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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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Ukraine wants potential ceasefire to allow for evacuation of international students​

The Ukraine Ministry of Foreign Affairs is calling on Russia to stop killing individuals in Kharkiv and Sumy to allow for evacuations to take place, saying that students are currently "hostages" of the Russian government.
International students from countries such as India, Pakistan, and China are currently unable to leave the cities because of "indiscriminate shelling and barbaric missile strikes by the Russian Armed Forces on residential areas and civilian infrastructure," according to the Facebook post made on Wednesday.
The government agency said it would assist international students in relocating the students to safer areas if a ceasefire is arranged, but said that current evacuations are extremely difficult.
 
Good news. Apparently the nazi miltia in Ukraine is drawing foreign fighters from around the world. No idea on the #s yet but its in the 1000's. I don't think we need to worry about funding an army that later becomes a problem ... Afghan and Iraq say hello.
 
US Intelligence says a Russian Warship is carrying Marines from Crimea to Odesa, Ukraine's 3rd largest city, to carry out an Amphibious assault Thursday.
Odessa is highly jewish so they might not fight the Russians as bad as central Ukraine.
 
????? This guy >>>Zelenskyy<<< is Jewish??????


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Wiki which isn't exactly right wing... You can read it if you want to learn about real life.
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Now think of the nazi swastika. and don't even ask what that emblem on the bottom is.
 
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According to The Daily Telegraph, the Azov Battalion's extremist politics and professional English social media pages have attracted foreign fighters,[31] including people from Brazil, Italy, the United Kingdom, France, the United States, Greece, Scandinavia,[6][31] Spain, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Russia.[6][63][64] About 50 Russian nationals are members of the Azov regiment.[65] The group has used Facebook to recruit far-right individuals from other countries within Europe.[66] In 2019, under Facebook's Dangerous Individuals and Organizations policy, support for the group was not allowed,[67] although this was temporarily relaxed during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.[68]

Around 20 Croatians joined the Azov Battalion in January 2015, ranging in age from 20 to 45.[69][70] After Croatia's foreign minister Vesna Pusić confirmed that there are Croatian volunteers in Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Ministry called Croatia to withdraw its citizens from armed conflict. Pusić replied that Croatia opposes any involvement of Croatian citizens in the war, and stated that they went on their private initiative and that Croatia is working on bringing them home.[71] Interior minister Ranko Ostojić said that Croatian volunteers are fighting on the side of the legitimate Ukrainian government and are not committing any kind of crime according to Croatian law.[72]


Swedish Azov volunteers Mikael Skillt and "Mikola"
In late 2016, Brazilian investigators uncovered an alleged plot to recruit Brazilian far-right activists for the Azov Battalion.[73][74]

Members of the American neo-nazi terrorist group Atomwaffen Division have also joined the Azov Battalion.[75][76][77]

According to Minsk Ceasefire Agreements, foreign fighters are not allowed to serve in Ukraine's military.[78] Despite the Minsk Ceasefire Agreements, the regiment still has foreign fighters,[79] including an ex-British army serviceman Chris Garrett and a 33-year-old former soldier of the Greek army and French Foreign Legion known by the nom-de-guerre of "The Greek".[79]

Human rights violations and war crimes​

Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) have connected the Azov Battalion to war crimes such as mass looting, unlawful detention, and torture.[80][81] An OHCHR report from March 2016 stated that the organisation had "collected detailed information about the conduct of hostilities by Ukrainian armed forces and the Azov regiment in and around Shyrokyne (31km east of Mariupol), from the summer of 2014 to date. Mass looting of civilian homes was documented, as well as targeting of civilian areas between September 2014 and February 2015."[80]

Another OHCHR report documented an instance of rape and torture, writing: "A man with a mental disability was subject to cruel treatment, rape and other forms of sexual violence by 8 to 10 members of the 'Azov' and 'Donbas' (another Ukrainian battalion) battalions in August–September 2014. The victim's health subsequently deteriorated and he was hospitalized in a psychiatric hospital."[81] A report from January 2015 stated that a Donetsk Republic supporter was detained and tortured with electricity and waterboarding, which resulted in his confessing spying for pro-Russian militants.[81]

When they say "far right" they mean nazi socialist.
 
