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drcats2013 said:
You don’t know how hard I have contemplated drafting a former DH that played a season or two at 3B and was one of the best hitters of my childhood lol
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Man, if he played a season or 2 there it’s totally legit to put him at 3B. Now, if somebody only played a few games at a position I wouldn’t say he qualifies. But, one full season at a position is plenty enough to consider the player a 3B. That doesn’t mean they’d necessarily be a good defender, lol. But, if it’s a big bat it’s probably worth the trade off of average defense for great hitting.
 
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I thought of drafting him but I didn’t want to go through the hassle of turning a cornfield into a ballpark.
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Good one. [laughing]

Crazy story from when my Dad and I used to work on the road together, doing telecom. We went to Muscatine, Ottumwa and Dubuque, Iowa back in 2000, to do co-locates for BellSouth.

I never realized that Dubuque was where Field of Dreams was filmed at until several years after that job. I somehow either read or heard about it. I called my Dad immediately to ask why on earth we didn’t go see the field in Field of Dreams. Come to find out, he knew it was filmed there the entire time we were there.

Of course, he couldn’t come up with a justifiable reason as to why we didn’t go see it. It really blew my mind, because that’s his favorite movie of all time and we used to watch it together quite often. In his defense, though, we were working seven-twelve hour shifts for the duration of that project. Still, to this day, it aggravates the hell out of me that we didn’t go and experience it. :chairshot:
 
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Man, if he played a season or 2 there it’s totally legit to put him at 3B. Now, if somebody only played a few games at a position I wouldn’t say he qualifies. But, one full season at a position is plenty enough to consider the player a 3B. That doesn’t mean they’d necessarily be a good defender, lol. But, if it’s a big bat it’s probably worth the trade off of average defense for great hitting.
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You may have just talked me into it lol..
 
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Good one. [laughing]

Crazy story from when my Dad and I used to work on the road together, doing telecom. We went to Muscatine, Ottumwa and Dubuque, Iowa back in 2000, to do co-locates for BellSouth.

I never realized that Dubuque was where Field of Dreams was filmed at until several years after that job. I somehow either read or heard about it. I called my Dad immediately to ask why on earth we didn’t go see the field in Field of Dreams. Come to find out, he knew it was filmed there the entire time we were there.

Of course, he couldn’t come up with a justifiable reason as to why we didn’t go see it. It really blew my mind, because that’s his favorite movie of all time and we used to watch it together quite often. In his defense, though, we were working seven-twelve hour shifts for the duration of that project. Still, to this day, it aggravates the hell out of me that we didn’t go and experience it. :chairshot:
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Man, Dubuque, IA is the most god forsaken place I’ve ever been. Lol. I was there for a cpl months for the same reason as you about 20 years ago. It was March or April & I swear I don’t think I saw the sun one time. Perpetually overcast during my stay. They had gambling boats but little else that I saw. We were working 12-16 hour days though too & probably wouldn’t have done too much anyway. But, I didn’t know that’s where they filmed the movie. I knew it was in Iowa but I really wish I had known it was in Dubuque. I definitely would’ve gone. Now I’m aggravated as hell about it too, lol.
 
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Man, Dubuque, IA is the most god forsaken place I’ve ever been. Lol. I was there for a cpl months for the same reason as you about 20 years ago. It was March or April & I swear I don’t think I saw the sun one time. Perpetually overcast during my stay. They had gambling boats but little else that I saw. We were working 12-16 hour days though too & probably wouldn’t have done too much anyway. But, I didn’t know that’s where they filmed the movie. I knew it was in Iowa but I really wish I had known it was in Dubuque. I definitely would’ve gone. Now I’m aggravated as hell about it too, lol.
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Well, that makes me feel a little bit better about it now. Misery loves company. [roll]
 
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It seems like I am always writing a novel but with back to back picks, it is what it is.

With my two picks, I'm going back to my strategy with my first 2 picks, ones that will pull in voters of a certain age as well as being, I feel, top notch choices. Neither is in the hall of fame, which is an absolute joke. One because of injuries and one because of the ineptitude of the Baseball Writers of America.

My first pick, is my all-time favorite player. 9x all star, 5x gold glover, 2 x WS CHAMP.. Career top 250 in doubles, top 100 in singles, top 50 in defensive WAR, and top 20 range and assists according to Baseball Reference. I've got many others things to share, but I won't. It's a crime he isn't in the Hall of Fame, especially with some of the players at his position that are in. He was overshadowed by his teammates and I truly believe there was team bias, by the voters. They didn't want to put TOO many players from the same team in the Hall. SS, Dave Concepcion.

