This is also what stopped the PAC-16 deal back in the late 2000s. Texas legislators were mad Baylor wasn't included and it scuttled things.
North Carolina government says UNC and NC st are package deal to leave acc
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This is also what stopped the PAC-16 deal back in the late 2000s. Texas legislators were mad Baylor wasn't included and it scuttled things.
You are dead on with this. NC playing any of the big name SEC teams generates zero buzz other than NC fans. As you say Florida is a big state and growing, even adding FSU it doesn't do much for South Florida. I think best case is ND, Miami, FSU and Clemson. Give the big NC and Virginia.
Oklahoma amd Oklahoma St were supposedly a package deal at one time. That changed.
The package deal stuff pretty much never winds up actually happening. Much ado about nothing.
Some packages are stronger than others. It is a documented fact the government of Virginia forced the University of Virginia to get VA Tech invited to the ACC. When.the old Southwest conference broke up and teams were merging with the Big 8 Texas politics forced Baylor in when they're level of play didn't justify it at all.
But Oklahoma/ OK St broke up, Oregon/Oregon St, Wash/Wash St have now as well.
But Oklahoma/ OK St broke up, Oregon/Oregon St, Wash/Wash St have now as well.
This is about to get real, I can't link on my phone but Big and SEC are demanding 58% of the playoff monies, giving ACC and Big12 32% and the 64 group and ND split the other 10%. Number wise it's the big splitting 760m, the next 2 440m and finally 110m for the last group. 23m for big 2 teams, 13m for next 2 and less than 2m for group teams. This is just money from playoff, so even more motivation to leave the ACC. They are going to be looking at quite a bit less. This hasn't passed yet, but looking like it will.
Pushing the Doamers into a conference with that payout distribution
You get it. It is not nesacerily about markets. It is all about eyeballs.
FSU is ranked as the 15th most profitable ath dept in the ncaa. Oddly UVA is ranked 14th.
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
There is no way for them to block any longer. When the conference expanded they lost that ability, as they don't have enough votes to do it. It was never codified as a rule, rather it was a gentleman's agreement between UK, UGA, UF and USCjr, but that's no longer enough votes.
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Baylor's a private religious school, so Tx State legislator had no standing in that.
My family's from Miami and I have family member alumni. Miami is not a culture fit. It's a very expensive private school with small enrollment. The vast majority of their students are from out of state (primarily NE corridor) and a significant percentage from other countries. Also, they have no football field and their athletic funding is closer to Vandy than Bama etc. Not to mention they are barely in the top 60 for avg viewers. I will be surprised if they get in the SEC and shocked if it is not in conjunction with FSU, as designed to keep the B!G out of FL.
55. Cincinnati — 653K
56. Pittsburgh — 650K
57. Oregon State — 625K
58. Rutgers — 618K
59. Miami FL— 608K
60. Wake Forest — 523K
61. UCF — 510K
62. Arizona — 506K
They may not have had standing but Texas' state government has a LOT of Baylor alums and they were going to cause problems with the attempted PAC-16 idea, when eventually played a role in scuttling it.
I believe you are conflating stories. Gov Ann Richards(over two decades ago), who was a Baylor alum, convinced the Big12 to bring Baylor along when the SWC dissolved, but the legislature had no bearing in the decision either. It was really a favor to her. If you read up on what happened when UT started flirting more recently is a few legislators voiced their disapproval and even spoke to the governor, but nothing become of it because they have no standing.
Wow you need to read up on your recent history. The then Gov of Texas in the mid 90's forced Baylor to be included in the merger of Texas schools into the old Big 8 to form the original Big 12. State governments get involved all the time with private schools, they aren't treated in a hands off manner at all.
No, I'm not conflating. Issues in the Texas government because of Baylor's exclusive were a big reason the PAC-16 merger never happened in the mid-2000s since Baylor was the only Texas university not included in that merger.
I know what Miami is, but it is the richest recruits grounds in the country. No one in the SEC offices want the Big with a home team deep in SEC territory. Big has to recruit deep south or they all become Minnesota. The only 2 teams that recruit the deep south are OSU and Mich, with PSU dipping a little. Very few kids on SEC rosters from the northern US.
I am always open to being refuted with facts. Please show me a link supporting that thesis. I can't find one. But here is what I did find:
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Pac-12 fails to expand into Texas
- PAC could have expanded by adding Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech, but Scott chose not to as Texas demanded a greater share of the media rights revenue than the other schools.
The Pac-12’s demise did not happen in a day: A Timeline
The Pac-12 could have expanded to Texas and ushered in the age of the super conference nearly a decade ago. Instead, a series of poor decisions and miscalculations have led the Pac-12 to the brink of extinction. At the center of the news of the Pac-12 Conference’s demise is WSU President Kirk...
dailyevergreen.com
Don't disagree with anything you wrote here, but my point doesn't change. Very unlikely Miami comes in without FSU.
I think both will end up in SEC alone with CU and probably one of the North Carolina schools, State most likely. I would rather have Ga. Tech than any of the ACC north crowd.
I didn't want Texas, they are conference killers and will try to run things soon. They bullied the Big12 until it was on the verge of imploding like the Pac did, wanted their own TV network, double share of payout. Hopefully we have enough strong members to keep them in check.
Big would want Miami for only 2 reasons... Open up recruiting to south Fl for the Big to pretend they still care about athletics after this all goes down. LOL.
From what I've read on the B1G boards, this is exactly what's going to happen and has ND scared. I think they'll be in the B1G sooner than later
Indeed. Texas also blew up the B!G12/PAC16 merger attempt. They demanded a disproportionate share, so it fell apart. I hope they are humbled by the SEC.
Agree with your first point, but Miami is a very good academic institution and would be right in the middle of B1G for academic ranking.
Edit:I must admit, I thought that said academics rather than athletics. Not sure if that was edited or I need new readers.
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Too small to matter with what's coming. There just aren't that many fans for those schools.
But why go through the hassle? I try to avoid things I know will be a pain in the rear.
Good point about ND, Purdue and UI are already in Big so without kicking one of those they may not want ND.
