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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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There’s a big difference between conservatives and people detached from reality lol
Yep: hate is everywhere.

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I’ve got to unplug from all this. Starting to have anxiety attacks. Really don’t think tomorrow is going to be good. We are in a really really bad situation with no apparent out.

Hahah, anxiety attacks?

Tell me you're a liberal without telling me you're a liberal.

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Good lord, Trumps foreign policy was miles ahead of anything we’ve had since Reagan.

You're letting allegiances fool you. Much of Putin's modern power derives from Trump's insistence on retreating from the world stage. He was very much an isolationist. The world is too interconnected for that type of thing to happen while still being isolationist. Not to mention:

1.) Trump eased many of the sanctions in place from the 2014 annexation, which prompted many members of his own party to speak out.
2.) Trump walked away from Syria in coordination with Russia, giving Putin a big geopolitical win in a tough arena. In doing so, Trump walked away from decades of Kurdish relations.
3.) Trump spent much of his time trying to woo Kim Jong Un, a fruitless endeavor, while neglecting to even work with many of our most prominent allies.
4.) Less than a month into office, Trump spilled Israeli intel while meeting with Russia.

I could go on for awhile but it all surmises to this, Trump did very little internationally. He made valid points, Germany did need to increase defense spending and ween itself off of Russian oil, but he also facilitated many of the issues we face today.

He's not alone though. Biden botched Afghanistan so bad that he had to conjure a new strain of COVID just to get away from it. He's trying to be forceful now but I'm not sure it's going to work. He also has three more years to continue fumbling the bag, so...

Either way, Trump was arguably one of the worst we've had since Reagan, and you may want to look into some of Reagan's international policies, while we're at it.
 
Hahah, anxiety attacks?

Tell me you're a liberal without telling me you're a liberal.

Good gravy
I mean, I think it’s natural to have a little concern about this stuff. This is the first time since the end of the Cold War that we’ve really had to worry, even a little, about nuclear war. As unlikely as it is, Vladimir Putin is clearly willing to push the envelope. It’s concerning. This ain’t Little Rocket Man. Putin is a killer.
 
Hahah, anxiety attacks?

Tell me you're a liberal without telling me you're a liberal.

Good gravy
This is a concerning time in our lives. Wrong decisions can lead to increased escalation and US/world involvement. I hope and pray this de-escalates but we’ve been on the brink of conflict with Russia for a long time. I think we should support people with general concerns and not bully them because you assume they have a different political ideology from you.
 
You're letting allegiances fool you. Much of Putin's modern power derives from Trump's insistence on retreating from the world stage. He was very much an isolationist. The world is too interconnected for that type of thing to happen while still being isolationist. Not to mention:

1.) Trump eased many of the sanctions in place from the 2014 annexation, which prompted many members of his own party to speak out.
2.) Trump walked away from Syria in coordination with Russia, giving Putin a big geopolitical win in a tough arena. In doing so, Trump walked away from decades of Kurdish relations.
3.) Trump spent much of his time trying to woo Kim Jong Un, a fruitless endeavor, while neglecting to even work with many of our most prominent allies.
4.) Less than a month into office, Trump spilled Israeli intel while meeting with Russia.

I could go on for awhile but it all surmises to this, Trump did very little internationally. He made valid points, Germany did need to increase defense spending and ween itself off of Russian oil, but he also facilitated many of the issues we face today.

He's not alone though. Biden botched Afghanistan so bad that he had to conjure a new strain of COVID just to get away from it. He's trying to be forceful now but I'm not sure it's going to work. He also has three more years to continue fumbling the bag, so...

Either way, Trump was arguably one of the worst we've had since Reagan, and you may want to look into some of Reagan's international policies, while we're at it.
How did Russia get into Syria? Who dropped the ball while 400000 Syrians were killed? When Obama back tracked from the red line it emboldened Russia, and they acted.
Why do you think Trump was trying to woo NK? What did NK not do after that, that they just did this past week?

Obama was an abject failure in his foreign policy, and it’s continued under his puppet.
 
Jesus in Ukraine.

