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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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Russian missile missed TV tower and instead hit Babyn Yar Holocaust Memorial Center near massacre site. Ivan = bunch of effing scumbags.


Just the kind of thing Ukraine would do and blame it on Russia, though. No way to know who did what, but the tower is still there despite reports of its being "hit by a missile." Considering they reported a Russian tank driving over a car when it was a Ukrainian armored vehicle, and took old news photos from 2018 and tried to say they were current, I'm gonna have to reserve judgment on this one until Russia says they did it.

Smoke and mirrors fooled me before. Now I doubt first

Not denying the "scumbags" part
 
Just the kind of thing Ukraine would do and blame it on Russia, though. No way to know who did what, but the tower is still there despite reports of its being "hit by a missile." Considering they reported a Russian tank driving over a car when it was a Ukrainian armored vehicle, and took old news photos from 2018 and tried to say they were current, I'm gonna have to reserve judgment on this one until Russia says they did it.

Smoke and mirrors fooled me before. Now I doubt first

Not denying the "scumbags" part
 
And Obama and Joe gave them pillows in 2014 When they needed arms.
Biden sent 300 Javelins to Ukraine in January and approved $350 million in military aid this week.
 
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Biden sent 300 Javelins to Ukraine his first week in office and approved $350 million in military aid this week.

trump gave Ukraine no wars for 4 years
 
Biden sent 300 Javelins to Ukraine his first week in office and approved $350 million in military aid this week.
That javelin article is from January 26, 2022. That wasn’t the first week of his term.
 
Yea, I was alive in the 80's. Young, but alive in the 80's, and I watched the Berlin Wall fall on TV.

And I'd disagree with what you're saying. This is far worse than anything in the 80's. Was there a buildup of military in Eastern Europe and fullscale invasion of a democratic country bordering NATO countries in the NATO? I really don't think it's even close. Think this is worse than the Bay of Pigs. The Bay of Pigs had a resolution.

In the Bay of Pigs, that conflict only ended when Kennedy and Khrushchev sat down at a table to negotiate peace and circles of influence. That is not possible in this conflict because Ukraine is not a satellite in the same way Cuba was a satellite. To reiterate a previous post, there is no out.

Furthermore, you're focusing on "anxiety." What I am telling you, is that despite your "feelings" (or lack thereof), this is serious. Far more serious than you're indicating. If you sleep well, godspeed. What difference does it factually make?
Yeah.

The point was that you shouldn't worry about it because you can't do anything about it, but I can see from your post that you are not ready to hear that yet.

As girthang pointed out, The Bay of Pigs has nothing to do with anything here.

Kennedy and Khrushchev didn't even meet during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Diplomats and generals wrote after the event was over that we came within a breath of full on nuclear exchange. They worked out a deal to remove the missiles from Cuba, while we removed our MRBM from Turkey. ICMBs did not exist then, or at least not to public knowledge.

Oh yeah, you see the US started that whole shit show by putting those MRBMs in Turkey, and Russia took offense.
 
Yeah.

The point was that you shouldn't worry about it because you can't do anything about it, but I can see from your post that you are not ready to hear that yet.

As girthang pointed out, The Bay of Pigs has nothing to do with anything here.

Kennedy and Khrushchev didn't even meet during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Diplomats and generals wrote after the event was over that we came within a breath of full on nuclear exchange. They worked out a deal to remove the missiles from Cuba, while we removed our MRBM from Turkey. ICMBs did not exist then, or at least not to public knowledge.

Oh yeah, you see the US started that whole shit show by putting those MRBMs in Turkey, and Russia took offense.
Yea I don’t read posts from girthang and quite frankly don’t see you making any objective points. To reiterate, emotion is not really relevant here. And you clearly missed the point about negotiations. I’m not sure what you are arguing.
 
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Saw this online in a thread where (I presume a Russian) someone was challenging the narrative. Once again, I have no idea nor do I give a single eff as I’m pro isolationism and national interest.

“Russia is trying to protect its borders because Ukraine has become the nest of western spies and armed against Russia.”

This sounds pretty plausible to me considering their history and the dealings with Ukraine.

So I can understand a mentality of “You guys are amassing a threat at my border and expect me to chill until you invade with great might? Uh, no.”

Do you think that that is not bullshit and propaganda? Do you level cities because there are spies there? Do you think Ukraine was going to invade Russia? You should probably stick to isolationism.
 
Nailed it.