For my third pitcher, I'm going with a left hander that had more wins by the age of 25 than immortal lefties Warren Spahn, Whitey Ford, Clayton Kershaw and Sandy Koufax. His .686 winning percentage is more than anyone except Whitey and Kershaw among lefties with more than 100 career wins. One of the greatest high school athletes the state of Kentucky has ever produced, He still holds the record for points scored in a football game, 72. Eleven touchdowns and 6 extra points. He was a surefire Hall of Famer until injuries caused him to have to retire at 27. He played on four consecutive World Series championship teams. Don Gullett.
 
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BigBlueEric said:
It seems like I am always writing a novel but with back to back picks, it is what it is.

With my two picks, I'm going back to my strategy with my first 2 picks, ones that will pull in voters of a certain age as well as being, I feel, top notch choices. Neither is in the hall of fame, which is an absolute joke. One because of injuries and one because of the ineptitude of the Baseball Writers of America.

My first pick, is my all-time favorite player. 9x all star, 5x gold glover, 2 x WS CHAMP.. Career top 250 in doubles, top 100 in singles, top 50 in defensive WAR, and top 20 range and assists according to Baseball Reference. I've got many others things to share, but I won't. It's a crime he isn't in the Hall of Fame, especially with some of the players at his position that are in. He was overshadowed by his teammates and I truly believe there was team bias, by the voters. They didn't want to put TOO many players from the same team in the Hall. SS, Dave Concepcion.

For my third pitcher, I'm going with a left hander that had more wins by the age of 25 than immortal lefties Warren Spahn, Whitey Ford, Clayton Kershaw and Sandy Koufax. His .686 winning percentage is more than anyone except Whitey and Kershaw among lefties with more than 100 career wins. One of the greatest high school athletes the state of Kentucky has ever produced, He still holds the record for points scored in a football game, 72. Eleven touchdowns and 6 extra points. He was a surefire Hall of Famer until injuries caused him to have to retire at 27. He played on four consecutive World Series championship teams. Don Gullett.
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Funny enough I'm watching Gullet right now in the 1975 game 7 vs Boston... not his best game lol
 
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Game six was rained out 3 straight days and Sparky later said he thought Gullett had TOO much rest.
 
BigBlueEric said:
It seems like I am always writing a novel but with back to back picks, it is what it is.

With my two picks, I'm going back to my strategy with my first 2 picks, ones that will pull in voters of a certain age as well as being, I feel, top notch choices. Neither is in the hall of fame, which is an absolute joke. One because of injuries and one because of the ineptitude of the Baseball Writers of America.

My first pick, is my all-time favorite player. 9x all star, 5x gold glover, 2 x WS CHAMP.. Career top 250 in doubles, top 100 in singles, top 50 in defensive WAR, and top 20 range and assists according to Baseball Reference. I've got many others things to share, but I won't. It's a crime he isn't in the Hall of Fame, especially with some of the players at his position that are in. He was overshadowed by his teammates and I truly believe there was team bias, by the voters. They didn't want to put TOO many players from the same team in the Hall. SS, Dave Concepcion.

For my third pitcher, I'm going with a left hander that had more wins by the age of 25 than immortal lefties Warren Spahn, Whitey Ford, Clayton Kershaw and Sandy Koufax. His .686 winning percentage is more than anyone except Whitey and Kershaw among lefties with more than 100 career wins. One of the greatest high school athletes the state of Kentucky has ever produced, He still holds the record for points scored in a football game, 72. Eleven touchdowns and 6 extra points. He was a surefire Hall of Famer until injuries caused him to have to retire at 27. He played on four consecutive World Series championship teams. Don Gullett.
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Yeah it’s bs how some writers hold grudges & refuse to vote for certain players no matter how good they were. Like, how in the world was Mariano Rivera the first unanimous selection? Not that he’s undeserving but there are dozens of players I could list who should’ve been unanimous selections before Rivera but for whatever reason Hank Aaron just didn’t do quite enough to earn that 100% vote according to some butt hurt hacks who vote with their hurt feelings or to prove a point instead of using logic & on field merits.

But, I don’t remember Concepcion having any beefs with writers or doing anything crazy to lose votes. With 2300 hits & his defense he deserves to be in, IMO. But, it’ll take the veterans committee to make it happen now. He was one of my first favorite players too so I’m probably not very objective but I think he did enough. He won 5 GGs but had a chance for 10 if Ozzie had played in the AL.
 
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I have a few more pressing needs but I've been wanting to draft this guy for like the last 5 rounds.

I'll take Andruw Jones 10 time Gold Glove winner and perhaps the best defensive Center fielder of all time. He has some pop to his bat as well with 434 total homeruns.