"After enlisting, he went through two weeks of rudimentary military training and then settled into a unit called Sut’ Vremeni, or “Essence of Time,” a Stalinist communist movement. "
 
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Putin is not worse than the Biden or Trudeau and other regimes in the West that have worked to wreck peoples lives and livelihoods over the past 2 years under the guise of a pandemic. A contagion that they are complicit in with their gain of function research. Ditto 9/11 which our government allowed to happen to take away our freedom

The government media complex has the moral or righteous high ground over absolutely nobody. If they're portraying Russia and Putin as the boogeyman Im inclined to believe that its just a distraction from the illegitimate abusive regime that we now have in the USSA. With a demented pedophile rapist as the front man. Given that our house is engulfed in flames I couldn't give two shits about this phony crisis
This is the dumbest ****ing post in the history of this website - which is truly saying something.
 
Jesus in Ukraine.

"After enlisting, he went through two weeks of rudimentary military training and then settled into a unit called Sut’ Vremeni, or “Essence of Time,” a Stalinist communist movement. "
F that guy.
 
You're letting allegiances fool you. Much of Putin's modern power derives from Trump's insistence on retreating from the world stage. He was very much an isolationist. The world is too interconnected for that type of thing to happen while still being isolationist. Not to mention:

1.) Trump eased many of the sanctions in place from the 2014 annexation, which prompted many members of his own party to speak out.
2.) Trump walked away from Syria in coordination with Russia, giving Putin a big geopolitical win in a tough arena. In doing so, Trump walked away from decades of Kurdish relations.
3.) Trump spent much of his time trying to woo Kim Jong Un, a fruitless endeavor, while neglecting to even work with many of our most prominent allies.
4.) Less than a month into office, Trump spilled Israeli intel while meeting with Russia.

I could go on for awhile but it all surmises to this, Trump did very little internationally. He made valid points, Germany did need to increase defense spending and ween itself off of Russian oil, but he also facilitated many of the issues we face today.

He's not alone though. Biden botched Afghanistan so bad that he had to conjure a new strain of COVID just to get away from it. He's trying to be forceful now but I'm not sure it's going to work. He also has three more years to continue fumbling the bag, so...

Either way, Trump was arguably one of the worst we've had since Reagan, and you may want to look into some of Reagan's international policies, while we're at it.
1. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/08/politics/treasury-russia-crimea-sanctions/index.html (Big No. on that one)
2. The US needed to be bogged down in another war in the Middle East, that is definitely the way to go. Are you were willing to have Americans die for Syria? How about for Ukraine?
3.Trying to create peace with someone who is on a path to create a nuclear state is never wrong.
4.Yep, dumb.
 
I mean, we did give him a massive sphere of influence in Syria when we left the Kurds in the dust. Likely something similar in Afghanistan. Trump and Biden fudged international policy more than most president's in my lifetime.

But how do you dissuade him if military action is never really on the table because of MAD? American Oil independence was important for situations like this, but this isn't 1942. We could have done everything in our power to try to stop him and he'd still have the EU supporting his one cash cow. So, with that in mind, we just have to dump everything we can in Ukraine and hope it holds long enough to make him reconsider. There is no other real option.
Israel has given Russia the freedom to protect Syria not the USA

the other thing is this. If you’re an American president and you watch this build up you sanction his ass BEFORE they invade. You arm Ukraine to the teeth bEFORE Putin threatens nuke war. You work to prevent you don’t want to react and let Putin dictate what the rest of the world does. Biden chose to lead from behind and missed the window to try and avoid massive war. This is the beginning not the end
 
Oh my. Well, there are evil sick people in Russia, in France, in USA, etc. We best all get in line and wait for savior Putin to invade and clean up the streets of other countries.
What I said wasn’t a defense of what Putin is doing. Ukraine has had an issue with neo-Nazis in their country. Ukraine has formally incorporated a Nazi battalion into their military. It’s ok to condemn what Putin is doing and Ukraine bringing in Nazi battalions into their military.
 
What I said wasn’t a defense of what Putin is doing. Ukraine has had an issue with neo-Nazis in their country. Ukraine has formally incorporated a Nazi battalion into their military. It’s ok to condemn what Putin is doing and Ukraine bringing in Nazi battalions into their military.
They also are releasing criminals. They are trying to survive.
 
