This is not the case on this thread, but, on Twitter, there are more than a few people who are arguing that even a nuclear war is worth "doing the right thing" for the benefit of Ukraine. Astonishingly, it appears that most of the tweets in favor of intervention that would effectively mean World War 3 (e.g, a no fly zone over Ukraine) appear to be from the Left more than from neocons. Regardless of what side it comes from, are these people out of their effing minds? They're OK with a nuclear war? Do they even understand what that means?
Over the past 25 years I've seen the venom and disregard for human life exhibited by the left, so I'm not astonished in the least. They are NOT THE ONES that will pick up a gun to fight for Ukraine or anyone else. They talk a mean talk about equality, mercy, and tolerance, but that's all surface stuff.
Conservatives don't want war, but will fight to bring or preserve peace, because they value human lives. Liberals want drama and are prepared to let others fight to preserve that drama, because the value only their own.
Generally speaking, my acquaintances on the left that used to be my friends don't give to charity, don't care about their neighbor unless they share the same core values, and were posting on social media that they were ok with the mass culling/elimination of any conservatives or moderates that wouldn't get vaccines or that wore red maga hats. They supported the violence that destroyed homes and businesses and killed innocent people here in our country. They support shots as long as those they love don't suffer or die from them. It's OK if you or your family dies, just not theirs.
Whatever you do, don't quote their words back to them, or correct them accurately, or you'll see hatred and venom like you've never seen before. They don't know what it means to believe what they believe. They just know it sounds nice. They either don't know what horrors were committed by those that espoused or birthed their beliefs or THEY DO and still are militant about those same beliefs.
Some sample for instances-
There was a young, far-left woman acquaintance of ours that wanted to date a friend of mine. He's a well educated moderate with some very conservative stances and a couple more liberal or libertarian stances. He flat out told her where he stood and she wanted to date him anyway. They dated for a little over a month before she decided to let him know for the first time that she wanted an open relationship. Knowing all that meant and what it would lead to, he cut right to the chase.
He told her that "was fine." She was thrilled. Then he told her he "would try dating other people and would pursue open relationships with other women. No problem. This was new to him but he'd figure it out as he went." (Paraphrasing as best I remember it.) "Since she was going out of town that weekend, he thought that would be a good opportunity for him to start letting things happen as they come."
She ABSOLUTELY flipped her SHT! I thought she was going to carve him up right there on the spot. All of her friends were scared shtless and shocked! Took his side even though they were all flavors of alternative. This just made her worse. Screamed for everyone to leave a public place... lol, and basically tried to "put a curse on him." It was a Hallmark moment I was glad I got to witness.
He told me it was going to happen, too.
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Another time a friend told me about a left leaning elder at a congregation, one that supposedly mentored young or new acolytes to his faith. This guy was all over social media chiming in on conversations with a lot of pseudo-wisdom and sound byte stuff. Most of his comments were concentrated in the feeds of married women. I joined 2 groups to see what my friend was talking about.
The guy would never come right out and say it in front of the people in the group, my friend just new he wasn't a man of faith, nor did he hold to the values of any profession of faith except narcissism, but he hid it well until exposed. My friend and I said nothing directly to him, but answered his posts and questions directly by quoting the Bible and authors well-respected by his supposed faith.
My friend, seeing his attempt to slowly seduce a married woman he was acquainted with through his own wife, responded to one of her general posts with a verse that didn't NOT address the topic at hand, but would sear this liar's conscience (if he had one), if he saw it, and if he was trying to get her to cheat on her husband. There was no implication or insinuation, but the context was clearly one of a type of adultery.
He went off publicly. Lost his sht. Threatened my friend with physical harm (which was hilarious and he had no idea), and told him he didn't know the biblical Hebrew well enough to quote the verse.
While it did open the eyes of the other women and men commenting there to his hatred and unfaithfulness, it also unfortunately revealed in his friend's wife that she'd already succumbed to his seduction. She, a died in the wool conservative on every issue, was fully aware by then that he was a wolf in sheep's clothing, very liberal, and evil, and she defended him to her embarrassment for all to see except her husband.
He knew soon enough. She lied to everyone, and got them all to turn on him using the same liberal tactics that seduced her, even though they all knew them both and what she'd done well enough to know she was lying.
I learned then that some are conservative on the outside and liberal inside. All it takes is paying attention to it. Her husband already knew who was going to turn on him. He had told my friend long before he knew his wife could or would cheat on him. Their stances in issues betrayed them. He watched their actions, reactions, and listened for what they wouldn't say and when.
That was the point in my friend telling me about the situation. He had a feeling and no proof. His friend had no clue about his wife because he was working two full time jobs to support their family (and allow her to chest on him).
It taught me to watch what people make excuses for. I'm not talking about reasons and strategies. I'm talking about personal defense of in-person actions. The people that turned in this husband were ok with abortions because they dated someone that had had one, ok with gun confiscation because their friend was shot outside of a party during a drug deal, or ok with something else illegal or immoral (against their faith or the law) because they or someone they cared for had done it in the past.
Accountability and how people feel about it reveals a ton about who is a conservative and who is a liberal. It will also show you how quickly and deeply a person will hate you when things change. The national socialists in Germany were definitely left-wing, just like the klan that killed people in the south and the north.
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Rant over. Putting down the bourbon. Good night.
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