Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

[Irish Beck]

1. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/08/politics/treasury-russia-crimea-sanctions/index.html (Big No. on that one)
2. The US needed to be bogged down in another war in the Middle East, that is definitely the way to go. Are you were willing to have Americans die for Syria? How about for Ukraine?
3.Trying to create peace with someone who is on a path to create a nuclear state is never wrong.
4.Yep, dumb.

I stand corrected on the crimea sanctions, he attempted to overturn them immediately and ended up being overruled by congress. The sanctions you linked were quickly defanged by Trump as he allowed depriashk (spelling?) to maintain control during the sanctions.

On the second point, and much like Biden failed to do so, you have to have a smart exit strategy. Trump literally blind sided the kurds and us with the withdrawal. Once again, many Republicans spoke out about how wrong this was. I believe it was colonel Powell who so wisely told us all to never enter a place without a plan to leave. We pretty consistently get that wrong. Also, Obama fumbled the bag on Syria. Yall are right about that. Set red lines, adhere to said lines.

I'll give Trump credit for getting Kim to look reasonable and hold talks. But it was evident by the fact that Kim constantly tested missiles I spite of these talks (and real pressure from China and Russia) that he was just enjoying the attention. Meanwhile, Trump canceled military exercises with south Korea, calling them provocative (as if test missile launches aren't) and spent more time praising Kim, after insulting and threatening him first, while bad mouthing Germany, France and England. Just wasn't a good look in my mind.

 

[JoeSwag]

So fun to see some of the lefties being for American interference and war if they need political capital and to see when they’re against it. Almost like they have no principles and blend in and out of whatever is politically convenient for them at the time.

Hey, who remembers CodePink? Those ladies always vanish when the Dem Warhawks choose war. I doubt we will see them even if we get involved.

So much of this theater and fake virtue signaling is tiresome. It’s just BS. We also seem to abandon any context whatsoever and simply just adopt the narrative fed to the public “They are good. They are bad. If you don’t support this, you are ____.”

 

[MoneyMuntz]

Surely either we or one of our allies has a drone equipped with a guided missile with Putin's name on it.

For the sake of 2.5M civilians in Kyiv, now might be a good time for some missiles “of an unknown origin” to rain down on that 40 mile Russian caravan.

 

[vhcat70]

Start an abortion thread and don't threaten people, you've mentioned people in this thread dying in 3/4's of your posts, and we can discuss that topic. This is a very different matter that has nothing to do with your mental illness.

Yea, WTF does abortion have to do with this war? jHc.

 

[Dubya C Dubya]

Keep seeing reports that Putin dropped a Thermo bomb (FOAB) and they were trying to get people out from under the rubble. Has this been confirmed?

Also saw where the convoy they thought was 17 miles long is actually 40 miles long........clearly they are going to surround Kyiv. This is going to get very, very ugly and sad.

 

[Irish Beck]

So fun to see some of the lefties being for American interference and war if they need political capital and to see when they’re against it. Almost like they have no principles and blend in and out of whatever is politically convenient for them at the time.

Hey, who remembers CodePink? Those ladies always vanish when the Dem Warhawks choose war. I doubt we will see them even if we get involved.

So much of this theater and fake virtue signaling is tiresome. It’s just BS. We also seem to abandon any context whatsoever and simply just adopt the narrative fed to the public “They are good. They are bad. If you don’t support this, you are ____.”

I've seen this quite a few places and wanted some confirmation, where are these warhawk lefties everyone is talking about? Like, we talking posters on this board? Congress folks? Random people tweeting?

Any sane person does not want war with Russia or any other super power in the modern age. It does not end well for any of us.

Short of an alleged Nazi situation in Ukraine, all we truly know is that Russia has invaded a sovereign nation. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

So fun to see some of the lefties being for American interference and war if they need political capital and to see when they’re against it. Almost like they have no principles and blend in and out of whatever is politically convenient for them at the time.

Hey, who remembers CodePink? Those ladies always vanish when the Dem Warhawks choose war. I doubt we will see them even if we get involved.

So much of this theater and fake virtue signaling is tiresome. It’s just BS. We also seem to abandon any context whatsoever and simply just adopt the narrative fed to the public “They are good. They are bad. If you don’t support this, you are ____.”

hahaha liberals love war when the MSM tells them to

 

[vhcat70]

You’re right about that. The far right wing groups in Ukraine have been welcomed into the Ukrainian army.