Andruw Jones was one of only six outfielders in baseball history to be worth more than 100 runs with both their bats and gloves and also to be above-average baserunners. The six were identified as Barry Bonds, Al Kaline, Willie Mays, Roberto Clemente, Kenny Lofton and Jones.

@podgejeff_ you are up.
 
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JHannibalSmith said:
Yeah it’s bs how some writers hold grudges & refuse to vote for certain players no matter how good they were. Like, how in the world was Mariano Rivera the first unanimous selection? Not that he’s undeserving but there are dozens of players I could list who should’ve been unanimous selections before Rivera but for whatever reason Hank Aaron just didn’t do quite enough to earn that 100% vote according to some butt hurt hacks who vote with their hurt feelings or to prove a point instead of using logic & on field merits.

But, I don’t remember Concepcion having any beefs with writers or doing anything crazy to lose votes. With 2300 hits & his defense he deserves to be in, IMO. But, it’ll take the veterans committee to make it happen now. He was one of my first favorite players too so I’m probably not very objective but I think he did enough. He won 5 GGs but had a chance for 10 if Ozzie had played in the AL.
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I truly believe it was team bias like I said. You had Bench, Morgan and Perez that made it. Rose should have based solo on his baseball. To add Concepcion would mean 5 from the same team were hall of game worthy and that would be sacrilege to the media who’ve had a hard on for the 27 Yankees since, well, 27.
 
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BigBlueEric said:
I truly believe it was team bias like I said. You had Bench, Morgan and Perez that made it. Rose should have based solo on his baseball. To add Concepcion would mean 5 from the same team were hall of game worthy and that would be sacrilege to the media who’ve had a hard on for the 27 Yankees since, well, 27.
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What kills me is they have no issue whatsoever displaying the bats, balls, etc from Rose’s milestones in Cooperstown. Seems hypocritical to me. But, you could be right about Concepcion. It makes sense. Especially, when you look at the numbers of some other HOF SS’s.
 
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BigBlueEric said:
It seems like I am always writing a novel but with back to back picks, it is what it is.

With my two picks, I'm going back to my strategy with my first 2 picks, ones that will pull in voters of a certain age as well as being, I feel, top notch choices. Neither is in the hall of fame, which is an absolute joke. One because of injuries and one because of the ineptitude of the Baseball Writers of America.

My first pick, is my all-time favorite player. 9x all star, 5x gold glover, 2 x WS CHAMP.. Career top 250 in doubles, top 100 in singles, top 50 in defensive WAR, and top 20 range and assists according to Baseball Reference. I've got many others things to share, but I won't. It's a crime he isn't in the Hall of Fame, especially with some of the players at his position that are in. He was overshadowed by his teammates and I truly believe there was team bias, by the voters. They didn't want to put TOO many players from the same team in the Hall. SS, Dave Concepcion.

For my third pitcher, I'm going with a left hander that had more wins by the age of 25 than immortal lefties Warren Spahn, Whitey Ford, Clayton Kershaw and Sandy Koufax. His .686 winning percentage is more than anyone except Whitey and Kershaw among lefties with more than 100 career wins. One of the greatest high school athletes the state of Kentucky has ever produced, He still holds the record for points scored in a football game, 72. Eleven touchdowns and 6 extra points. He was a surefire Hall of Famer until injuries caused him to have to retire at 27. He played on four consecutive World Series championship teams. Don Gullett.
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Yeah, well . . . nice write-up. But you should research better before getting carried away. True about more wins than Spahn at age 25. Gee, who can't say that? As Warren Spahn's career did not legitimately begin until he was 25. He served 3 years during the War. Quite incredibly, as a point of fact. And although Warren Spahn would make up for lost time by going on to become the winningest pitcher of the live ball era, he actually had to stay in theatre longer than any other MLB player due to the fact that he had accepted a field commission, I believe this happened during Bastogne but not sure. Gullet lacks Spahn's wins, his service, his purple heart, his bronze star, his leadership abilities, and God knows what else.

Point being nothing against Don Gullet. But when you start looking among the greatest of players to draw comparisons there are some you should probably avoid. Warren Spahn is on that short list.

It has been said in this thread that a movie should be made about the life of Ted Williams. Probably so. But if you really read about both Ted Williams and Warren Spahn you may go away thinking Mr. Williams may have to wait his turn.
 
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I'm going out on a limb with this next pick but I'm a big believer in this guy's abilities. He's really just getting into what I think is going to be a Hall of Fame career. And if we're talking about peak value, he's just put in a year where he slashed 329/429/671, hit 44 home runs and stole 30 bases. He's on track to fight with Trout for the title of best player in the game. He just had to get out of the hell known as Miami.

