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NBA GM Semi-Finals Miracle7s vs Gossie21

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miracle7s

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Miracle7s

Guards: Steph Curry, Derrick Rose, Jrue Holiday, Avery Bradley

Wings: Paul Pierce, Trevor Ariza, Josh Smith, Jae Crowder

Bigs: Kevin Love, Al Horford, Hassan Whiteside, Tim Duncan


Gossie21

Guards: Tony Parker, Reggie Jackson, Dante Exum, Jodie Meeks, Lance Stephenson, Tony Allen

Wings: Kevin Durant, Andrew Wiggins, Aaron Gordon

Bigs: Zach Randolph, Omer Asik, Karl Towns
 
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Miracle7s

Guards: Steph Curry, Derrick Rose, Jrue Holiday, Avery Bradley

Wings: Paul Pierce, Trevor Ariza, Josh Smith, Jae Crowder

Bigs: Kevin Love, Al Horford, Hassan Whiteside, Tim Duncan


Gossie21

Guards: Tony Parker, Reggie Jackson, Dante Exum, Jodie Meeks, Lance Stephenson, Tony Allen

Wings: Andrew Wiggins, Aaron Gordon

Bigs: Zach Randolph, Omer Asik, Karl Towns
Left Kevin Durant off of gossies team.
 
miracles team can win now, but you could argue gossie as well. durant plus wiggins and towns i like too much for down the road so i chose gossie. both have championship caliber rosters.
 
I prefer to set up my Roster as follows:

gossie21
PG: Tony Parker (Backups Reggie Jackson & Dante Exum)
SG: Andrew Wiggins (Backups Tony Allen, Jodie Meeks, & Dante Exum)
SF: Kevin Durant (Backups Andrew Wiggins and Lance Stephenson)
PF: Zach Randolph (Backup Aaron Gordon)
C: Karl Towns (Backup Omer Asik)

Tony Parker is in the starting lineup for the first year, and then will move into a reserve role. He is really more a veteran leader to mentor my younger guards and who can still produce in spurts. The rest of my team is solid. Between Jackson, Allen, Wiggins, Stephenson, and Randolph it will be very difficult to score on my team.... especially for a team so dependent on their guards as Miracle7s.
 
When I saw that I was drafting 5th I knew that I wouldn't be able to draft Lebron, Curry, or Davis. I figured I would be picking between Harden, Westbrook, or Cousins. I didn't like Harden because he dominates the ball too much, same with Westbrook. Cousins probably would have been my choice, but I was worried about his lack of winning in the league. Fortunately Harden went 4th and Durant fell into my lap.

Since I knew I couldn't draft Lebron, Curry, or Davis, I knew that I was going to have to build my team to stop those guys. Since I'm facing Steph Curry this round I will explain my rationale for stopping him.

Tony Allen is the best on-ball defender out on the wing in the NBA. He is versatile enough to guard the 1 - 3. Also if you look at the playoffs this year the Grizzlies went up 2-1 on Steph Curry in large part because of Allen's defensive brilliance. He injured his hamstring in game 3 and Curry then carried Golden State to the series win. Allen will be the type of Bruce Bowen type player that helped the Spurs win 3 titles. He doesn't really care about offense at all, he just wants to get in and frustrate the other team while he's on defense. With Durant on my team I'm not really too worried about giving up a little offense for someone who can shut down a Steph Curry.
 
When I saw that I was drafting 5th I knew that I wouldn't be able to draft Lebron, Curry, or Davis. I figured I would be picking between Harden, Westbrook, or Cousins. I didn't like Harden because he dominates the ball too much, same with Westbrook. Cousins probably would have been my choice, but I was worried about his lack of winning in the league. Fortunately Harden went 4th and Durant fell into my lap.

Since I knew I couldn't draft Lebron, Curry, or Davis, I knew that I was going to have to build my team to stop those guys. Since I'm facing Steph Curry this round I will explain my rationale for stopping him.