The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

 

[MoneyMuntz]

So fun to see some of the lefties being for American interference and war if they need political capital and to see when they’re against it. Almost like they have no principles and blend in and out of whatever is politically convenient for them at the time.

Hey, who remembers CodePink? Those ladies always vanish when the Dem Warhawks choose war. I doubt we will see them even if we get involved.

So much of this theater and fake virtue signaling is tiresome. It’s just BS. We also seem to abandon any context whatsoever and simply just adopt the narrative fed to the public “They are good. They are bad. If you don’t support this, you are ____.”

I find it deeply troubling how so many in this thread look at this Ukraine situation as red vs blue US problem. We should probably stop trying to point fingers and blame each other and instead look for the best avenue to stop the invasion of sovereign countries and avoid world war 3. This is a critical juncture for the future of this planet as we deal with either an emboldened Russia/China or a weak, defeated Russia with China observing. Decision making in this area should not be based on what party you support. I have seen a more bipartisan approach in DC along with our NATO allies which is imperative to resolve this situation.

 

[AustinTXCat]

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Good lord. Kharkiv (Kharkov) has suffered 5 major battles since 1941, including the most recent. If Putin increases invasion intensity, nothing good will come of it. We're talking major insurgency accompanied by widespread partisan activity, and much externally funded. Imagine Chechnya x 25. He'll require at least 1/4 million troops to even begin maintaining some semblance of order.

 

[IdaCat]

Yes.

Christian Nationalism - the belief that everyone in the United States must live under Christian rule via legislation and anyone who is not Christian or American is viewed as less than or “other” is disgusting.

Instead of worrying about themselves and adopting a “live and let live,” mantra like I do, the Christian nationalist is “live how I say and you better check all the boxes of what we deem acceptable in terms of nationality, religion and sexual preference or else.”

Same could be said if you swapped Christian for Muslin or Jewish and American for Iranian or Israeli.

Christian Nationalist? What a load of shit. I consider myself a Nationalist and I'm not religious. The only religion taking over the country is the regressive religion, of which you are a true believer.

Live and let live, yeah right! You woke pu$$y hat wearing PC nutbags are so uptight you make puritans look like party animals, but you have zero redeeming moral qualities. You've killed comedy. Everybody is judged on a victim hierarchy based on a fanatical obsession of skin color, gender, and sexuality.

You've set race relations back a century by your divisive bullshit. Your diseased doctrines are endless, "White Privilege", "Toxic Masculinity", PC bullshit, Identity Politics, Cancel Culture ....

I won't even get into the depths of your moral bankrupt depravity, but anybody who goes so far as to CELEBRATE full term and post birth abortion is a sick f**k.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

Lol

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-blames-Russia-invasion-demands-end-NATO.html

 

[Irish Beck]

Biden has done one thing well in this whole ordeal, had sime patience. It's going to require Ukrainian resiliency and patience on the world stage to prevent this thing from toppling over into full on global war. Hopefully those in control and in Ukraine have the willpower.

 

[vhcat70]

Propaganda that can even fool Jesus.

A thread.

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If he was Ukrainian his name would be Volodymyr.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

Biden has done one thing well in this whole ordeal, had sime patience. It's going to require Ukrainian resiliency and patience on the world stage to prevent this thing from toppling over into full on global war. Hopefully those in control and in Ukraine have the willpower.

hahahaha yeaaah

 

[vhcat70]

Trump did, on tape, which he was later impeached for, attempt to withhold security assistance to Ukraine in exchange for dirt on a political rival.

I think that impeachment was based on highly partisan, f-ed up DIm votes, right?

 

[Irish Beck]

Lol

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-blames-Russia-invasion-demands-end-NATO.html

What shitty journalism. A sub heading in that article states that neither person in the headline made comments similar to what the headline alleges. They may agree with the sentiment but likely would not say it out loud because it's ignorant.

 

[jameslee32]

If he was Ukrainian his name would be Volodymyr.

AI Texan.

 

[Irish Beck]

Christian Nationalist? What a load of shit. I consider myself a Nationalist and I'm not religious. The only religion taking over the country is the regressive religion, of which you are a true believer.

