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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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So as long as they weren’t the targets it doesn’t matter if the child died? Having a father as a terrorist isn’t grounds for getting killed while you’re eating at a restaurant.

If the US is so concerned with innocent civilians dying they wouldn’t drone strike restaurants.
Sometimes you have to take your shot when you have it, you may never get it again. Sad but true. I wish the world worked the way you want it to, it would be great but we won't get there until the 1000 year reign of Jesus. Wars and death and the deaths of innocents will continue until then.
 
What tank? I was fishing most of the day and have not been on here. Caught a monster bass. It was my only bite for the day.

Edited: Went back and saw the tank. I would probably wind up like this guy.

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How big?
 
Actually we’re 100% involved. Used the CIA to pull off a color revolution funded by Obama. We removed a Russian puppet for a WEF puppet.
Sorry, can't find anything about a color revolution directed by our CIA. Most Ukrainians hated the man. Why would we need to direct anything? But lets say we did, that's within a sovereign nation. Nothing was done to Putin, he simply didn't like his lack of control. In Russia he's now claiming the invasion was for self defense.

Seems to me someone needed to attack him first to claim a right to self defense.
 
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Sometimes you have to take your shot when you have it, you may never get it again. Sad but true. I wish the world worked the way you want it to, it would be great but we won't get there until the 1000 year reign of Jesus. Wars and death and the deaths of innocents will continue until then.
That’s fine and I don’t disagree that that is how it works, but if that’s the case you can’t claim to not kill innocent civilian and children.
 
Sorry, can't find anything about a color revolution directed by our CIA. Most Ukrainians hated the man. Why would we need to direct anything? But lets say we did, that's within a sovereign nation. Nothing was done to Putin, he simply didn't like his lack of control. In Russia he's now claiming the invasion was for self defense.

Seems to me someone needed to attack him first to claim a right to self defense.

Those are the facts, man.

WEF is not our friend.
 
My point is that there are a lot of countries in 2022 who are near neighbors they don't have control of or like...and that doesn't justify a fullscale invasion. We could invade Cuba tomorrow on the pretense that Russia could put nuclear bombs in Cuba. A more rational leader in Russia would have forged a diplomatic solution going forward and not justify war because of disagreement. There is no excuse for what they are doing. None.

Wait... So you're saying that a diplomatic solution would work in NATO removing their biolabs and no longer seeking to woo Ukraine? What do you think the dialogue between Russia and Ukraine has been about for years? Borscht?

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Russia has said what their intentions are and what they wanted done. They kept saying it. They consider NATO (which is very clearly aligned AGAINST Russia) a threat, just like we considered Cuba and NK. Under Trump, dialog and strength worked with NK. Threats of military strikes (war) worked with Cuba/Russia.

After dialogue, threats didn't work for Russia with Ukraine. They even staged massive troops at the border. Then they did exercises there. How many hints should one give? Lol.

If back in the 60s Russia ran the blockade, brought those nukes to Cuba, and told us to go screw ourselves, do you think we would've just said, "OK. You can have your weapons there and pointed at us." ? I don't think so. Even though "Cuba has the right to align themselves how they see fit" because they're a "sovereign nation" blah blah blah...

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People can posture and virtue signal if they want to do so (not saying you are). That's their right. Unfortunately people choose to be illogical and ignorant on a regular basis. Russia IS our enemy. They'll be the first to tell you that. They'll also remind you that fences (boundaries) make good neighbors, and that when the sht hits the fan, every country is out for its own best interests. If the world economy collapsed, our neighbors and allies would turn on us if there was a huge economic advantage in doing so (and there is even now, which is why our politicians have been bought out).

Britain, France, Mexico, Canada... they are not our allies now (thought they were once) against certain threats which for the most part they have all embraced.

Russia did invade Ukraine territory. We don't yet know exactly what the objective is, though we know the bigger part of why. NATO should be strengthening things surrounding west Ukraine and the Baltics, if they're concerned this is just the start of invasions. Ukraine however bit off more than they could chew, and we helped shove it in their mouth. To act like our politicians didn't start this is to be willfully ignorant bordering on stupid.

We either want this to happen to Ukraine or we back off at this point with the caveat that Russia do the same. Have to show a state of readiness to do that. Biden has already let the cat out of the bag that he wants to send troops there, which many knew in October of last year that he would be itching to do this year.

He needs the distraction and drama politically, but hopefully enough people can see through this.
 
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Someone said my claim that Americans don’t kill children and civilians to be sickening. I pointed out that civilian and children have died because of the US government.