Tony Allen is the best on-ball defender out on the wing in the NBA. He is versatile enough to guard the 1 - 3. Also if you look at the playoffs this year the Grizzlies went up 2-1 on Steph Curry in large part because of Allen's defensive brilliance. He injured his hamstring in game 3 and Curry then carried Golden State to the series win. Allen will be the type of Bruce Bowen type player that helped the Spurs win 3 titles. He doesn't really care about offense at all, he just wants to get in and frustrate the other team while he's on defense. With Durant on my team I'm not really too worried about giving up a little offense for someone who can shut down a Steph Curry.

IF you are talking about bringing tony allen into your starting lineup who comes out? Or are you bringing him off your bench still?


Miracle what does your starting 5 look like. Starting Horford? Love? Are you starting a two guard lineup? Will Duncan/Pierce start?
 
IF you are talking about bringing tony allen into your starting lineup who comes out? Or are you bringing him off your bench still?
Allen's primary role will be off the bench, if we are looking at my standard rotation. Allen and Stephenson are situational players. When matched up against Miracle7s team though I will need his defensive presence from the start.
 
It's really guards and bigs vs wings.

For miracle, I feel like Pierce/Ariza is a fine tandem in the NBA, but the talent is a bit more concentrated in this imaginary format and Pierce is really more useful as a 4 who doesn't have to guard anyone and can stretch the floor.The problem is miracle already has too many bigs as it is (seriously, nice depth) so Pierce has to play the 3.

Your best two players are Curry and Horford, but to put your best lineup on the floor, you have to play them out of position. I'd roll with Rose, Curry, Ariza, Horford, Duncan, which is nice, if the pieces can fit that way. Really highlights the challenge of this thing, which was to get as much talent as possible but also make it fit together as a roster. The way your team is put together, you really need Love in a shooting role, which negates his value as we saw in Cleveland this year.

Gossie, I feel like Durant/Wiggins is a stellar combo on the wing, but the crux of your team is the roles played by ZBo and Allen. With both of them only having a couple years left, plus Parker at PG, the future, which should be bright with Wiggins/Towns, could be left short handed. Your guys won't be at their peak at the same time.

I don't like Exum/Gordon to be more than athletes that don't really fit a position, but the length and youth are nice. Towns, of course, will be an All-Star, but I think it takes him 3-4 years like it does everyone besides the absolute freaks of nature. I do like Asik as a sturdy defender and rebounder, but he doesn't protect the rim much and next to Z-bo you're not going to get much shot blocking. If you can find a balance of those guys at the 5 spot, you should have a nice shot to contend until Z-Bo is done.

For the purposes of this, we have to assume Durant comes back fine, so he's one of the league's best players, but it definitely would be interesting to see him without a dynamic point like Westbrook. Jackson is your best bet at point, but he's really an undersized combo like Rodney Stuckey was. I'm not sure you can win with a guy like that, especially next to guys like Wiggins and Durant, but I'd roll with that lineup by default just because Exum isn't ready and Parker is near the end.

Meeks and Lance are good off the bench, and anytime you can have a guy with Lance's talent in a role where he isn't relied on to be a consistent contributor, that's a bonus. In fact, let me have five beers and I'd start telling you to start him at PG. Just saying, might work.

Think I'm voting Gossie, just because with two rosters that have flaws, I think his is at least ready to contend right now while Parker, Randolph and Allen are around.
 
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Thanks for the breakdown. I know you are really down on Parker, but he's only 33 years old. Sure he has some international miles to pack on, but he's not done yet. And he's got (repeat) championship experience. You see the Spurs free agency targets are mostly post players (Aldridge and West) that tells me they are more concerned with Duncan holding up than Parker. Patty Mills is good, but he's not in the same league with Reggie Jackson.

I think the point guard position is a bit over-rated. Chris Paul is arguably the best point guard in the league (and has been for years) but he's not been able to carry a team to the conference finals. That's not a knock because he's spent his entire career in the West. But it shows that the PG spot is not always essential to winning a title. Look at who the Heat threw out at PG for their two Lebron titles.

