Go clutter up GYERO with your childish bullshit. You're out of your depth here.
Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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Now I got to actually go work my job. Thanks for the laughs. Please though…get some help before you fly off into a blind rage and hurt people.
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Great post. It’s why I blocked warrior. One day he’s going to do something and I don’t want to be associated with him when they investigate him.
MOC wants you to get your ass kicked for having a differing political opinion. Awesome.
They're just trying to get the thread closed/punted to the political thread.
This is going to be my attempt to save this thread from pages of wading bullshit.
You made the comment that current ineptitude led us to this point. I'd argue decades of failed diplomacy starting with the fall of the USSR led us to this point.
But regardless of this, I'd like to what you'd like the President to do, starting in the past 13 months, that would've avoided this conflict. I'd also challenge you to not use the terms 'Biden' or 'Trump' once in your response. I am asking you what the correct course is, not what your opinion of the administration is.
I have friends from all walks of life.Republican, Democrat, , Libertian. Hell, I even know a bonafide Socialist. Wealthy, working class, gay, straight, Trans, white, black…They all have opinions on politics. Well thought out and informed opinions. Some I don’t agree with. That’s life.
What I don’t have is a bunch of raging lunatics screaming “The evil Transgender Mooslem Illegal commies are turning our kids gays and we got to take back this country!!!!!!”. People who think what happened on Jan 6 was the best day in the history of America and believe Donald Trump is their personal lord and savior.
And I’m being very kind when I say the above because I’ve seen a lot worse on this board from the usual suspects.
So no. Sorry. That’s not what I’m saying. A difference of opinion is great for a healthy and functioning society. Spouting crazy, looney tunes bullshit from either side is not. That shit is getting more and more people killed.
No but you and that one Body Bag dude have a real habit of bringing in random right wing bullshit and things turning into a shitshow.
Just some advice. Leave it. Take it. You do you my dude.
I spend some time in VR (Oculus) using an app called Big Screen. And typing that out seems totally bizarre that I spend time in VR. But regardless, app brings together people from around the world and allows anyone to create a room for people to talk or share videos / movies. There are a whole lot of rooms on politics, religion, atheism, rooms from people in Ukraine itself, and just about any other topic or subject. And people just talk, argue and have conversations from different backgrounds. Almost inevitably at some point, everyone just gets along or laughs at same jokes...because people are just human.
Reason I point this out is because the first conclusion a lot of people make when they join is that if people could talk to each other directly, the world would be a much more peaceful place. And that's kind of changed my point of view when dealing with people I disagree with on the internet. What people type is often not a reflection of their full viewpoint and often people have reasons for what they believe. But that is lost when we type. We don't hear tone, emotion, sincerity, etc.
Didn't know US had bases in Ukraine. Thanks for the info.
He does neither. If you actually listen with an open mind and understanding sarcasm, which requires you to remove your blind hatred of him for 2 seconds, you’ll quickly realize is his point is why do we care about Putin at all?
The Dems have been pushing the narrative of Putin being our biggest enemy for years, which is blatantly false. That honor belongs to China, and by a large margin. Clinton created this boogie monster to explain her loss to Trump, and the Dems keep building on that false narrative.
Tucker and any logical person with half a brain capable of a basic level of critical thought can see the Russians and Putin have become a political tool for the left not at all based on reality.
The left hates Putin and wants to focus on him while our true enemy (China) eats our lunch. I’m sure the known financial transactions between Hunter, Joe, other political leaders, and large corporations like the NBA, have nothing to do with that though…
Tucker Carlson and every other magazine news commentator have one agenda. To retain viewers. Their goal is to evoke emotion either in favor or against that subject. And what does it say about America as a society that it's people like this who have the highest ratings -- when they essentially propagate cycles of hatred that pit Americans against Americans? We are being manipulated by media companies, both mainstream and social, to think this way.
Not going to argue against that as it’s mostly true. Just find it amusing I only see you making this point when discussing conservatives, when libs make up 90%+ of all media and social media…
Im not any wing my guy. I’m strictly anti big government bullying the world and it’s own citizens. I’m not a bush or Romney Republican.
The only people who call me republicans are commie bitches. Ironically the crowd that you try to lump me into calls me a liberal
One other thing I’ll say is while what you say does describe Tucker and others a lot of the time, it doesn’t mean they don’t throw out nuggets of truth. I 100% agree with Tucker we shouldn’t give Putin so much undeserved attention and we should under no circumstance be meddling in their affairs like we have been and currently are.
Took the bait? You’re completely on board with lying liberal media while preaching us vs them.
You are them…
Sure, you can say there is value in infotainment.
But also I 100% disagree with what you are saying. We are not giving Putin too much attention. I don't think it can be given enough attention, honestly. I think what is happening in Russia is incredibly serious and could have incredibly negative repercussions for future generations. There are real comparisons to what is happening today and what happened in both WW1 and WW2. We don't know if it will get that far, but we don't have the luxury of ignoring it.