Odessa is highly jewish so they might not fight the Russians as bad as central Ukraine.
There are very few Jews left in Odessa. A century ago they were the 2nd largest demographic. Interestingly, there are many Jews who are part of Azov.
 
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US Intelligence says a Russian Warship is carrying Marines from Crimea to Odesa, Ukraine's 3rd largest city, to carry out an Amphibious assault Thursday.
Grim. I guess we will soon learn what kind of naval surface vessel attack capabilities the Ukrainians possess. I'm guessing they might be sitting on some drones and Javelins at Odessa to sling at landing craft. I doubt they possess ship killing missles, though I'm ready to be pleasantly surprised.
 
This guy seems pretty knowledgeable and realistic about how the war is going. He also has lots of good supporting info from various places
Tldr: the russians have no clue how to do logistics

 
Russia recently since 2014 spent close to a trillion dollars upgrading its military. It’s has drones hypersonic weapons, updated tanks, better trained military. This is concerning bc none of that is being used in Ukraine. Instead they are using up their Soviet era equipment. What are they saving it for?
It's Russia so maybe 25% of it went to the military. The rest got socked away.
 
Spot on. I think along with not paying attention, people don’t ask questions about their assumptions. I’ve seen a lot of people saying Putin is doing this to get a seat at the world’s table. That doesn’t stand up to critical thinking.

Everyone so quickly rushed to the defense of Ukraine and posted the Ukrainian flag all over the place without spending any time to try and understand what’s going on, how it started, why it started, etc. Most Americans’ critical thinking on this issue stops at “Putin is a bad guy, so that’s why this is happening.” That’s a problem. People want this to be a good guy vs bad guy story. Those are simple to follow. It’s more complex yaws than that. Most likely it’s bad guy (Putin) vs. bad guy that the US likes more than the other (Ukraine).
This isn't about who has been or might in the future be bad or good. This is about a world where the sovereignty of a nation is respected and observed. If you think it's ok to invade a sovereign nation then you are wrong. If Ukraine invaded Russia they would be wrong, but they didn't. Russia invaded them. It's that simple. Don't let your right wing media logic polite this issue because they are trying to spin the idiotic things that Trumo said.
 
So we have to have nuclear war. ... Got it. You are brilliant. Russia is just bad and no matter what happens they can't change and we can't give them a way out of being the bad guy.... it has to be war, and them backed into a corner, where they are either gonna use nukes, or become a puppet of the cia. I like it.
Obviously, you do not get it, Captain Strawman.
 
This isn't about who has been or might in the future be bad or good. This is about a world where the sovereignty of a nation is respected and observed. If you think it's ok to invade a sovereign nation then you are wrong. If Ukraine invaded Russia they would be wrong, but they didn't. Russia invaded them. It's that simple. Don't let your right wing media logic polite this issue because they are trying to spin the idiotic things that Trumo said.
Do you know the reasons that Russia invaded Ukraine? There are justifiable reasons for taking military action.
 
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It's Russia so maybe 25% of it went to the military. The rest got socked away.
Yes but, Russia has in the past saved and used older equipment in confrontations first and then when ramped up used the newer and more advanced equipment. Of course, money socked away for their leaders is probably done as well. Seems to be a common practice amongst most politicians worldwide.
 
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This isn't about who has been or might in the future be bad or good. This is about a world where the sovereignty of a nation is respected and observed. If you think it's ok to invade a sovereign nation then you are wrong. If Ukraine invaded Russia they would be wrong, but they didn't. Russia invaded them. It's that simple. Don't let your right wing media logic polite this issue because they are trying to spin the idiotic things that Trumo said.
Use this same mind thought to our nation and illegals invading and Israel's defense of their sovereign nation and people might take you seriously.
 
