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International disputes are always a debate of "good vs. evil", again this time Putin has solidified his country's status as aligned with the latter.

I've been reminding everyone I know of Ukraine's historical attachment to Russia as a justification for this invasion on his part, trying to make excuses for these illegal actions. I'm 100% wrong. Apparently a full generation of independence can turn a people's worldview on its head. This guy Zelensky asking for ammo instead of a ride out is unreal. Power to these people and F**& Putin for all times
 
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ABC News :

The White House announced further sanctions on Russia Saturday evening.

The U.S., along with the European Commission, France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and Canada, are disconnecting some Russian banks from the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT) banking network and are “imposing restrictive measures that will prevent the Russian Central Bank from deploying its international reserves in ways that undermine the impact of our sanctions," the White House said.

“This will ensure that these banks are disconnected from the international financial system and harm their ability to operate globally,”

The White House added, "We commit to taking measures to limit the sale of citizenship -- so called golden passports -- that let wealthy Russians connected to the Russian government become citizens of our countries and gain access to our financial systems."

The U.S. will also launch a trans-Atlantic task force “that will ensure the effective implementation of our financial sanctions by identifying and freezing the assets of sanctioned individuals and companies that exist within our jurisdictions.”

The Biden administration said it's also upping the fight against disinformation and “other forms of hybrid warfare.”
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Good stuff if accurate.
 
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Girthang said:
No sht. I'm not surprised you don't value human life unless it agrees with your politics. It wasn't a revelation to see your post. I just stated a fact. The Russian soldiers are just following orders. Only ignorant fks think they are "bad guys" and "deserving of death" simply because the news tells you they are.

You know nothing about this conflict right now except what the media has told you and yet you hope 35k people die. You're part of the problem and have no clue. Congrats



You are confused.. I have (and will) never ask your permission.
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Wanna fill us in on the conflict since us simpletons can only go by the media. I guess you got Putin and the Ukrainian President on speed dial? So what’s the scoop?
 
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Chechen's getting in worries me. They are really good soldiers and extremely brutal. In close quarter street fights those guys could do some evil stuff real quick.

Germany sending 500 shoulder fired missiles will help even the playing field. rumor that other Nato members are sending in tank and plane killers as well.
 
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Girthang said:
No sht. I'm not surprised you don't value human life unless it agrees with your politics. It wasn't a revelation to see your post. I just stated a fact. The Russian soldiers are just following orders. Only ignorant fks think they are "bad guys" and "deserving of death" simply because the news tells you they are.

You know nothing about this conflict right now except what the media has told you and yet you hope 35k people die. You're part of the problem and have no clue. Congrats



You are confused.. I have (and will) never ask your permission.
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WTF? Human life is what directs & executes the invasion. The human life that does that needs to be neutralized one way or another including death. And yes, it should be celebrated. You're clueless if you don't know Russia forces have invaded Ukraine unprovoked.
 
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Chechen's getting in worries me. They are really good soldiers and extremely brutal. In close quarter street fights those guys could do some evil stuff real quick.

Germany sending 500 shoulder fired missiles will help even the playing field. rumor that other Nato members are sending in tank and plane killers as well.
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we will see how tough they are on fire from a Molotov and with AK fire raining down on them.
 
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Girthang said:
If this is an invasion or not, I don't want it to linger. Civilians will also die the longer this continues. My hope is that it is just a statement by Russia and that it ends with specific corporate targets being taken out rather than it being an invasion. As it stands, doesn't look like a well-planned invasion, and I doubt Russia would be this haphazard in planning or execution of one.

This seems more like someone focused on taking out perceived threats within Ukraine and keeping casualties and collateral damage to a minimum. Guess we'll find out down the road a pace.
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Yes, you're clueless. There is no question that it's an invasion regardless of how well or poorly it's being done. All the fighting is in Ukraine, not Russia or anywhere else. So how is it not an invasion? Fine that you don't want it to linger. Neither does anyone else. It's easy to stop.
 