And let's talk more about the seriousness of the situation in a more unselfish way. We are talking about a conflict that could displace millions and lead to thousands -- if not hundreds of thousands -- dead. It will displace real people with real families and real lives. If it moves to Kiev, it will lead to drastic changes in life for millions of people at best and prison camps at worst. And this is occurring in a democratic country.
If Ukraine is subject to a full takeover, it then makes Poland a border state of Russia, putting Poland at risk. It also puts them in position to take Transnitria, a disputed territory of Moldova on the Ukrainian border. What then prevents them from taking Moldova?
And with more power, Russia then can exert more influence in places like Finland. Control more leverage in trade routes. Influence the world more militarily.
And meanwhile this is an autocratic oligarchy gaining this power. How is this being blown up to be too big of a deal?
If Ukraine is subject to a full takeover, it then makes Poland a border state of Russia, putting Poland at risk. It also puts them in position to take Transnitria, a disputed territory of Moldova on the Ukrainian border. What then prevents them from taking Moldova?
And with more power, Russia then can exert more influence in places like Finland. Control more leverage in trade routes. Influence the world more militarily.
And meanwhile this is an autocratic oligarchy gaining this power. How is this being blown up to be too big of a deal?
Aliens.
Americans in general are tired of sending our kids to die for bankers and Raytheon
Don’t change our energy policy right out of the gate, don’t stop all new drilling the weekend Russia is going into Ukraine.
Don’t tell Russia they can hack some of our systems, as long as they don’t hit certain ones.
Don’t completely fubar the Afghanistan withdrawal.
Don’t remove a military response immediately.
I also contend that Nordstream 2 sanctions were removed for the sole purpose of reinstituting them when Russia made this move, solely for appearances of going something without actually hurting anyone as no gas is flowing through it.
I thought the rules created by libs is that you can't talk about past presidents or else that's a .. *checks dem playbook*
.. "What-about-ism". Do I have that right?
Stop worrying about what Trump tweets. He's gone. Focus on the topic at hand and start thinking about what you could possibly do to win midterms, aka, making the American people happy and prosperous. Because gas prices going up isn't the ticket lol.
.. "What-about-ism". Do I have that right?
Stop worrying about what Trump tweets. He's gone. Focus on the topic at hand and start thinking about what you could possibly do to win midterms, aka, making the American people happy and prosperous. Because gas prices going up isn't the ticket lol.
Are you suggesting those not wanting war are Russians?
This is something we should all get behind imho.
But the world’s not going to change anytime soon. Putin needs to distract his people from the shitshow that is Russia for the average Russian and the US has to push back because that makes the defense contractors the happiest.
It really is just all grand theater when you get down to it. And the people who pay the price are the ones that can ill afford to.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything here. Although, I'd question your comment about hacking.
One thing I do agree with, which I think is more objective, was removing the military response immediately. Do think it would've given US more leverage to give appearance of being on fence.
Russia already has Transnistria, just like Crimean & parts of Donbas. Like 20-25K Russian troops there. No taking about it. You're right about Moldova. Maybe they'll come to their senses and merge into Romania. You're talking two countries whose peoples are more alike than Russians & Ukrainians. They speak the same language for starters.
Reminds me of when trump wanted reporters and protesters beat up at his pep rally’s.
Most of the NATO countries have started to build up their armies over the last couple of years. On one side of the fence, I think it is important that countries like Germany and Poland take the lead on this situation militarily. Ultimately, I believe that is what will happen with the US offering more of a materials and support roll. Ukraine inviting in, say, 50,000 German troops would end this in a hurry.
The other side of this fence involves the perils of a militarized Europe. I have always been happy that the US has shouldered the burden of being the big Army of Europe because it keeps the peace. When wars in Europe break out, the whole world suffers. A big push by a country like Germany on this side runs the risk of breaking that seal and we could see them, or some other European nation getting more aggressive in the future.
As a whole, there is no possible way that the US and NATO can ignore Russia's efforts here. They already did that with Putin back in 2015 in Crimea and now we have this mess. Our decision not to bring a tougher response to the multiple cyberattacks and hacking over the last few years appears to have emboldened them as well. How we managed to just sort of shrug our shoulders after discovering they had been hacking government systems for months is still mind boggling to me.
The other side of this fence involves the perils of a militarized Europe. I have always been happy that the US has shouldered the burden of being the big Army of Europe because it keeps the peace. When wars in Europe break out, the whole world suffers. A big push by a country like Germany on this side runs the risk of breaking that seal and we could see them, or some other European nation getting more aggressive in the future.
As a whole, there is no possible way that the US and NATO can ignore Russia's efforts here. They already did that with Putin back in 2015 in Crimea and now we have this mess. Our decision not to bring a tougher response to the multiple cyberattacks and hacking over the last few years appears to have emboldened them as well. How we managed to just sort of shrug our shoulders after discovering they had been hacking government systems for months is still mind boggling to me.
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