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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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JumperJack said:
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Dostoevsky should be required reading in Europe for anyone interested in not letting the horrors of the 20th century repeat themselves. So it’s not shocking that a university banned him. It’s sad, not not surprising.

Edit: looks like the university changed their mind regarding the ban. Never should’ve happened in the first place though.
 
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JBHolmesfan said:
I agree with you there. I feel terrible for the people of Ukraine. The citizens that have nothing to do with any of these are getting their homeland shelled. That’s awful. I despise war. That’s why I don’t want any part of it with American involvement. I don’t see what that has to do with Americans’ not being able to think critically and ask questions. Asking questions doesn’t mean I support innocent Ukrainians being forcibly removed from their home and worse killed. I don’t want that.
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You should be able to ask questions and think critically and I’m sorry if I suggested otherwise. I just kinda worry about a swelling of people trying to equate Ukraine to Russia or trying to find reasons to side with Putin. Ukraine has its problems, absolutely, but as a sovereign nation it poses minimal concerns for the US. Russia under Putin is a problem for us. Our 4 star generals refer to them as a “near peer adversary.” They have hypersonic missiles that can carry nuclear payload which the US can’t match (at least not stated publicly). They have state funded operations designed to undermine and compromise our democracy. A significant amount of DoD funding is specifically appropriated for the development of capabilities to maintain our advantage over Russia. It is my view that we should be happy to see a weak Russia and a weak Putin for our own prosperity.
 
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Bill Derington said:
I think we all agree that the level of propaganda from our media over this is over the top, but why?
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Thin line between propaganda and emotional bias. The media in the west has been sympathetic to Ukrainians. They want to believe Russia is failing and taking on mass casualties. They also want to see Ukraine succeed. That does lead to propaganda, both intentionally and unintentionally.

I think this is heightened in times of crisis, ie 9/11, war, etc.

But I am going to call you out on what your saying. I loathe the idea of 'the media' being the enemy. The 'media' is so much more complex and nuanced than cable TV media or your chosen hated newspaper. What you are reading now is media. It's never been more open or accessible in any time in human history. I am not sure why when people make arguments like you are making, that you restrict the definition of media to be "biases you don't agree with" when the media itself is so much bigger and more dynamic.

Joe Rogan is media. Alex Jones is media. Twitter is media. This post is media.
 
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I watched this live. That video edited out the part where he went into depth about why Putin would stop after Ukraine and not go anywhere else. Jennifer Griffith was on after him. The first thing she said was that she needed to address his comments before going further. She said its would take a full show to go over all of the distortions he threw out and that he was not an expert and was most recently a failed politician-wannabe.

Its was wild.
 
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They've weaponized the entire world against not just the Russian leadership responsible for the war, but everyone associated with Russia. They're raging against people that are/were Russian citizens and have nothing to do with what's happening. They found the button labeled "sick & twisted" in ordinary people and pushed it. They'll be able to do that to anyone anywhere simply by framing the right narrative.
 
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AustinTXCat said:
Hope Estonia maintains a good stock on-hand in case RUS acts stupid.

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Now, Estonia has put their foot in it and made themselves an enemy of Russia. Brilliant. Even if this conflict ends and Russia leaves, this has given Russia the excuse they need, if they decide to go into the Baltic States. Their leaders sold them out.
 
bkingUK said:
Thin line between propaganda and emotional bias. The media in the west has been sympathetic to Ukrainians. They want to believe Russia is failing and taking on mass casualties. They also want to see Ukraine succeed. That does lead to propaganda, both intentionally and unintentionally.

I think this is heightened in times of crisis, ie 9/11, war, etc.

But I am going to call you out on what your saying. I loathe the idea of 'the media' being the enemy. The 'media' is so much more complex and nuanced than cable TV media or your chosen hated newspaper. What you are reading now is media. It's never been more open or accessible in any time in human history. I am not sure why when people make arguments like you are making, that you restrict the definition of media to be "biases you don't agree with" when the media itself is so much bigger and more dynamic.

Joe Rogan is media. Alex Jones is media. Twitter is media. This post is media.
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I’m referring to MSM, and it is propaganda.

