Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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Said the very same things but no one has any answers. None of this makes any sense. I actually wonder if Putin is even in control of the operation or someone else is forcing the situation.
Thank you! Yes... Talking to people about this and you're one of the first to be bringing up the things that had been bothering me. Almost everyone else had just been listening to the news and regurgitating talking points. I thought it would be different here, and appreciate your post.
Do you have a link to the interview with the general? Or the general's name by any chance? I stay away from the US news so I can keep my head clear about things until there's real info to be had.
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They don't want to raise Ukraine to the ground.
ANd it has absolutely nothing to do with not being able to afford to, or not wanting to, rebuild it.
ANd it has absolutely nothing to do with not being able to afford to, or not wanting to, rebuild it.
LOL! You thought it would be different here? You mean you thought the takes here be as bizarre as yours?
How can a soldier claim they thought they were on a peace keeping mission once the first bomb was launched? The Russian soldiers that get caught are clearly playing dumb.
First off, sorry that you have an anxiety issue. Most of us will have them at some point in life.
Just curious, how old are you?
The reason I ask is because many of us here lived through the years when the possibility of nuclear war was an everyday thing. I can remember nuke drills in grade school where they made us get under our desks and put our heads between our knees. Then we had to wait and pray it was just a drill. That was intense for a first and second grader.
In the 80s there were regular skirmishes between USSR and US forces. Some you heard of and some you didn't. There was fervent nationalism in both countries. US culture revolved around defeating the evil red scourge, kids fantasied about it, seemed every movie and book had a red villain, songs were made about it. Everyone though war was for sure going to happen.
It's not even close to that bad now. I think most all of us know that things could break off at any moment. That said, worrying about it will only make you sick. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Nothing. Stop letting it dominate you. If it happens, it happens. Then you deal with what is front of you. Get things squared away as best as you can and try to keep your thoughts neutral.
Just some advice you didn't ask for.
Or it's an anti-Putin, nwo move by people in the Russian military...
If Russian leadership was given intel (perhaps even by Ukranian officials) that there was going to be massive Civil unrest or that Ukraine was going to eliminate pro-russian political allies or citizens in greater Ukraine or just the eastern portions, maybe they would send "peace-keeping" forces in to keep them from being rounded up/genocided.
I'm not saying that is what is happening, but just giving an example of how things might be different than they appear, considering the troops thought they were on a peace keeping mission in the first place. Intelligence services in this country and others have been infiltrated and both given and ignored Intel both bad and good respectively over the years. Agencies of governments are more political than we realized even 10 years ago.
No. I thought there would be discussion rather than regurgitation, and some have been discussing here and offline. Don't worry yourself any about that.
Watching foreign news sources that you can't see here, you might have seen from the very first days that Russian troops were turning themselves in without provocation or fighting and saying they thought they were on a peace-keeping mission. No one does that the first day unless they realize something is wrong. You may think it's a ruse, but wasting time and resources during an "invasion" is not what Russia has done in the past.
RU soldiers playing dumb is intentional and in accordance with Geneva Convention.
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Thank you for posting this. It sums up well what took me decades to find out on my own by piecing stuff together. Was never certain what I found was right until very recently
This is exactly why I ask the questions I do and wait to see and decide what to think about things. This was some seriously evil sht that we allowed to happen, if not facilitate through nato/un politics. No one said anything then, and no one says anything about it since even now. Is that NOT TOTALLY Fk'ED UP?
Biggest statement of his is this-
"...4 days into a war might be a bit early for conclusive statements."
Yet that is all we have from media and their regurgitating masses.
If that was the case, Putin could have made a better case for it. He simply pontificated and no one believed. Evidence of such should have been forthcoming, but did you see any? Instead, we get gross speculation and maps that suggest to the West that there are high percentages of uglies in Ukraine that appears to be pro-Putin. Saying it could be so is not evidence. If there was evidence sufficient to warrant an invasion, why have we not seen it? Why didn’t Putin put that on display as he gathered troops for months on the border? Why did he say it was about NATO and EU acceptance of Ukraine? Doesn’t add up.
Of course some on the first day thought that. Most thought they were on the border for exercises. Notice I said AFTER the first shot was fired. All the one's getting caught are playing dumb. I clearly wasn't talking about the one's giving themselves up. You're moving the goalposts around. Your rants are bizarre. I'll just ignore. No biggie.