I'll take Christian Yelich.
 
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Yeah, well . . . nice write-up. But you should research better before getting carried away. True about more wins than Spahn at age 25. Gee, who can't say that? As Warren Spahn's career did not legitimately begin until he was 25. He served 3 years during the War. Quite incredibly, as a point of fact. And although Warren Spahn would make up for lost time by going on to become the winningest pitcher of the live ball era, he actually had to stay in theatre longer than any other MLB player due to the fact that he had accepted a field commission, I believe this happened during Bastogne but not sure. Gullet lacks Spahn's wins, his service, his purple heart, his bronze star, his leadership abilities, and God knows what else.

Point being nothing against Don Gullet. But when you start looking among the greatest of players to draw comparisons there are some you should probably avoid. Warren Spahn is on that short list.

It has been said in this thread that a movie should be made about the life of Ted Williams. Probably so. But if you really read about both Ted Williams and Warren Spahn you may go away thinking Mr. Williams may have to wait his turn.
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I agree with what you say, except for the part about researching better. Everything I said was factually accurate except for the part about being a surefire Hall of Famer minus the injuries. That, of course, is my opinion. I did not mean to downplay Spahn's achievements. I just wanted to highlight Gullett's successes. It IS a fact that he had more wins by that age, whatever the reason. It is also a fact he had a better winning percentage which of course is a byproduce of the team you pitch for but is nonetheless impressive. I'm not arguing that Gullett is better than Spahn, of course he isn't. But his ERA and WHIP are very comparable, his winning percentage is better and we're talking prime which is subjective but his prime was very, very good. Now as for the military service there is no comparison, but that is not so much a downplay of Gullett as it is the fact that Spahn should be more greatly appreciated. I am in total agreement with you about that. .
 
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I'm going out on a limb with this next pick but I'm a big believer in this guy's abilities. He's really just getting into what I think is going to be a Hall of Fame career. And if we're talking about peak value, he's just put in a year where he slashed 329/429/671, hit 44 home runs and stole 30 bases. He's on track to fight with Trout for the title of best player in the game. He just had to get out of the hell known as Miami.

I'll take Christian Yelich.
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it wasn’t Miami he just sucked when he was with them. When he got traded to the Brewers he worked and got his swing corrected which changed everything for him. Nice pick though if the draft went another way i was just gonna go ahead and pair him with Mookie in my outfield
 
Taking a current player at SS. Was torn between two. Almost 3. Going with best defensive option and as far as I'm concerned this guy IS the best to ever play the position in terms of range and skill. Range is often a discussion that ruffles a lot of feathers when discussing the position. But frankly, there are at least two guys playing SS today that can chase down grounders behind the third baseman and make LONG throws to first that none of the guys y'all have drafted could do. Taking Andrelton Simmons and I'm the last team you're sneaking grounders between SS and 3rd.

@csrupp
 
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Taking a current player at SS. Was torn between two. Almost 3. Going with best defensive option and as far as I'm concerned this guy IS the best to ever play the position in terms of range and skill. Range is often a discussion that ruffles a lot of feathers when discussing the position. But frankly, there are at least two guys playing SS today that can chase down grounders behind the third baseman and make LONG throws to first that none of the guys y'all have drafted could do. Taking Andrelton Simmons and I'm the last team you're sneaking grounders between SS and 3rd.

@csrupp
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I'll take one too. Francisco Lindor

@LukaszObrzut you're up
 
I am not in this contest, but as a voter I have to defend my man The Wizard. I've seen him play many many times. He played his St Louis years on the artificial turf where the ball travels through the infield faster. You play on the grass and the ball slows down. I understand Simmons is very good, but most lists conclude Ozzie was the best ever defensive player at any position. He did things that were unbelievable on a regular basis.
 
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Taking a current player at SS. Was torn between two. Almost 3. Going with best defensive option and as far as I'm concerned this guy IS the best to ever play the position in terms of range and skill. Range is often a discussion that ruffles a lot of feathers when discussing the position. But frankly, there are at least two guys playing SS today that can chase down grounders behind the third baseman and make LONG throws to first that none of the guys y'all have drafted could do. Taking Andrelton Simmons and I'm the last team you're sneaking grounders between SS and 3rd.

@csrupp
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Simmons is awesome.
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But I gotta agree that Ozzie is the king at the 6 spot.
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Yea no debate... Ozzie is the king at SS on defense.

But Simmons is good as well in discussion for #2 which is still a great pick at this stage of the draft. Just don't compare him to the Wizard lol
 
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