Lucky you're in Costa Rica when the world ends. To me, Putin sees only winning such that he won't accept any constraint & will move to the next conquest after U. It's how he gets his highs. So he's going to do whatever he has planned regardless of a nuke war threat. I've concluded he's in this to the end - total conquest or death.
Lol. I just got back from spear fishing as the sun was setting and could see the volcanos bc it’s very clear today. I mean it hasn’t rained since December and won’t until late April or may. It’s was beautiful and peaceful. I am blessed to have been here through the pandemic and this mess but Nicaragua is very close. Ortega rules with an iron fist using soviet era tanks. There is an on and off civil war in that country. The Russians have two stations in Nicaragua that are used as a staging ground to spy on the USA. So Ortega and Putin are friends. That doesn’t instill alot of confidence in me because CR has no military. I have 6 machetes ready to go if Nicaragua goes stupid. Which in the scheme of nut job dictators Ortega and his VP witch wife are at the top of the list.
 
The plan was to assassinate Hitler during his morning exercise, as he walked unprotected to the Teehaus on Mooslahnerkopf Hill from the Berghof residence. The scheme called for the SOE to parachute a German-speaking Pole and a British sniper into Austria. An "inside man" was recruited, the uncle of a prisoner of war named Dieser, who was a shopkeeper living in nearby (20 km) Salzburg, identified as "Heidentaler", who was vehemently anti-Nazi.[1] Heidentaler would shelter the agents and transport them to Berchtesgaden disguised as German mountain troops (Gebirgsjäger), from where they would make the approach to the vantage point for the attack.[2]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ope...World War II, Operation,to carry out the plan.
 
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You're letting allegiances fool you. Much of Putin's modern power derives from Trump's insistence on retreating from the world stage. He was very much an isolationist. The world is too interconnected for that type of thing to happen while still being isolationist. Not to mention:

1.) Trump eased many of the sanctions in place from the 2014 annexation, which prompted many members of his own party to speak out.
2.) Trump walked away from Syria in coordination with Russia, giving Putin a big geopolitical win in a tough arena. In doing so, Trump walked away from decades of Kurdish relations.
3.) Trump spent much of his time trying to woo Kim Jong Un, a fruitless endeavor, while neglecting to even work with many of our most prominent allies.
4.) Less than a month into office, Trump spilled Israeli intel while meeting with Russia.

I could go on for awhile but it all surmises to this, Trump did very little internationally. He made valid points, Germany did need to increase defense spending and ween itself off of Russian oil, but he also facilitated many of the issues we face today.

He's not alone though. Biden botched Afghanistan so bad that he had to conjure a new strain of COVID just to get away from it. He's trying to be forceful now but I'm not sure it's going to work. He also has three more years to continue fumbling the bag, so...

Either way, Trump was arguably one of the worst we've had since Reagan, and you may want to look into some of Reagan's international policies, while we're at it.
Boom
 
Will the west kill Putin?

Somebody surely can. Hopefully, we have learned since WW2. Don't set the bomb under heavy Oak tables.

If the West takes out Putin, it would have to take out Shoigu, Sechin, and a host of other Russian leaders, too. Some of Putin's potential successors have the potential to make Putin look like a saint by comparison and probably wouldn't take his killing too well.
 
If the West takes out Putin, it would have to take out Shoigu, Sechin, and a host of other Russian leaders, too. Some of Putin's potential successors have the potential to make Putin look like a saint by comparison and probably wouldn't take his killing too well.
Details.
 
I’m going to defend Biden, brace yourself James.
He is in a weak position right now, we can argue about how we got here later.

The one thing that can actually hurt Putin is sanctions on Russian energy, if Biden does that it hurts the world economy, and Russia still takes Ukraine. It also likely pushes China and Russia to abandon the dollar completely. All bad

If the US sits by as Ukraine falls it likely makes more of our Allies not in Western Europe question our commitment. Russia gets Ukraine or whatever portion they want. China sees how we react to an invasion, and they’re going to try to get Taiwan, it’s just a matter of time.

We defend Ukraine militarily, and China sees it as an excuse to go after Taiwan, and we’re likely in a world war.

This is a very serious situation we’re in right now, besides Ukraine.
 
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