Live and let live, yeah right! You woke pu$$y hat wearing PC nutbags are so uptight you make puritans look like party animals, but you have zero redeeming moral qualities. You've killed comedy. Everybody is judged on a victim hierarchy based on a fanatical obsession of skin color, gender, and sexuality.

You've set race relations back a century by your divisive bullshit. Your diseased doctrines are endless, "White Privilege", "Toxic Masculinity", PC bullshit, Identity Politics, Cancel Culture ....

I won't even get into the depths of your moral bankrupt depravity, but anybody who goes so far as to CELEBRATE full term and post birth abortion is a sick f**k.

Identity politics is definitely a major issue today but the current rise in the zeitgeist is a direct response to the OG identity politics which is what the poster you quoted was getting at. The religious right, a monolith of single issue voters ushered in a counter culture of bullshit that is truly tiresome.

Let's just not act like this stuff is exclusive to one "side".

 

[jameslee32]

Identity politics is definitely a major issue today but the current rise in the zeitgeist is a direct response to the OG identity politics which is what the poster you quoted was getting at. The religious right, a monolith of single issue voters ushered in a counter culture of bullshit that is truly tiresome.

Let's just not act like this stuff is exclusive to one "side".

What would Jesus do?

 

[vhcat70]

let’s hope the Russian oligarchs can get to him

It's the Corleones against the world.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

What would Jesus do?

Probably turn water into rubbing alcohol so you can get drunk

 

[Girthang]

Girthang, you keep questioning why Putin is proceeding in the manner he is as if he's some kind of master tactician.

Nope. I just know he's not stupid. Never talked to him enough to know how intelligent he is. Is it smart to assume he doesn't have anyone intelligent advising him militarily? No... no it isn't

The guy still poisons his enemies in the 21st century.

Lol. You think he's alone in that? Are you that naive?

He's a brutish imp of a man who was molded by a hyper masculine (no PC culture, just an observation) and ruthless KGB. Everything he does is quantified by power and the dynamics that result from that power.

So you've absorbed what you've been told about him. Congrats if you think you know him from distant psychoanalysis. I'll reserve judgment until I have more information. (Once this is over and it's no longer feeding the frenzy)

Taking Chernobyl could be strategic. Could be symbolic. Could also be a feather in his cap to boost morale for his armies.

But it also could be that the man is mentally ill, in control of nukes and is putting a shit ton of pressure on the rest of the world in the hopes that he gets, well, the Ukraine?

Well, that's hedging your bets pretty well. Thanks for reiterating the common narratives we've all heard already.

I'm going to assume he just wants to re-establish the old USSR before he can't physically achieve it, and that is all this is. One massive dick measuring contest with human lives as the currency.

Well, you do you! Absolutely. Least I know how you see things.

I'll look at things as they unfold and try to get info that's not politically directed/colored. Leave the assumptions to you and the media in the meantime. For now it looks to me like he has specific goals unrelated to taking over the country itself, but if he can't accomplish those goals because the gov resists those goals, I think a complete takeover is his only option.

If that is the end result, it will diminish the overall plan, because this is not how you take-over a country. This is something else, but is morphing into a catastrophe. I wouldn't be surprised either way. Takeover or no takeover.

 

[vhcat70]

I assume someone in his inner circle is a Ukrainian agent. Or some other country. British intelligence are masters at this. And I'm not getting that from James Bond. Austin Powers maybe.

I say it's the Mossad. Bad MFers.

If they were in Ukraine, it would be all over NOW.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

What shitty journalism. A sub heading in that article states that neither person in the headline made comments similar to what the headline alleges. They may agree with the sentiment but likely would not say it out loud because it's ignorant.

Don’t blame me, blame liberal media

 

[vhcat70]

If the US sits by as Ukraine falls it likely makes more of our Allies not in Western Europe question our commitment.

Even if they do, it's BS. It's up to them first to defend Europe, not us.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

Nope. I just know he's not stupid. Never talked to him enough to know how intelligent he is.



Lol. You think he's alone in that? Are you that naive?



So you've absorbed what you've been told about him. Congrats if you think you know him from distant psychoanalysis. I'll reserve judgment until I have more information. (Once this is over and it's no longer feeding the frenzy)



Well, that's hedging your bets pretty well. Thanks for reiterating the common narratives we've all heard already.