Durant handled a lot of PG duties for OKC at the end of close games. Although I admit it is dangerous to lean on a Scott Brooks strategy.
 
Honestly what I'd do is today is start Rose, Curry, Pierce, Love, Duncan. There isn't a team with with more fire power than that in this whole competition. Going forward Duncan and Pierce move out for Horford or Whiteside depending on Whiteside development and then Ariza or move Kevin Love to more of wing like he's playing now and play big. I have Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Hassan Whiteside, and Trevor Ariza for elite defense that I can put in at any time, Jrue Holiday is a notch below but a fantastic defender as is Derrick Rose and while Curry isn't a lock-down guy he did lead the league in steals which means he's very pesky. Mix that with the vet presence of Timmy and Paul Pierce on D I think it's incredible. Also a big part of my drafting of Pierce and Duncan is not only are they still 2 of the best players in the NBA currently but as a "mock NBA GM" you put guys like that on your team to teach guys how to play the game and be winners.

I think what this really comes down to is that I have more elite talent in the back-court and with the bigs and he has the edge at wing. Are you viewing Kevin Durant as a guy who is going to come back and be one the 4-5 best players in the league or he is it really going to affect him. Ask a NBA guy and they'd say they rather have a knee, ankle, Achilles, anything other than that foot injury it's ruined a lot of careers. I like my team and think I have more now and more going forward although, that's no disrespect to Wiggins or what KAT could become, but your banking an awful lot on journeymen and young guys who haven't done a ton yet. Like I said I like Gossie's team but I think mine is just a little better in the overall scheme of what we were trying to do.
 
It's really guards and bigs vs wings.

Think I'm voting Gossie, just because with two rosters that have flaws, I think his is at least ready to contend right now while Parker, Randolph and Allen are around.

Didn't want to quote your whole post because it was so long, and before I say what I want to about the part I highlighted I wanted to say thanks for the in depth post I know that took a few minutes to do and it makes it more fun.

Now having said that your entitled to your opinion but if your rationale is that you really think that the team he would put on the floor right now is better than the team I would put on the floor right now, I can't tell you how wrong you are. There is literally no way. Curry>Parker, Duncan, Horford, Love>Randolph, and Pierce, Ariza>Allen. He's main thing is banking on his team developing beyond Wiggins and Durant.
 
I went miracle7s...

Rose > Parker
Curry >>>> anyone Gossie has that will play 2G (unless you count Wiggins as a 2G)
Pierce/Ariza <<< Durant/Wiggins
Love/Horford/Duncan > Randolph/Towns/Asik

Interesting that you don't really have a true 2G on your roster, miracle7s...
 
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I went miracle7s...

Rose > Parker
Curry >>>> anyone Gossie has that will play 2G (unless you count Wiggins as a 2G)
Pierce/Ariza <<< Durant/Wiggins
Love/Horford/Duncan > Randolph/Towns/Asik

Interesting that you don't really have a true 2G on your roster, miracle7s...
He said he would play Curry at the 2g. Which is a good move given his roster. It's just too bad that Curry won't ever see daylight with Allen shutting him down.

I find it interesting that you rank Love/Horford/Duncan above Randolph/Towns/Asik I would call it a push. Really it comes down to your team's identity on offense and defense. Neither Miracle or I will rely on the post players to carry our offense. Although I have Towns who is the best offensive prospect out of the group. But he is admittedly a year or two away from being an all-star. Defensively is where I think my players set themselves above Miracles group. Z-Bo is a brute inside and he will patrol the lane. Towns was much further along than I was expecting on defense, and his blocks per game were quite good through the first 2 months of the season.
 
He said he would play Curry at the 2g. Which is a good move given his roster. It's just too bad that Curry won't ever see daylight with Allen shutting him down.

