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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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Is Ukraine a sovereign nation?
Did Russia invade Ukraine?
Is Russia destroying as much as they can?
Is Russia killing civilians?
Has Russia targeted schools and hospitals?

You can't answer no to a single question.

The problem starts with question 2. By question 5, you should be enraged without any concern of why Russia is there. If not, you're either a Russian apologist or a pathetic human being.
Are you dense? My very first statement was it’s possible to hold Russia at fault and not believe every damn BS story coming out of Ukraine.

The issue is bad enough without whipping people like you up into a frenzy with propaganda. We aren’t at war…yet.
 
Oh, I forgot, how about a list of some of that horse shit info coming from Ukraine.
The sailors on snake island, the Chechen leader being killed, that 4500 Russian soldiers were killed in the first 5 days, that the convoy outside of Kyiv was out of fuel for a week, that Ukraine is currently winning, that Russia fired on the Nuclear plant reactor, that radiation levels were rising, and on and on.

How many current members of congress and of the executive admin do you think got money from Ukraine? They piay an enormous reason as to why this happening. They didn’t want their money train to dry up.
 
Do you understand that it’s possible to hold Russia at fault and still realize that a lot of info coming from Ukraine is horse shit?
They desperately want NATO or the United States to intervene, pushing BS narratives is one way to do that.

How many times does the media have to get caught lying before some of you stop swallowing their hook on everything?

"...but they wouldn't lie about THIS... would they?"
 
How would they attack us at home?

Hmm ... a few million people on average illegally crossed the southern border each year for how many years? Maybe get in touch with some of them? Maybe add in some fascist organizations with clever names to hide their real agenda. Maybe fire up fast and furious again since the test run worked so well...
 
Are you dense? My very first statement was it’s possible to hold Russia at fault and not believe every damn BS story coming out of Ukraine.

The issue is bad enough without whipping people like you up into a frenzy with propaganda. We aren’t at war…yet.
Again, what is propaganda? I don't watch news and I don't read garbage from social media. Please educate me.
 
The sailors on snake island, the Chechen leader being killed, that 4500 Russian soldiers were killed in the first 5 days, that the convoy outside of Kyiv was out of fuel for a week, that Ukraine is currently winning, that Russia fired on the Nuclear plant reactor, that radiation levels were rising, and on and on.

How many current members of congress and of the executive admin do you think got money from Ukraine? They piay an enormous reason as to why this happening. They didn’t want their money train to dry up.
Ok, I never paid any attention to the following:

Soldiers on snake island
The chechen leader being killed

I always doubt death counts from the other side. It will be lower than they say but higher than the other side says - normally
We were watching the convoy with satellites.
Winning is a relative term. Russia today admitted that this is taking much longer than expected.
No one believed they fired on a nuclear power plant. That was quickly exposed as a seperate building on fire.
There is no reason I can think of for radiation levels to be rising.

So now what propaganda do you think I believe, moron.
 
Hmm ... a few million people on average illegally crossed the southern border each year for how many years? Maybe get in touch with some of them? Maybe add in some fascist organizations with clever names to hide their real agenda. Maybe fire up fast and furious again since the test run worked so well...
Wow, lol. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
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Ok, I never paid any attention to the following:

Soldiers on snake island
The chechen leader being killed

I always doubt death counts from the other side. It will be lower than they say but higher than the other side says - normally
We were watching the convoy with satellites.
Winning is a relative term. Russia today admitted that this is taking much longer than expected.
No one believed they fired on a nuclear power plant. That was quickly exposed as a seperate building on fire.
There is no reason I can think of for radiation levels to be rising.

So now what propaganda do you think I believe, moron.
Ok
 
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Refusing to question what’s happening is a sure fire way to disaster.

Nearly 20 years after Iraq and it is unbelievable that so many still fall for the same shit.
Refusing to question what’s happening is a sure fire way to disaster.

Nearly 20 years after Iraq and it is unbelievable that so many still fall for the same shit.
Once more saying if you don't question all sides - no matter how many sides there are (Near infinite BTW) that you're for U invasion by US. Total BS on your part.
 
I've heard at least 3 different versions of China's stance on the Russian operation, maybe 4, but all from "reputable" sources. I'm lmao.

All of this contradictory nonsense makes me think WE'RE the ones about to be attacked at home. They're probably waiting for us to send troops there before they do. Good grief
Best if you just stop posting. You confuse even yourself.
 
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Do you understand that it’s possible to hold Russia at fault and still realize that a lot of info coming from Ukraine is horse shit?
They desperately want NATO or the United States to intervene, pushing BS narratives is one way to do that.

How many times does the media have to get caught lying before some of you stop swallowing their hook on everything?
Examples of "a lot of info coming from Ukraine is horse shit", please. Thanks.
 
Are you dense? My very first statement was it’s possible to hold Russia at fault and not believe every damn BS story coming out of Ukraine.

The issue is bad enough without whipping people like you up into a frenzy with propaganda. We aren’t at war…yet.
Then help us by telling us a number of those BS stories coming from U. We're interested & all ears. Thanks.
 
