all I’ve heard all year is how difficult it is as a conference. Outside of duke and uva, I just don’t see it. There are a slew of teams like Fla St, Va Tech, NC St that are just plain average. Not that good actually.
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Look at the scoring. They're becoming the Big 10.
Let’s face it for a long time there have been only two ACC teams with a plausible chance to get to the Final Four, Dook and UNCheat. UVA has shown over and over it’s not ready for prime time.all I’ve heard all year is how difficult it is as a conference. Outside of duke and uva, I just don’t see it. There are a slew of teams like Fla St, Va Tech, NC St that are just plain average. Not that good actually.
SEC is probably the strongest to many of these folksI have a serious question
Is there any conference you find NOT overrated.
All i hear the Big 12 is overrated, the Big 10 is overrated, the ACC is overrated.
So what conference is not? lol
I'd say the Pac 12 is certainly not overrated.I have a serious question
Is there any conference you find NOT overrated.
All i hear the Big 12 is overrated, the Big 10 is overrated, the ACC is overrated.
So what conference is not? lol
Neither three is winning the championshipIt's Duke, Tennessee and Gonzaga vs everyone else this year. Who cares which conferences are the strongest.
Who's winning it? Someone's got to hoist the trophy at the end-you think UVA breaks through?Neither three is winning the championship
It's Duke, Tennessee and Gonzaga vs everyone else this year. Who cares which conferences are the strongest.
Do you like losing money? Its basically impossible that none of those 3 teams make the Final 4 this year considering Duke will likely be the overall 1 Seed in the East and Tennessee should get the 1 seed in the South.LOL. I'd take a straight-up bet that none of those three teams makes the Final Four, much less wins it all.
No VGA will not win they fizzle like always! Duke is flawed and will go down to a team hot from three like Furman! I’d say Michigan has a good chance of going back to the final four! Some think UNC can win it and we already know if Higgins is on the call they won’t lose!Who's winning it? Someone's got to hoist the trophy at the end-you think UVA breaks through?
Those are the top 8 according to KenPom so a solid list.Virginia
Kentucky
Michigan
Michigan St
heck even UNC
My guess.......it'll come from one of those eight.
Zion is a athletic freak of a Basketball god! He’s can’t hit the three consistently and isn’t a great free throw shooter! RJ will he’s good is a ball hog when in crunch time will be the downfall! Easy game plan let those two get theirs and stop the rest which won’t be hard! And shoot lots of threes! Last years champion would have no problem knocking you all off!Those are the top 8 according to KenPom so a solid list.
With how Zion keeps getting better though, I just don't see Duke not winning it all if they're the overall 1 seed in the East.
Those are the top 8 according to KenPom so a solid list.
With how Zion keeps getting better though, I just don't see Duke not winning it all if they're the overall 1 seed in the East.
How is Duke flawed? They're a top 5 offensive and defensive team with 4 1st round picks and a generational talent on their roster coached by a HOFer.No VGA will not win they fizzle like always! Duke is flawed and will go down to a team hot from three like Furman! I’d say Michigan has a good chance of going back to the final four! Some think UNC can win it and we already know if Higgins is on the call they won’t lose!
We were the favorites in 2015 how’d that work out!How is Duke flawed? They're a top 5 offensive and defensive team with 4 1st round picks and a generational talent on their roster coached by a HOFer.
Anything can happen in the tournament but they"ll be the favorites to cut down the nets.
Zion had made 11 of his last 25 three point shots just FYI.Zion is a athletic freak of a Basketball god! He’s can’t hit the three consistently and isn’t a great free throw shooter! RJ will he’s good is a ball hog when in crunch time will be the downfall! Easy game plan let those two get theirs and stop the rest which won’t be hard! And shoot lots of threes! Last years champion would have no problem knocking you all off!
Personally, I think UVA is horribly overrated. They couldn't even take advantage and beat Duke without Jones.all I’ve heard all year is how difficult it is as a conference. Outside of duke and uva, I just don’t see it. There are a slew of teams like Fla St, Va Tech, NC St that are just plain average. Not that good actually.
VTech is without their starting PG.all I’ve heard all year is how difficult it is as a conference. Outside of duke and uva, I just don’t see it. There are a slew of teams like Fla St, Va Tech, NC St that are just plain average. Not that good actually.
I like winning money and have made a habit of it. The only one of those three teams even favored by Las Vegas to make the Final Four is Duke, and the odds are roughly what they were this time last year -- remember? Duke didn't make it with Bagley, Carter, Allen, Duval and Trent. I'd be comfortable betting that none of the three makes the Final Four, and consider it stealing money to bet that none wins it all.
Wisconsin, Duke and Arizona that year were championship contenders in pretty much any other year. UK's defense suffered without Poythress and the Cats couldn't stop Sam Dekker.We were the favorites in 2015 how’d that work out!
Individually, besides maybe Duke, its more likely than not that those 3 teams make the Final 4 but if you're saying that only 1 of those 3 teams need to make the Final 4 to win that bet, you'd be a fool not to take that.I like winning money and have made a habit of it. The only one of those three teams even favored by Las Vegas to make the Final Four is Duke, and the odds are roughly what they were this time last year -- remember? Duke didn't make it with Bagley, Carter, Allen, Duval and Trent. I'd be comfortable betting that none of the three makes the Final Four, and consider it stealing money to bet that none wins it all.