Well, you do you! Absolutely. Least I know how you see things.

I'll look at things as they unfold and try to get info that's not politically directed/colored. Leave the assumptions to you and the media in the meantime. For now it looks to me like he has specific goals unrelated to taking over the country itself, but if he can't accomplish those goals because the gov resists those goals, I think a complete takeover is his only option.

If that is the end result, it will diminish the overall plan, because this is not how you take-over a country. This is something else, but is morphing into a catastrophe. I wouldn't be surprised either way. Takeover or no takeover.

Ukraine is as corrupt as any country in the world. They are just as corrupt as Russia.

 

[MoneyMuntz]

I think that impeachment was based on highly partisan, f-ed up DIm votes, right?

Partisan? Sure. Just like the partisan vote that followed that led to him to not be convicted. Either way it’s documented with evidence that Trump wasn’t a friend to Ukraine.

 

[vhcat70]

Biden has done one thing well in this whole ordeal, had sime patience.

Yes. He walks the beach well in DE by himself with a mask on.

 

[vhcat70]

Ukraine is as corrupt as any country in the world. They are just as corrupt as Russia.

Well no. Just ordinary corrupt.

 

[IdaCat]

Identity politics is definitely a major issue today but the current rise in the zeitgeist is a direct response to the OG identity politics which is what the poster you quoted was getting at. The religious right, a monolith of single issue voters ushered in a counter culture of bullshit that is truly tiresome.

Let's just not act like this stuff is exclusive to one "side".

The religious right hasn't had a cultural influence in decades. And it never was a threat to society like we see now with this shit.

We've been free falling into this "liberal" idiocy since at least Obama and it's gained power such that it's illegal in some private circles NOT to follow it. I don't want to hear any philosophical BS about Christianity. This current shit is a plague on the Earth.

 

[Dubya C Dubya]

Come on, people. There's a thread specifically for politics. Some of us want to see news about the damn war, you know, what this thread was created for.

NEWSFLASH. None of you are going to change anyone else's mind about their politics, so you are doing nothing but wasting your own time.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

Yes. He walks the beach well in DE by himself with a mask on.

lol joe Biden is shitting his pants while his Alice cooper looking wife is cleaning him up in Delaware. Biden is pathetic

 

[MoneyMuntz]

Ukraine is as corrupt as any country in the world. They are just as corrupt as Russia.

Corrupt politicians running a country doesn’t excuse that country being invaded. Especially when it comes at the expense of innocent civilians life and liberty.

 

[vhcat70]

This is a critical juncture for the future of this planet as we deal with either an emboldened Russia/China or a weak, defeated Russia with China observing.

Not really. John Kerry tells us it's climate change. You gonna disagree with HIM?

 

[MoneyMuntz]

Not really. John Kerry tells us it's climate change. You gonna disagree with HIM?

I’m sure you could start another thread to discuss climate change. All I’ll say is existential crises are not mutually exclusive. This thread is focused on the Russia/Ukraine which is incredibly impactful on our future for a myriad of reasons.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

Corrupt politicians running a country doesn’t excuse that country being invaded. Especially when it comes at the expense of innocent civilians life and liberty.

lol, of course you say that. Your side caused the corruption.

 

[Spica Orbit]

I’m sure you could start another thread to discuss climate change. All I’ll say is existential crises are not mutually exclusive. This thread is focused on the Russia/Ukraine which is incredibly impactful on our future for a myriad of reasons.

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You joined up yet? Go all the way, first Airborne, then Special Forces.

 

[Girthang]

Ukraine is as corrupt as any country in the world. They are just as corrupt as Russia.

Exactly.

You can attempt to get rid of it two ways.
---Takeover, wipe out the existing structure and start from scratch OR take out strategic points that are part of the corrupt system.

If the world thinks it knows you as a ruthless dictator, what would surprise the world more- the strategic option or the ruthless takeover? He didn't grow stupid overnight, but he could become irritated with the strategic option and commit to the complete takeover. There have minimal casualties so far compared to what a real and brutal takeover would claim.

I don't think he wants that or he'd have started out that way and gotten most of this overwith by now.

 

[Girthang]

lol, of course you say that. Your side caused the corruption.

Exactly. They didn't use that reasoning with Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, or Libya. It all depends on whether it serves their purposes.