Examples of "a lot of info coming from Ukraine is horse shit", please. Thanks.

wait, you don’t think Ukraine benefits of putting out misinformation? Hahahaha

you can get suckered into that bullshit and wear your virtue signaling “I stand with Ukraine” pin, but there are plenty of people who see through this shithole globalist propaganda.

globalists are the enemy.
 
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The sailors on snake island, the Chechen leader being killed, that 4500 Russian soldiers were killed in the first 5 days, that the convoy outside of Kyiv was out of fuel for a week, that Ukraine is currently winning, that Russia fired on the Nuclear plant reactor, that radiation levels were rising, and on and on.
OK. No one disagrees bad info comes in the fog of war. But that doesn't make the overall war - R attacking U unprovoked - scenario bogus bs. BTW, no one knows who is winning the war - defining winning as accomplishing their side's objectives.
 
wait, you don’t think Ukraine benefits of putting out misinformation? Hahahaha

you can get suckered into that bullshit and wear your virtue signaling “I stand with Ukraine” pin, but there are plenty of people who see through this shithole globalist propaganda.

globalists are the enemy.
So you laugh at your own question. You're battier than sh!t.
 
OK. No one disagrees bad info comes in the fog of war. But that doesn't make the overall war - R attacking U unprovoked - scenario bogus bs. BTW, no one knows who is winning the war - defining winning as accomplishing their side's objectives.
I never made that argument about Russia attacking Ukraine was provoked.

When your Capital is surrounded as well as many major metropolitans, you aren’t winning.
 
wait, you don’t think Ukraine benefits of putting out misinformation? Hahahaha

you can get suckered into that bullshit and wear your virtue signaling “I stand with Ukraine” pin, but there are plenty of people who see through this shithole globalist propaganda.

globalists are the enemy.

He's an idiot who gets offended and confused easily, doesn't catch sarcasm, and needs to call people names to feel better about his lack in all other areas. It gets old quick. Put the adolescent on ignore now, before you waste more time with him.
 
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He's an idiot who gets offended and confused easily, doesn't catch sarcasm, and needs to call people names to feel better about his lack in all other areas. It gets old quick. Put the adolescent on ignore now, before you waste more time with him.

pretry sure VH is a member of WEF
 
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Hmm, let's try a little reasoning here. Put the shoe on the other foot so to speak.

Let's say that Texas wanted to secede from the union and be an independent country. We granted that petition (which we wouldn't, as demonstrated by the US Civil War) with the caveat that we didn't want Texas to become a tool of Mexico and Central America (and the cartels that control them).

The problem with the agreement is that there are parts of Texas that don't want to secede. They want to break off and stay part of the US. These would be the northern and Eastern parts of the state, and the Dallas/Ft Worth area. Texas already has the agreement in place to secede before these other regions are able to assert their independence from Texas.

It leads to a conflict with the new country of Texas such that the end result is Texas shells/bombs these 2 regions indiscriminately for 8 years. In the meantime, Texas has publicly and in writing agreed to allow the cartels of the south to use their territory to create labs that explore new types of drugs to sell that are more addictive and eventually deadly to users, clearly in violation of their agreement when allowed their independence.

Knowing that the US has a War On Drugs underway with the cartels of the south, at what point is the US able to go into Texas to protect the people of these 2 regions that are being attacked without ceasing for 8 years, to allow them to become independent states in their own right, and to rid Texas of the drug labs that violate the agreement they had with the US, and that threaten the health of US citizens because of the trade border with Texas?

All of this is rhetorical, because you know what the US would do and has done to states wanting to secede, but if these circumstances were to come about, you would side not with the US or Texas because of the position of either, or reasoning therefrom, but simply because of how and how much you were INFORMED of the situation, and from which propaganda perspective you favor.

I take no side because I don't have all of the information. I have enough to know neither propaganda perspective is true. Things lie somewhere in between.

-Ukrainian survivors taking refuge in Romania have no reason to lie about being abused or shot at by Ukrainian troops. In fact they have the opposite motivation if they ever want to return home.
-Russian soldiers don't surrender without any fight unless they really don't understand why they're in Ukraine, or they're conscripted and didn't want to fight in the first place.
-Russia hasn't suffered the losses to their air force that Ukraine has said, and they also haven't lost as few soldiers as they want their people to believe.
-The Ukraine Military is not innocent of killing and abusing Ukrainian civilians, nor forced conscription of them. Doubtful that Russia is innocent of the same.

Putin has a known history. He is our enemy, but can in some operations be our ally, as Russia was in WW2. Ukraine is known to be corrupt, its president an actor (for all intents and purposes each one has been controlled by opposing oligarchs and institutions). They could be our ally in some operations, but until they act on better impulses, they should be our enemy. NATO AND THE UN, likewise.
 
How is anyone "STANDING UP to Putin!" by reading a blog/vlog or doing anything but going to Ukraine and joining their military? Complete nonsense

man, haven’t you seen Facebook and Titter, you’re suppose to join the “cause”. Make sure you get your Ukrainian booster shot for the greater good!
 
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