I wasn’t making an argument, I was asking a question. It’s not about a “ hated” newspaper or news channel, it’s all of them.
It’s not about emotions, that’s not supposed to play a part in reporting facts.

I’m The United States is not involved in Ukraine, we aren’t going to get involved. So why not just report what’s taking place? Why would their reasons be besides we’re rooting for Ukraine?
 
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Girthang said:
They've weaponized the entire world against not just the Russian leadership responsible for the war, but everyone associated with Russia. They're raging against people that are/were Russian citizens and have nothing to do with what's happening. They found the button labeled "sick & twisted" in ordinary people and pushed it. They'll be able to do that to anyone anywhere simply by framing the right narrative.
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EA Sports won’t let you play with Russian teams on FIFA. The NHL has stopped their Russian social media I believe. There are countless other performative measures like this that don’t do anything to help the cause, but only hurt Russian citizens. It’s a consequence of war, but I feel bad for the average Joe Russian who just wants to live their life and doesn’t support this war. They’re lives are getting ruined over this too. War hurts the common man more than the politician. Ukrainians are losing their country and Russians are seeing their economy tank rendering their currency virtually worthless. It’s unfortunate.
 
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Russia recently since 2014 spent close to a trillion dollars upgrading its military. It’s has drones hypersonic weapons, updated tanks, better trained military. This is concerning bc none of that is being used in Ukraine. Instead they are using up their Soviet era equipment. What are they saving it for?
 
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Girthang said:
Now, Estonia has put their foot in it and made themselves an enemy of Russia. Brilliant. Even if this conflict ends and Russia leaves, this has given Russia the excuse they need, if they decide to go into the Baltic States. Their leaders sold them out.
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How has Estonia "put their foot in it"?
 
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Wildcats1st said:
Russia recently since 2014 spent close to a trillion dollars upgrading its military. It’s has drones hypersonic weapons, updated tanks, better trained military. This is concerning bc none of that is being used in Ukraine. Instead they are using up their Soviet era equipment. What are they saving it for?
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Personally, I think the quality of the Russian military, hardware included, is vastly overrated.
 
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Kherson becomes the first major Ukrainian city to fall to the Russian invasion​

The southern Ukrainian city of Kherson has fallen to Russian forces, becoming the first major city to fall since Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine last week.
“There is no Ukrainian army here,” Kherson Mayor Igor Kolykhaev said Wednesday, according to the New York Times. “The city is surrounded.”
Kolykhaev said that Ukrainian forces have pulled out of the city and relocated to the area of Mykolaiv, a city northwest of Kherson.
Kherson, a city of 300,000 people that sits nears the Black Sea, is an important strategically thanks to its location near Ukraine's southern coast, giving the Russian military more control of the area as they attempt to push towards the major port city of Odessa.
 
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Don’t like how people are targeting others who just so happen to be Russian. But that’s always happened in war. I mean hell we put Japanese people in camps in WW2
 
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Dubya C Dubya said:
One of the comments said that the top picture in this "story" is from a known video game, lol.
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lol.....

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Wildcats1st said:
Russia recently since 2014 spent close to a trillion dollars upgrading its military. It’s has drones hypersonic weapons, updated tanks, better trained military. This is concerning bc none of that is being used in Ukraine. Instead they are using up their Soviet era equipment. What are they saving it for?
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Maybe they expected EMPs and other devices would render them less effective?
 
Putins slow motion venture into madness has kicked off a series of events he had not foreseen. And none of them are or will be a benefit to Russia.
 
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Blue Hair said:
Putins slow motion venture into madness has kicked off a series of events he had not foreseen. And none of them are or will be a benefit to Russia.
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My fear as that he sees that his country has no future and says F it and does the unthinkable.
 
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This makes more sense than anything. Maybe that's why the person on after him needed to try character assassination from the outset.

Obviously we can't trust Putin's word over anyone else's, but he's on the same footing imo as Zelensky after our interactions with him during Trump's administration.