I don’t think the US government is hunting down women and children, but I believe civilians and children dying in a war is sickening regardless of intent, but pointing that out isn’t what’s sickening. The fact that is happens, is and I refuse to defend any government that does so.
Well, I agree with that. Very hard for me to support any war that I’m not fighting myself.
 
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Yes we have, and we would again if we actually wanted to win a war. War is more than just defeating an army, the will of the people to fight has to be broken as well. It's why war should be avoided at all costs, it's hell. We fire bombed Tokyo and Dresden, bombed both countries to rubble, dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan. All horrific, all necessary to end the war as quickly as possible and save American troops lives.

That isn't justifying what Russia is doing, or trying painting some moral equivalence, it's just the opposite. We should try above and beyond to not go to war in every circumstance.
My Dad & uncles were very very happy for those bombings. And they told me that till the days they died.
 
Sorry, can't find anything about a color revolution directed by our CIA. Most Ukrainians hated the man. Why would we need to direct anything? But lets say we did, that's within a sovereign nation. Nothing was done to Putin, he simply didn't like his lack of control. In Russia he's now claiming the invasion was for self defense.

Seems to me someone needed to attack him first to claim a right to self defense.

Iraq didn't attack us on 911. Neither did Afghanistan.
In fact, I think the pilots they IDed were Saudi, but we didn't attack them either....
Syria didn't attack us.
NVietnam didn't.
Cuba didn't attack us.

Do you think we'd let Canada get nukes or bioweapons from Russia or China and/or plant them along our border? Do you think we wouldn't invade Canada to keep Russia or China from putting nukes there? Apples to apples...
 
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Wait... So you're saying that a diplomatic solution would work in NATO removing their biolabs and no longer seeking to woo Ukraine? What do you think the dialogue between Russia and Ukraine has been about for years? Borscht?

In case you missed it-
Russia has said what their intentions are and what they wanted done. They kept saying it. They consider NATO (which is very clearly aligned AGAINST Russia) a threat, just like we considered Cuba and NK. Under Trump, dialog and strength worked with NK. Threats of military strikes (war) worked with Cuba/Russia.

After dialogue, threats didn't work for Russia with Ukraine. They even staged massive troops at the border. Then they did exercises there. How many hints should one give? Lol.

If back in the 60s Russia ran the blockade, brought those nukes to Cuba, and told us to go screw ourselves, do you think we would've just said, "OK. You can have your weapons there and pointed at us." ? I don't think so. Even though "Cuba has the right to align themselves how they see fit" because they're a "sovereign nation" blah blah blah...

People can posture and virtue signal if they want to do so. That's their right. Unfortunately people choose to be illogical and ignorant on a regular basis. Russia IS our enemy. They'll be the first to tell you that. They'll also remind you that fences (boundaries) make good neighbors, and that when the sht hits the fan, every country is out for its own best interests. If the world economy collapsed, our neighbors and allies would turn on us if there was a huge economic advantage in doing so (and there is even now, which is why our politicians have been bought out).

Britain, France, Mexico, Canada... they are not our allies now (thought they were once) against certain threats which for the most part they have all embraced.

Russia did invade Ukraine territory. We don't yet know exactly what the objective is, though we know the bigger part of why. NATO should be strengthening things surrounding west Ukraine and the Baltics, if they're concerned this is just the start of invasions. Ukraine however bit off more than they could chew, and we helped shove it in their mouth. To act like our politicians didn't start this is to be willfully ignorant bordering on stupid.

We either want this to happen to Ukraine or we back off at this point with the caveat that Russia do the same. Have to show a state of readiness to do that. Biden has already let the cat out of the bag that he wants to send troops there, which many knew in October of last year that he would be itching to do this year.

He needs the distraction and drama politically, but hopefully enough people can see through this.
To keep it real, you lost me at biolabs. I don’t put any merit into biolabs playing any factor at all into what’s going on.
 
Sometimes you have to take your shot when you have it, you may never get it again. Sad but true. I wish the world worked the way you want it to, it would be great but we won't get there until the 1000 year reign of Jesus. Wars and death and the deaths of innocents will continue until then.

Russia is "taking their shot when they have it," so I'm glad you understand the situation.

Fk Russia, but pay attention to what they're doing and strengthen positions in other NATO countries bordering Ukraine, Belarus, other buffering countries, etc. Them tell Russia to get the fk out of W Ukraine.


