why it goes back to Leach. By the time Stoops' buyout is manageable, Brown may be a good option. Hope he keeps winning and getting experience while not getting scooped up by a better program. Really like him.
 
Every poster knows about me, you aren’t breaking any news Nancy Grace.

You are an arrogant ass, it’s been said multiple times by multiple posters. Your elitism and superiority attitude is comical. But maybe we are all wrong?

And you know who I am because I use my real name, talk smack but stay hidden behind that username of yours....
Okay. I come here to discuss UK football. You always insist on personalizing and escalating everything. Then, you accuse others of arrogance. That's a misleading strategy, and you have hijacked many threads to feed your need to bully. All paid consultants at the University of Kentucky see your name on the formal dissociation list and hear about the stock thing at the beginning of the consultation. How many people have you duped? You are pushing the confrontation. Not me.
 
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There are coaches I'd prefer over Leach too. Frost would have been one of them but I'm trying to be realistic. Dude told UF no thanks, so UK wouldn't have had a shot.

UF ended up with Mullen - excellent coach but not a needle mover. F$U ended up with Taggart - again, good rep but not proven. Would have expected Free Shoes U to do better.

I'm looking at where we are on the food chain and that's why it goes back to Leach. By the time Stoops' buyout is manageable, Brown may be a good option. Hope he keeps winning and getting experience while not getting scooped up by a better program. Really like him.
Scott Frost is 1 of the most interesting, high upside young coaches in the country. The strong pull for him to go back to his roots in Nebraska is understandable, but I think he might have been better off staying in the state of Florida. We will never know. Mullen will be successful at UF because he can coach at this level better than their 3 previous coaches, but he wasn't on their top list of candidates. I thought Oregon would put up a fight and try to hang onto Taggart. I'm surprised they didn't. Taggart is a good fit at FSU, although their program will go through a style adjustment. As for UK, the current coach is under contract for 5 more years, and hasn't done anything yet to dissatisfying the administration. He has recruited better than his predecessors, run a clean program, participated in raising money, and produced overall improvements leading from 2-10 to 7-5. A segment of the fan base wants Stoops and Barnhart out, no matter what. But every fan base has its extreme element. But getting to 7-5 isn't the University's goal. This is only expected to be 1 stage in progress toward the goal. Barnhart is on record as expecting to see UK play in the SEC CG. Either Stoops satisfies Barnhart's goal, or else he doesn't. Time will tell. You call me a sunshine pumper without knowing what I think. You have said other things on the thread which are also publicly known to be untrue. But I tend to agree with your statements about Frost and Mullen.
 
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Scott Frost is 1 of the most interesting, high upside young coaches in the country. The strong pull for him to go back to his roots in Nebraska is understandable, but I think he might have been better off staying in the state of Florida. We will never know. Mullen will be successful at UF because he can coach at this level better than their 3 previous coaches, but he wasn't on their top list of candidates. I thought Oregon would put up a fight and try to hang onto Taggart. I'm surprised they didn't. Taggart is a good fit at FSU, although their program will go through a style adjustment. As for UK, the current coach is under contract for 5 more years, and hasn't done anything yet to dissatisfying the administration. He has recruited better than his predecessors, run a clean program, participated in raising money, and produced overall improvements leading from 2-10 to 7-5. A segment of the fan base wants Stoops and Barnhart out, no matter what. But every fan base has its extreme element. But getting to 7-5 isn't the University's goal. This is only expected to be 1 stage in progress toward the goal. Barnhart is on record as expecting to see UK play in the SEC CG. Either Stoops satisfies Barnhart's goal, or else he doesn't. Time will tell. You call me a sunshine pumper without knowing what I think. You have said other things on the thread which are also publicly known to be untrue. But I tend to agree with your statements about Frost and Mullen.

Some of us see the inevitable before others. If this is phase 1, I fear 2 and 3 if W's are expected to increase. But also, some of us realize we could be wrong and leave the door cracked.

Not sure what I've said that's publically known to be untrue? Please enlightening me, because again, I'm not afraid to admit fault.
 
This bears repeating here. In the last several months, head coaching jobs have been opponent at Florida, Florida State, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Tennessee, Nebraska, UCLA, Oregon, and Arizona State. Out of all these P5 schools, only 1 (Tennessee) had any interest in Mike Leach - and only as a third tier after being turned down by their top candidates - and their athletics director was immediately and summarily fired to keep him from hiring Leach. The marketplace speaks volumes.

Personally, I don't mind Leach. He's a "good" football coach and can be entertaining at times, but he's probably in the best fit possible right now. IIRC, the only school who gave him more than a glance after he was fired at TTU was Maryland. He's a quirky/strange dude who was a PITA for his bosses at TTU, and I'm guessing that he hasn't been much better at WSU, but they are willing to go along with it. Generally, most people aren't too keen on hiring someone who has sued their former employer and has a reputation of being a PITA to work with.

While he can come up with some funny quips, he can also be a complete jerk when questioned after a loss. Asked last night about his career record of 3-9 (3-13 if you include bowls AND regular season) in season opening and season ending games at WSU, and if there was a problem with preparation, he simply said he wasn't answering that question.
 
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