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I hope the casualties to both sides are minimal and that these strategic bombings end soon. It's a really strange strategy, if this IS an invasion, to do things the way Rusia has been doing things. Makes no sense as it is right now
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Duh.
 
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maneal4 said:
I've been reminding everyone I know of Ukraine's historical attachment to Russia as a justification for this invasion on his part, trying to make excuses for these illegal actions. I'm 100% wrong. Apparently a full generation of independence can turn a people's worldview on its head. This guy Zelensky asking for ammo instead of a ride out is unreal. Power to these people and F**& Putin for all times
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Good for you that you can admit error in thought. I mean Ukraine has been independent of Russia for 30/31 years such that no one under 40 - the armed forces - remembers being controlled by Russia. Plus they've become oriented to the West. Putin may still control the geography of U in the end, but never the minds of U again. Their brotherly relationship is broken forever by this war.
 
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Retired Army Colonel just on Fox said Putin is moving slow on purpose in hopes of them giving up so he doesn’t have to rebuild and that it’s getting close to him going with plan B, which is to evicerate the place with much nastier weaponry, that he has.

He said 99%of Kyiv are Russians, are hiding in their cellars until this is over and the civilians fighting are a tiny percentage of Kyiv.

Hope he’s wrong but starting to think this may headed that way.
 
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It's possible that we are seeing Russia fumble around trying to figure out how to conduct a war without just wiping out everything in front of them. Guerrilla warfare has never been their strong suit.

Russia has pretty simple traditional war strategy, on the surface anyway. The use mobile and heavy artillery to pound the enemy to smithereens and then send in the heavy armor backed up by motorized infantry.

If they can't use their TOS-1s and 152s to just hulk smash everything it could explain their losses. I've also heard they are having serious night fighting problems and are a bit behind on their thermal tech.

Let's just hope they don't loose patience and decide to break out the thermobaric rockets.
 
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Dubya C Dubya said:
Retired Army Colonel just on Fox said Putin is moving slow on purpose in hopes of them giving up so he doesn’t have to rebuild and that it’s getting close to him going with plan B, which is to evicerate the place with much nastier weaponry, that he has.

He said 99%of Kyiv are Russians, are hiding in their cellars until this is over and the civilians fighting are a tiny percentage of Kyiv.

Hope he’s wrong but starting to think this may headed that way.
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Hope he’s wrong.
 
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Dubya C Dubya said:
Retired Army Colonel just on Fox said Putin is moving slow on purpose in hopes of them giving up so he doesn’t have to rebuild and that it’s getting close to him going with plan B, which is to evicerate the place with much nastier weaponry, that he has.

He said 99%of Kyiv are Russians, are hiding in their cellars until this is over and the civilians fighting are a tiny percentage of Kyiv.

Hope he’s wrong but starting to think this may headed that way.
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Yea. I read they are bringing in thermobaric weapons. Those don't leave survivors. they are built to level city blocks. If they use them we will get an escalation.
 
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Not a fan of a reporter just throwing something like this out there, but it does feel like something is up. It doesn't seem like Putin takes Ukraine and suddenly the world is back to normal again. Just feels like we're all going to be on edge for the foreseeable future because he's not going to back down at this point.

 
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Not a fan of a reporter just throwing something like this out there, but it does feel like something is up. It doesn't seem like Putin takes Ukraine and suddenly the world is back to normal again. Just feels like we're all going to be on edge for the foreseeable future because he's not going to back down at this point.

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I have wondered for years if he may go down that path, near the end of his days. The dude being a nut isn’t anything new if you have been paying attention.

The best thing for everyone would be his own people removing him.
 
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FirewithFire said:
It's possible that we are seeing Russia fumble around trying to figure out how to conduct a war without just wiping out everything in front of them. Guerrilla warfare has never been their strong suit.

Russia has pretty simple traditional war strategy, on the surface anyway. The use mobile and heavy artillery to pound the enemy to smithereens and then send in the heavy armor backed up my motorized infantry.