While I don’t buy the “something is different about Putin” and “Putin has lost it” rhetoric, it is amazing to me that the linked opinion does not address all of Putin’s stated nutty reasons for invading and seems to be arguing that we should believe what Putin says. In short, interesting discussion, did NOT nail it.
 
Just the kind of thing Ukraine would do and blame it on Russia, though. No way to know who did what, but the tower is still there despite reports of its being "hit by a missile." Considering they reported a Russian tank driving over a car when it was a Ukrainian armored vehicle, and took old news photos from 2018 and tried to say they were current, I'm gonna have to reserve judgment on this one until Russia says they did it.

Smoke and mirrors fooled me before. Now I doubt first

Not denying the "scumbags" part
Warning - Graphic image.

I believe AFP independently confirmed casualties from the missile strike.
 
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Not to pick nits but the Bay of Pigs is something entirely different than the Cuban Missile Crisis, and Kennedy and Krushchev never sat down together until after the crisis was over iirc. I'm sure it's an honest mistake on your part.
This is an accurate statement. Yes, I am referring to the entire episode as Bay of Pugs, but you are correct
 
While I don’t buy the “something is different about Putin” and “Putin has lost it” rhetoric, it is amazing to me that the linked opinion does not address all of Putin’s stated nutty reasons for invading and seems to be arguing that we should believe what Putin says. In short, interesting discussion, did NOT nail it.
The truth has to be somewhere in the middle right? Putin isn’t doing what he’s doing for no reason. He’s not like the Joker who is a criminal without a cause, but he’s also not doing it to keep the peace.
 
Do you think that that is not bullshit and propaganda? Do you level cities because there are spies there? Do you think Ukraine was going to invade Russia? You should probably stick to isolationism.
The reason Russia went into Ukraine was just an excuse. They are throwing the gauntlet down to the West, specifically the United States.
They are going to destroy Kyiv, like down to rubble. More than likely kill Zelensky as a message to other leaders that oppose them.
I expect China will follow shortly somewhere.
 
No it’s not. It’s mass infanticide and it’s the biggest reason why this country will be destroyed if it’s not ended. It’s not a personal decision any more than it would be a personal decision for me to beat you until you were dead with a crowbar.

what does a country deserve whose leaders won’t stand up for innocent life ? What do those leaders deserve? I think you’ll find out the answer in the coming years

I want to see Washington burning to the ground for their crimes. You keep crying about putin who’s half a world away
My dude. You need to take Jesus name out of your signature. This is pure unadulterated hate coming out of your mouth along with threats of violence. That is not his way nor will it ever be.
 
The reason Russia went into Ukraine was just an excuse. They are throwing the gauntlet down to the West, specifically the United States.
They are going to destroy Kyiv, like down to rubble. More than likely kill Zelensky as a message to other leaders that oppose them.
I expect China will follow shortly somewhere.
No doubt. I was addressing the dipshit idea that it was to get spies. It's a huge flex to the West. I personally am shocked that China, Turkey and India/Pakistan haven't made their own moves. I assume China wanted to see what we did and will base their plans off of that. I did think it was interesting that they stepped away from Russia and all of the sudden a story comes out that Hong Kong has been rocked by Coronavirus. You know, the first bad story that their media has run. No coincidence.
 
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he stopped a section of a pipeline that wasn't functioning and was going to move Canadian tar oil. he stopped new drilling leases not any current ones. US oil and gas companies are currently using 30% of their land leases. TRumpsters are clowns.

Look at this data
who was President when Russian oil imports took a ****ing YUGE increase? I'll give you one guess, he was an orange clown.
2017 : 142k
2018 : 137k
2019 : 189k
2020 : 197k
2021 : 209k

Why is it so hard for the braindead right to look up facts?
The clown is currently in the White House, Mr. Brain Dead lefty..

U.S. Imports set record in Biden's first year
 
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Do you think that that is not bullshit and propaganda? Do you level cities because there are spies there? Do you think Ukraine was going to invade Russia? You should probably stick to isolationism.
Do you think this is just black and white and that Ukraine isn’t corrupt AF especially given their recent history? I literally said at the beginning of the message that it was what one person from that side said. We already get the other side’s propaganda fed through corporate media. I know that narrative.

I know many people question nothing and it’s complete lockstep on every single thing but maybe give pause on adopting the narrative fed. At least I’m consistent in saying I do not want us to be involved in any of it and I do not support either country or their bad and corrupt politicians.


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The news keeps saying the Russians are stalled outside Kyiv, and there’s a chance they are, but it’s more likely they’re giving civilians the opportunity to get out before they level it.
 
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