He is up to a smoking hot 29%, not far behind your team average of 30.9%. Burning up the nets.Zion had made 11 of his last 25 three point shots just FYI.
Dear lord, go away.Wisconsin, Duke and Arizona that year were championship contenders in pretty much any other year. UK's defense suffered without Poythress and the Cats couldn't stop Sam Dekker.
The field is much weaker this year and only Duke is comparable to those Final 4 teams from 2015.
In other words the basketball teams are scheduling like football teams.Also, some of these teams have figured out if you play a bunch of cupcakes in non-conference, beat ONE decent team get you record to 15-1 you'll be ranked in the top 20 by conference time. If everyone does it, you'll play a bunch of bad ranked teams (FSU, NC St., V Tech) and when you lose, you won't fall in the rankings. When you win, you'll rise.
Wisconsin, Duke and Arizona that year were championship contenders in pretty much any other year. UK's defense suffered without Poythress and the Cats couldn't stop Sam Dekker.
The field is much weaker this year and only Duke is comparable to those Final 4 teams from 2015.
Yes, the conference looked like it would be good based on those non-conference winning percentages. but that winning % doesn't always tell the story. Outside of the top teams, Duke, UVA, and I'll throw in Louisville, the nonconference schedules were very pedestrian. They are, in fact, very much like the entire middle of that conference. There are 5 tiers in that conference...I'm beginning to wonder if a lot of what made them look good in December was just smart scheduling.
Va Tech went 11-1, Florida St was 12-1, NC State 12-1, while Notre Dame and Pitt were 10-3. Add those teams in with Virginia and the traditional powers (and yeah, I'll include UL there), and the conference looked like a beast. But none of those teams has been able to make a dent against the big boys.
The way that UL and UNC have pushed around the rest of the conference has to make you suspicious. UNC might be a legit top 10 team, but it's hard to see UL as that, and yet UL is sitting at 8-2.
But the honest answer to all these conference strength questions is that we don't know, in large part because Power 5 schools spend a good portion of November and December avoiding each other.
Yes, the conference looked like it would be good based on those non-conference winning percentages. but that winning % doesn't always tell the story. Outside of the top teams, Duke, UVA, and I'll throw in Louisville, the nonconference schedules were very pedestrian. They are, in fact, very much like the entire middle of that conference. There are 5 tiers in that conference...
Tier 1: Duke and Virginia which are legit title contenders, Final 4 contenders
Tier 2: UNC and Louisville which are probably Sweet 16 teams
Tier 3: Syracuse, Va Tech, Florida St which are deserving tournament teams if they keep winning
Tier 4: NC State, Clemson, Ga Tech which are NIT teams
Tier 5: Boston College, Pitt, Notre Dame, Miami, Wake Forest which are hot garbage
Some might say that evaluation could be made of the SEC, but the key difference I see is in those "hot garbage" teams. The SEC just doesn't have many teams like that. You could make a case for Vanderbilt without their PG, but that team is not even close to as bad as Wake Forest, Pitt, or Boston College. Would you rather play at Missouri tomorrow or at Miami?
Here's the deal, you take a team like NC State which just scored 24 points in an entire game with an operating shot clock. They suck. There's no way around it. But they've got 5 guaranteed wins left in conference play- against Pitt, Boston College x 2, Wake Forest, and Ga Tech. So, they will finish, at worst, 21-10, and they will receive an at-large bid based on the strength of the ACC. That will be the ACC's 8th team in the Dance.
Those are the top 8 according to KenPom so a solid list.
With how Zion keeps getting better though, I just don't see Duke not winning it all if they're the overall 1 seed in the East.
Here is the problem with your post. NC St beat Auburn. So where does that put Auburn?Yes, the conference looked like it would be good based on those non-conference winning percentages. but that winning % doesn't always tell the story. Outside of the top teams, Duke, UVA, and I'll throw in Louisville, the nonconference schedules were very pedestrian. They are, in fact, very much like the entire middle of that conference. There are 5 tiers in that conference...
Tier 1: Duke and Virginia which are legit title contenders, Final 4 contenders
Tier 2: UNC and Louisville which are probably Sweet 16 teams
Tier 3: Syracuse, Va Tech, Florida St which are deserving tournament teams if they keep winning
Tier 4: NC State, Clemson, Ga Tech which are NIT teams
Tier 5: Boston College, Pitt, Notre Dame, Miami, Wake Forest which are hot garbage
Some might say that evaluation could be made of the SEC, but the key difference I see is in those "hot garbage" teams. The SEC just doesn't have many teams like that. You could make a case for Vanderbilt without their PG, but that team is not even close to as bad as Wake Forest, Pitt, or Boston College. Would you rather play at Missouri tomorrow or at Miami?
Here's the deal, you take a team like NC State which just scored 24 points in an entire game with an operating shot clock. They suck. There's no way around it. But they've got 5 guaranteed wins left in conference play- against Pitt, Boston College x 2, Wake Forest, and Ga Tech. So, they will finish, at worst, 21-10, and they will receive an at-large bid based on the strength of the ACC. That will be the ACC's 8th team in the Dance.