If they can't use their TOS-1s and 152s to just hulk smash everything it could explain their losses. I've also heard they are having serious night fighting problems and are a bit behind on their thermal tech.

Let's just hope they don't loose patience and decide to break out the thermobaric rockets.
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Good post FwF. I think the russkies bit off more than they can chew without going FULL on WAR. The russkies banked on out numbering their enemy. But Ukraine said...quoting the brave soldiers on Snake Island...GO FU** YOURSELF! The Ukrainians are fighting a WAR that Americans have fought for numerous times...They are fighting for their Independence and Freedom!
 
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This is one stupid comment on Fox website by a Fox reporter:

"Ukraine's continued efforts have surprised officials around the world, many of whom did not expect the tiny nation to last against the Russian superpower."

First, Ukraine is about the size of TX - not tiny.

Two, Ukraine's population is 1/4-1/3 of Russia's at over 40M. That's not tiny either.
 
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hmt5000 said:
Chechen's getting in worries me. They are really good soldiers and extremely brutal. In close quarter street fights those guys could do some evil stuff real quick.

Germany sending 500 shoulder fired missiles will help even the playing field. rumor that other Nato members are sending in tank and plane killers as well.
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ID like to see some other militias and paramilitary groups jump in independently with Ukraine. Some Russians believe Putin might get knocked off for this. Slip on a tile is what they told me. Putin is gonna lose his country real fast bc he’s premised the entire thing on Ukraine weakness and ability To get in and out with minimal casualties. Some oligarchs are taking a big hit and they may turn on Putin
 
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Wildcats1st said:
ID like to see some other militias and paramilitary groups jump in independently with Ukraine. Some Russians believe Putin might get knocked off for this. Slip on a tile is what they told me. Putin is gonna lose his country real fast bc he’s premised the entire thing on Ukraine weakness and ability To get in and out with minimal casualties. Some oligarchs are taking a big hit and they may turn on Putin
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What Russians? I hope he “slips” “in the armory” and sustains a magazine load of an AK.
 
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Dubya C Dubya said:
Retired Army Colonel just on Fox said Putin is moving slow on purpose in hopes of them giving up so he doesn’t have to rebuild and that it’s getting close to him going with plan B, which is to evicerate the place with much nastier weaponry, that he has.

He said 99%of Kyiv are Russians, are hiding in their cellars until this is over and the civilians fighting are a tiny percentage of Kyiv.

Hope he’s wrong but starting to think this may headed that way.
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Whoever says 99% of Kiev resident are Russians is factually incorrect
 
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bkingUK said:
This is misleading. Having talked to a handful of Kiev resident, overwhelming majority didn’t want to leave. They didn’t think fighting would come to Kiev. They weren’t “left behind”
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Damn. You got friends/associates/whatever over there? Can’t imagine what they are going through. How did you talk to them? Phones still working for the most part?
 
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bkingUK said:
This is misleading. Having talked to a handful of Kiev resident, overwhelming majority didn’t want to leave. They didn’t think fighting would come to Kiev. They weren’t “left behind”
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they wanted to get on the plane and were told they couldn't. If you and I are on a road trip. We stop to get gas. I leave the station without you..... Were you left behind?
 
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Damn. Where did you see that?
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The town I live in near the Nicaraguan border has quite a few Russians. They generally are not happy. These are people who still have family and property in russia. Not happy and the reason Putin is gonna bring in the Chechens is because the russian sees Ukraine as brothers.

I think Putin made a bad miscalculation and I don’t think He deals too well with that. I’m concerned he may do some serious damage. His best play was to take eastern Ukraine the Donbas. I’m actually surprised he went all in.
 
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If you invade, you take down communications, which hasn't been done. Internet is fine. Phones are fine. I've watched videos of people doing business as usual there, so this is all so odd. Turned it all off for the night to login here, but may go back to watching foreign media. I don't know what y'all are watching to get what you're getting
 
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