I find it interesting that you rank Love/Horford/Duncan above Randolph/Towns/Asik I would call it a push. Really it comes down to your team's identity on offense and defense. Neither Miracle or I will rely on the post players to carry our offense. Although I have Towns who is the best offensive prospect out of the group. But he is admittedly a year or two away from being an all-star. Defensively is where I think my players set themselves above Miracles group. Z-Bo is a brute inside and he will patrol the lane. Towns was much further along than I was expecting on defense, and his blocks per game were quite good through the first 2 months of the season.
But he won't play against Allen every game...we're not going head-to-head in our match-ups. If we are, I've missed something.

I'm not sure Towns will ever be able to stretch out the D as far as Love can, so saying he's the best offensive prospect out of that group may be a bit of a reach. Give me Towns's defense all day, though.

Duncan still had a PER of 22.7 last year. Horford is also one of the more efficient guys in the NBA, w/ a PER of 21.4 last season. Both numbers are higher than Randolph's (19.54) and significantly higher than Asik's (15.49).
 
But he won't play against Allen every game...we're not going head-to-head in our match-ups. If we are, I've missed something.

I'm not sure Towns will ever be able to stretch out the D as far as Love can, so saying he's the best offensive prospect out of that group may be a bit of a reach. Give me Towns's defense all day, though.

Duncan still had a PER of 22.7 last year. Horford is also one of the more efficient guys in the NBA, w/ a PER of 21.4 last season. Both numbers are higher than Randolph's (19.54) and significantly higher than Asik's (15.49).
The way I look at the voting is how the teams match up against each other in a hypothetical playoff round. So (for me) it's a head-to-head in that sense. That's not a requirement so you can vote however you like.

As for Love/Horford/Duncan.... I never considered Love, I picked Wiggins in the 2nd round 2 spots before Miracle picked him. I passed on Horford twice when picking Towns (3rd round) and Z-Bo (4th round). Horford is a nice player, he's versatile and efficient. But he doesn't do much for the identity of the team. I lose a little bit of offense with Z-Bo, but I gain a ton on defense.
 
The way I look at the voting is how the teams match up against each other in a hypothetical playoff round. So (for me) it's a head-to-head in that sense. That's not a requirement so you can vote however you like.

As for Love/Horford/Duncan.... I never considered Love, I picked Wiggins in the 2nd round 2 spots before Miracle picked him. I passed on Horford twice when picking Towns (3rd round) and Z-Bo (4th round). Horford is a nice player, he's versatile and efficient. But he doesn't do much for the identity of the team. I lose a little bit of offense with Z-Bo, but I gain a ton on defense.
Ahem...

http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...r-underrated-atlanta-hawks-washington-wizards

Horford's no slouch.
 
I never said he was. But he's the 2nd best player on your team (unless Rose can stay healthy) and he was picked in the 4th round. I passed on him twice, which maybe that means I am a poor GM (probably true anyways). It could also mean that I picked up players that brought more of an identity to my team.
I think Horford brings his own identity...it's not Durant/Wiggins/Z-Bo-esque (aggressive, cold-blooded killer), but it's a blue-collar workman's attitude that his own NBA team has embraced.

I'd say Horford is arguably the 4th best player on miracle7s's team behind Love, too...and that's a pretty nice 4th option.

Regardless, I should be worried about the beatdown my own team is taking in the voting.
 
I think Horford brings his own identity...it's not Durant/Wiggins/Z-Bo-esque (aggressive, cold-blooded killer), but it's a blue-collar workman's attitude that his own NBA team has embraced.

I'd say Horford is arguably the 4th best player on miracle7s's team behind Love, too...and that's a pretty nice 4th option.

Regardless, I should be worried about the beatdown my own team is taking in the voting.
It's interesting to me how this one has played out. Our rosters are pretty even, we have strengths in different areas and weaknesses in others. It's really just a matter of personal preference at this point.

I don't see this one being lopsided either way when the vote ends.
 
It's interesting to me how this one has played out. Our rosters are pretty even, we have strengths in different areas and weaknesses in others. It's really just a matter of personal preference at this point.

I don't see this one being lopsided either way when the vote ends.
I think having arguably the best player in the world for the foreseeable future has made mine & Gonzo's so one-sided. Higher sticker shock, if you will.
 