People keep reacting like NATO is somehow neutral and it's funny to see them ignore that they are not. When people ask, "Doesn't a sovereign nation deserve to decide if they want to be part of NATO?" I just wonder why they don't know anything about NATO and what they did and didn't do during the Clinton administration. Yes. They can choose to align themselves with an enemy of Russia, as NATO has made very clear for a long long time that they are. They also can expect to see the results Ukraine has seen.

I would expect the same attitude of the USA toward Mexico or Canada, if we had a constitutional president, and these countries chose to align with Russia, build bio-labs, and buy up armaments from Russia and/China. (This actually IS rocket science.)
 
warrior-cat said:
I see several people in this thread who talk about how Ukraine is a sovereign nation and should not be invaded (I agree) but when the US is invaded (illegals) or the Palestinians attack Israel (invasion) they tunes change. Why is that?
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I didn't mean to leave you out of the bidding, btw. No offense meant. If you and @AustinTXCat would like to go in on the tank, I think we could work something out where we could all share
 
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JBHolmesfan said:
EA Sports won’t let you play with Russian teams on FIFA. The NHL has stopped their Russian social media I believe. There are countless other performative measures like this that don’t do anything to help the cause, but only hurt Russian citizens. It’s a consequence of war, but I feel bad for the average Joe Russian who just wants to live their life and doesn’t support this war. They’re lives are getting ruined over this too. War hurts the common man more than the politician. Ukrainians are losing their country and Russians are seeing their economy tank rendering their currency virtually worthless. It’s unfortunate.
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The only way I can see that Russia might possibly be held back (after Ukraine, a done deal) is tens or hundreds of thousands of Russians pouring into the streets all over Russia in protest of what their leaders are doing to cause misery in their lives.
 
Caveman Catfan said:
This raises a lot of questions.

Why would NATO let Russia join NATO? We see what a joke the UN Security Counsel has become because of the veto power of corrupt governments. Why do you think Putin asked a question to which he knew the answer? Why let a “dangerous” KGB despot into NATO?

Why do other countries want to join NATO? Is it, in part, because they fear Russia?

And, regardless of what you wrote, what NATO country had designs on invading Russia? Heck, what sanctions were in place against Russia before it invaded another sovereignty? How many NATO countries were reliant on Russia energy? How many freely traded with Russia?

How is it that you are blaming others for Russia’s words and actions?
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So we have to have nuclear war. ... Got it. You are brilliant. Russia is just bad and no matter what happens they can't change and we can't give them a way out of being the bad guy.... it has to be war, and them backed into a corner, where they are either gonna use nukes, or become a puppet of the cia. I like it.
 
Girthang said:
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I didn't mean to leave you out of the bidding, btw. No offense meant. If you and @AustinTXCat would like to go in on the tank, I think we could work something out where we could all share
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What tank? I was fishing most of the day and have not been on here. Caught a monster bass. It was my only bite for the day.

Edited: Went back and saw the tank. I would probably wind up like this guy.

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Dubya C Dubya said:
Did Venezuela backtrack ?

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Russia receives Venezuela's 'strong support'

In rare backing for Russia following its invasion of Ukraine, Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro on Tuesday assured Vladimir Putin of his "strong support" in a telephone call, according to a Kremlin…
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It looks like the block is blank next to their name so maybe they didn’t have a vote? There are 34 countries that abstained but they aren’t on that list either.
 
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Don't know much about this guy, but I keep thinking about CNN portraying Avenati as a "rock star". I start to wonder if he's in any danger at all.

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Zelensky Found a Billion Dollars and a Villa in Miami - ePrimefeed

Investigators found some unknown assets belonging to the president of Ukraine, who is estimated to have a fortune of million of US dollars. The Nezygar Telegram channel has published information about the financial situation of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. For example, the channel has...
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If you invade a sovereign nation, expect reprisals.

To those comparing this to the period between WW1 and WW2, and comparing Russia to Germany during this period, you need to stop looking at the sanctions immediately after WW1 and instead look at the appeasement of leaders like Chamberlain prior to WW2. That's where we are now. We know appeasement didn't work then, and it won't work now. Putin needs to be stopped and/or toppled. If you think he will stop at Ukraine, you are naive.
 
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