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There are no "sovereign countries" or "sovereign rights to exist" when there is a war. It's just war. That's why the term "peace through strength" is so meaningful. If you can't show you can't or won't defend a territory/border, your border, your threats, and your rights will not be respected.
 
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Iraq didn't attack us on 911. Neither did Afghanistan.
Syria didn't attack us.
NVietnam didn't.
Cuba didn't attack us.

Do you think we'd let Canada get nukes or bioweapons from Russia or China and/or plant them along our border? Do you think we wouldn't invade Canada to keep Russia or China from putting nukes there? Apples to apples...
That wouldn’t happen in Canada because we are both westernized democracies and we aren’t controlled by an oligarchic dictator. But carry on.
 
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So as long as they weren’t the targets it doesn’t matter if the child died? Having a father as a terrorist isn’t grounds for getting killed while you’re eating at a restaurant.

If the US is so concerned with innocent civilians dying they wouldn’t drone strike restaurants.
You're right. There will be innocent casualties when taking out terrorists. I can live with that well and fault the terrorist, not us.
 
That wouldn’t happen in Canada because we are both westernized democracies and we aren’t controlled by an oligarchic dictator. But carry on.
Um...Trudeau is profiting from the covid vaccines he's mandating and using force to shut down dissent from Canadian citizens. Your analysis is therefore invalidated.
 
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The best solution to this is for Biden to fly into Kyiv on Air Force One. Either the Rooskies shoot him down or they stop the invasion. Any problems?
 
What is factually incorrect about that statement?
Um, how about the part where you used a non-sequitur as an argument to insinuate Canada is not a westernized democracy. Trudeau was freely elected and has or had support of a majority of Canadians. If they don't like him, they will vote him out. That's the difference. If you disagree with his actions, write him a letter?
 
This is the 2nd time you've done this in this thread. You make a claim. Can't back it up. Then tell people to look it up themselves. If you know something, feel free to educate.
I'm neither your tutor nor your research assistant and I've already backed up my claim ITT. You start paying me and I'll be happy to acquiesce. Until then do your own dirty work.
 
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That wouldn’t happen in Canada because we are both westernized democracies and we aren’t controlled by an oligarchic dictator. But carry on.

Don't be a fkstk. You know it's an illustration.

I'll take your avoidance of the question (not posed just about Canada, and you know it) as either cognitive dissonance and/or an admission of wrong.

Didn't think I was discussing with a liberal
 
Um, how about the part where you used a non-sequitur as an argument to insinuate Canada is not a westernized democracy. Trudeau was freely elected and has or had support of a majority of Canadians. If they don't like him, they will vote him out. That's the difference. If you disagree with his actions, write him a letter?

When Canada started eliminating free speech and the right to assemble, then started closing bank accounts and arresting people for honking, they crossed over into dictatorship status. Doesn't matter one lick that people can vote.
 
The only think specific you mentioned was NATO. Ukraine joining NATO doesn't give Russia a right to attack them. NATO has never been an aggressor, ever.

I guess you inferred they had a right to attack Ukraine because Ukraine was attacking its own people. First, why is that Russias business and second, what you're really talking about is Ukraine fighting Russian separatists. Ukraine has ever right to attack them, that is Ukrainian soil.

Got anything better than that chief?
NATO has never been an aggressor? What about in Yugoslavia? One can argue that the actions of NATO were justified to prevent atrocities. One cannot argue that Serbia attacked a NATO nation. Therefore, in Yugoslavia, NATO was the aggressor, even if the aggression was morally justified.
 
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NATO has never been an aggressor? What about in Yugoslavia? One can argue that the actions of NATO were justified to prevent atrocities. One cannot argue that Serbia attacked a NATO nation. Therefore, in Yugoslavia, NATO was the aggressor, even if the aggression was morally justified.

It's really not that hard to understand, is it?

Not saying the aggression was morally justified either.
 
This is not the case on this thread, but, on Twitter, there are more than a few people who are arguing that even a nuclear war is worth "doing the right thing" for the benefit of Ukraine. Astonishingly, it appears that most of the tweets in favor of intervention that would effectively mean World War 3 (e.g, a no fly zone over Ukraine) appear to be from the Left more than from neocons. Regardless of what side it comes from, are these people out of their effing minds? They're OK with a nuclear war? Do they even understand what that means?
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see the " convoy" thats been stacked up outside Kyiv to make a breakout for Lviv.
Once that Army group coming in from the North east meets up with them, they can hold Kyiv in check.

If that happens there's going to be some serious puckering going on in NATO.
 
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