Apparently Russia gains or maintains air superiority. Bet Polish and Slovakian arms got twisted a bit by Ivan.
I didn't say you were "talking about the one's giving themselves up." You're being emotional. Please do ignore if that helps you. I'm not adversarial towards you, but whatever.
I have no idea what triggered you in my comments about what hmt5000 reported a general said.
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Not like it would have mattered anyway. Who was going to fly them? It would be like the army giving me a nice Apache helicopter. It would make a sweet yard ornament, I guess.
It's my experience that otherwise well meaning Americans have no stomach for the truth about what is being done globally with their tax dollars and with the consent of those whom we've "elected".
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Honest to God, every US foreign policy "expert" should be jailed. Throwing a dart at possible choices would have a better outcome than these over educated fools could ever hope for. And the US Military-Industrial Complex is equally horrific, if not actually worse.
Yea, I was alive in the 80's. Young, but alive in the 80's, and I watched the Berlin Wall fall on TV.
And I'd disagree with what you're saying. This is far worse than anything in the 80's. Was there a buildup of military in Eastern Europe and fullscale invasion of a democratic country bordering NATO countries in the NATO? I really don't think it's even close. Think this is worse than the Bay of Pigs. The Bay of Pigs had a resolution.
In the Bay of Pigs, that conflict only ended when Kennedy and Khrushchev sat down at a table to negotiate peace and circles of influence. That is not possible in this conflict because Ukraine is not a satellite in the same way Cuba was a satellite. To reiterate a previous post, there is no out.
Furthermore, you're focusing on "anxiety." What I am telling you, is that despite your "feelings" (or lack thereof), this is serious. Far more serious than you're indicating. If you sleep well, godspeed. What difference does it factually make?
My stance on this has also changed considerably over past week. I am not okay with our response. I don't think we are showing enough leadership in the area of negotiations and we are not leading the world out of conflict. We seem to have forgotten that our goal was de-escalation. I also think Europe's militarization, while at first refreshing, actually further jeopardizes the goal of de-escalation.
I do not want to say I don't care what happens in Ukraine or what happens to the Ukrainian people. I do. However, a deal has to be made or I fear NATO ends up in world war.
I do not want to say I don't care what happens in Ukraine or what happens to the Ukrainian people. I do. However, a deal has to be made or I fear NATO ends up in world war.
Saw this online in a thread where (I presume a Russian) someone was challenging the narrative. Once again, I have no idea nor do I give a single eff as I’m pro isolationism and national interest.
“Russia is trying to protect its borders because Ukraine has become the nest of western spies and armed against Russia.”
This sounds pretty plausible to me considering their history and the dealings with Ukraine.
So I can understand a mentality of “You guys are amassing a threat at my border and expect me to chill until you invade with great might? Uh, no.”
“Russia is trying to protect its borders because Ukraine has become the nest of western spies and armed against Russia.”
This sounds pretty plausible to me considering their history and the dealings with Ukraine.
So I can understand a mentality of “You guys are amassing a threat at my border and expect me to chill until you invade with great might? Uh, no.”
They're all rented/funded/or for sale
...that and the only clue the "experts" have about our domestic policy is even what they are paid to produce
Considering the accepted and adopted narrative of this in addition to George Soros speaking out, that should give pause to a sinister agenda at play. That guy doesn’t do anything without a nefarious purpose and he has a history of global chaos.
Not to pick nits but the Bay of Pigs is something entirely different than the Cuban Missile Crisis, and Kennedy and Krushchev never sat down together until after the crisis was over iirc. I'm sure it's an honest mistake on your part.
George Soros is a wanted man in Russia, or so they say. No question he wants this conflict to escalate so he can relive more of the best days of his life
Why the eff do we have to be the world’s babysitter and take in the world’s problems? Why do you and your team support globalism over national interest when our own country has so many problems?
Politically I'm sure it's worth "misremembering" just as it is forgetting Biden threatening to withhold promised aid to keep his son and his son's employer from being investigated. Much harder to do since Biden admitted to doing it on purpose and for that very reason.
Politically and militarily messing with other countries is what the gov agencies have committed to on the backs of and without the the consent of the people for about the past 140 years
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