Miracle, I essentially threw out Parker and Pierce when considering the teams, because both are huge holes (in my opinion) in what are otherwise a really, really strong starting 5.

I chose Gossie's team as a contender now because he has his best players playing in the right positions. For your team to be at its best, you have to play Curry at the 2, and you sort of "waste" all that big man talent because only two can play at once. Though I do think people mix-matching positions is part of the fun of this, and you've done a good job of selling it.

For what it's worth, Horford is better than Z-Bo, and I wasn't aware Randolph had some reputation as a defensive stud. I'd take Horford twice on D over Randolph, although I'll grant that offense and rebounding are close. I skew Horford for youth and defense, but Z-Bo is insane, so that carries some bonus points for him too.

If you could start 7 players, I'd take miracle as the best lineup, but you can't play all those bigs at once. I also don't think you can just view DRose as pure DRose. The injury concerns are why he was available when you drafted him, so it's only fair to consider him in the same light when talking teams. If healthy, he's a monster though.
 
That's weird. I checked last night (11:45) after the poll closed and I had won 14-13.

I check again this morning and now I've lost 15-14? Except that the poll still hasn't closed. What's going on?
 
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Ideally, folks would have posted the voting score at the time the poll ended, but we don't have a time machine and it's basically the honor system. I have no reason to believe you'd just make up that you were leading after time for the poll to have closed, but definitively proving that is impossible.

for what it's worth, I said I was leaning Gossie and just now voted before typing this post, so it's tied at 15 now. I should have voted earlier.

I'll let you two gentlemen decide how to handle this. Sword fight, call it for one or the other, extend the voting, whatever makes both parties happy. Talk it out.

What do you think, @miracle7s?
 
I checked it on my phone last night and I saw an asterisk next to my name so I thought that meant the poll was closed and I won..... but I think that just means that's who I voted for.

I'll wait to see what @miracle7s says. If I can get @Kaizer Sosay to come in and throw his UK vote my way I can pull back ahead.
 
Well I don't think we've technically set up any of the polls to "close" after the allotted time period, we just kind of eyeball it when the right amount of time has passed and see who's ahead.

If you were up at 11:45 last night, the poll should have been closed then, but like I said, all we'd have is your word on that and I'm not so sure the competition would be inclined to just concede that with voting so close lol.
 
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Well I don't think we've technically set up any of the polls to "close" after the allotted time period, we just kind of eyeball it when the right amount of time has passed and see who's ahead.

If you were up at 11:45 last night, the poll should have been closed then, but like I said, all we'd have is your word on that and I'm not so sure the competition would be inclined to just concede that with voting so close lol.
I get that. I should have posted something last night I guess.

I set the polls my first 2 rounds for 1 day. I know there is an option for setting it for 2 days.

If I don't move on I'll be okay.
 
Well I don't know what time the poll closed or not but I can say at 11:45-12:00 last night I got on and was up 15-14(not saying you weren't up 14-13 at some point but last night I was 15-14). I don't know when those votes occurred because honestly the last time I looked at it was Tuesday and it was like 9-8 or something. I say leave it up until midnight tonight and then close it. I'm genreally on more at night so I'll post win or lose right at midnight and we can set up the final round? Sound fair enough @gossie21 @GonzoCat90

Edit: I actually just set the poll to close in 3 hours so it will close on it's on at 11:51 although now it says multiple votes are allowed, which isn't supposed to be like that.
 
I really don't know, but I am going to be generally unavailable this weekend. So whatever we decide let's not do anything until Monday.
 
@miracle7s what do you say we try the matchup between our teams again?

I'll set the poll up tomorrow around noon and run it for one day. Sound good? Or do you have any others suggestions?
 
@gossie21 honestly I couldn't care less at this point, if you want to match up and be in the finals go ahead. I don't really even want to fool with it anymore.
 
alright @GonzoCat90

It looks like we are in the finals.

And @miracle7s I want to express my sincerest thanks for your concession. But more importantly that you properly used the "couldn't care less" phrase when so many people get that one wrong.
 
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