Why don't you go find my opinions on illegal immigration and Isreal before assuming anything. Quit being a butthole.
Don't have to find them, your past postings are under many assumed names and are all over the place but, your liberal mindset is in line with what I posted.
 
What are the reasons that Russia is fighting the Ukraine?
Yeah, the whole free world has it all wrong. Putin amassed his forces for weeks and just failed to clearly articulate the “justified” reasons for that. Those who accuse him of war crimes just don’t understand how righteous this war is. Other than the informed few, like you, Putin is just misunderstood. Too bad he just did not have the capability to clearly communicate the horror he wanted to stop. Let’s just hope as he bombs the Holocaust memorial and seeks to unseat a Jewish president, he can get all of those evil Nazis out of Ukraine and find justice after the Ukraine, EU, NATO and US have wrongly abused his image. Fight the good fight for Putin!!!
 
Yeah, the whole free world has it all wrong. Putin amassed his forces for weeks and just failed to clearly articulate the “justified” reasons for that. Those who accuse him of war crimes just don’t understand how righteous this war is. Other than the informed few, like you, Putin is just misunderstood. Too bad he just did not have the capability to clearly communicate the horror he wanted to stop. Let’s just hope as he bombs the Holocaust memorial and seeks to unseat a Jewish president, he can get all of those evil Nazis out of Ukraine and find justice after the Ukraine, EU, NATO and US have wrongly abused his image. Fight the good fight for Putin!!!
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I see several people in this thread who talk about how Ukraine is a sovereign nation and should not be invaded (I agree) but when the US is invaded (illegals) or the Palestinians attack Israel (invasion) their tunes change. Why is that?

First of all, I don't see anyone in this thread talking about illegals or Palestinians. Second of all, you are being intellectually dishonest to compare the organized invasion of Ukraine by a military power with either situation. But I'm sure you posted it for likes and high 5's, regardless of the fact it's a terrible comparison.
 
First of all, I don't see anyone in this thread talking about illegals or Palestinians. Second of all, you are being intellectually dishonest to compare the organized invasion of Ukraine by a military power with either situation. But I'm sure you posted it for likes and high 5's, regardless of the fact it's a terrible comparison.
First of all, I don't care what you see, and you missed the point. Second, not being dishonest at all, just asking to use the same standards applied in this thread to be used in other threads. There is a comparison but not surprised you don't see it. Just a making a point for a few posters. Perhaps you don't visit the threads they're in.
 
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First of all, I don't care what you see, and you missed the point. Second, not being dishonest at all, just asking to use the same standards applied in this thread to be used in other threads. There is a comparison but not surprised you don't see it. Just a making a point for a few posters. Perhaps you don't visit the threads they're in.

No, you're just making political points with out any relevance to the actual situation and sidetracking a thread for information
 
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Let's stop pretending like Ukraine is some innocent victim. The Ukrainian government and there actions have forced Russia's hand. The U.S. has played a huge role in this as well by virtually NATOizing the Ukraine.

 
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That the Ukrainian and Russian people are caught in the middle of this disaster of their governments own making is tragic, but hardly unique. This is a sad truth that has been repeated down through history as political powers jockey for position on the regional and/or global stage.
You still haven't listed those justifiable reasons.
 
Your earlier post: "Do you know the reasons that Russia invaded Ukraine? There are justifiable reasons for taking military action."

So undefined justifiable reasons float your boat. What bs.
I've been defining them, in this thread, I'm not going to repeat myself ad nauseum go look for yourself.
 
Let's stop pretending like Ukraine is some innocent victim. The Ukrainian government and there actions have forced Russia's hand. The U.S. has played a huge role in this as well by virtually NATOizing the Ukraine.

You apparently don't know Donbas is Ukraine. So how they have forced anything on Russia by this action is nonsense.
 
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