Ok. Thank you. That's as arguable a reason as any, but not the direction I'd go with an invasion. Clearly I'm not Putin and not top brass military...
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Ok. Thank you. That's as arguable a reason as any, but not the direction I'd go with an invasion. Clearly I'm not Putin and not top brass military...
Excellent insights as well. Would be too easy at this point with communication being one-sided for Ukraine to to sabotage something and Russia be blamed. Well reasoned.
For some reason that never crossed my mind. I had a blind spot there and couldn't reason through it well.
It's no right of Russia's to dictate the policies of a sovereign nation. Now, whether NATO expansion toward Eastern Europe was the right call in the early 2000s is an open question, but Ukraine alone has the right to determine what is best for its national security and defense.
I think a possible negotiated path out of this is for there to be a divided Ukraine. Russia gets whatever Russian-speaking parts its acquired, Ukraine keeps the rest that leans more West, and then we get a neutral Ukraine whose neutrality is protected by international convention/agreement like Belgium in the nineteenth century. Not ideal for anyone, but that's why it might be a compromise that sticks.
Should have done enough to disuade him from attacking Ukraine. Now the fuse is lit. If he takes Ukraine then you are looking at the baltics maybe even Finland as staging grounds for Ukrainian rebels to carry out terrorist attacks against Russia. It’s gonna happen and it’s not going to be a pleasant response.
I'm actually leaning toward that being the point in dangling the Ukraine as a sort of carrot Putin couldn't resist. Russia's economy crumbling is inevitable in light of NWO forces, imo. China is in trouble as well, but at least has a high GDP and gold and silver reserves aplenty. If the NWO is successful in bringing down the US AND Russia to a point that they welcome UN governance (and the US abandons constitutional human rights), China is poised to crush most everything they want outside of Russia from Japan to Greece
You would think so, and I would think so, but we (the US) and others have been dictating such policy in Ukraine and elsewhere for most of a century
I could see that, but it's not likely because it's not what NATO or the US specifically wants.
Do you want Biden to nationalize the oil industry? These are private companies, they will do buisness in whatever way makes them the most money. Sure not sounding very small government to me. The real answer has nothing to do with Russia or oil. The answer is nuclear power and renewable. Once you remove the bulk of oil and gas from power grid draw you just need oil for manufacturing and gasoline until that is phased out.
It's pretty common sense why. It is directly between the Belarus staging point and Kyiv. And it had no defenses so it's an easy propaganda win.
Novorossiya is the only way out but then Putin will take Moldova. Can Europe live with that?
... I get the land part of it, but what @Bill Derington has posted makes the most sense with how many troops they committed to it.
Yes.
Christian Nationalism - the belief that everyone in the United States must live under Christian rule via legislation and anyone who is not Christian or American is viewed as less than or “other” is disgusting.
Instead of worrying about themselves and adopting a “live and let live,” mantra like I do, the Christian nationalist is “live how I say and you better check all the boxes of what we deem acceptable in terms of nationality, religion and sexual preference or else.”
Same could be said if you swapped Christian for Muslin or Jewish and American for Iranian or Israeli.
Lucky you're in Costa Rica when the world ends. To me, Putin sees only winning such that he won't accept any constraint & will move to the next conquest after U. It's how he gets his highs. So he's going to do whatever he has planned regardless of a nuke war threat. I've concluded he's in this to the end - total conquest or death.
Putin is not worse than the Biden or Trudeau and other regimes in the West that have worked to wreck peoples lives and livelihoods over the past 2 years under the guise of a pandemic. A contagion that they are complicit in with their gain of function research. Ditto 9/11 which our government allowed to happen to take away our freedom
The government media complex has the moral or righteous high ground over absolutely nobody. If they're portraying Russia and Putin as the boogeyman Im inclined to believe that its just a distraction from the illegitimate abusive regime that we now have in the USSA. With a demented pedophile rapist as the front man. Given that our house is engulfed in flames I couldn't give two shits about this phony crisis
The government media complex has the moral or righteous high ground over absolutely nobody. If they're portraying Russia and Putin as the boogeyman Im inclined to believe that its just a distraction from the illegitimate abusive regime that we now have in the USSA. With a demented pedophile rapist as the front man. Given that our house is engulfed in flames I couldn't give two shits about this phony crisis
Girthang, you keep questioning why Putin is proceeding in the manner he is as if he's some kind of master tactician. The guy still poisons his enemies in the 21st century. He's a brutish imp of a man who was molded by a hyper masculine (no PC culture, just an observation) and ruthless KGB. Everything he does is quantified by power and the dynamics that result from that power.
Taking Chernobyl could be strategic. Could be symbolic. Could also be a feather in his cap to boost morale for his armies.
But it also could be that the man is mentally ill, in control of nukes and is putting a shit ton of pressure on the rest of the world in the hopes that he gets, well, the Ukraine?
I'm going to assume he just wants to re-establish the old USSR before he can't physically achieve it, and that is all this is. One massive dick measuring contest with human lives as the currency.
Taking Chernobyl could be strategic. Could be symbolic. Could also be a feather in his cap to boost morale for his armies.
But it also could be that the man is mentally ill, in control of nukes and is putting a shit ton of pressure on the rest of the world in the hopes that he gets, well, the Ukraine?
I'm going to assume he just wants to re-establish the old USSR before he can't physically achieve it, and that is all this is. One massive dick measuring contest with human lives as the currency.
Holy shit, no.
We've got plenty of warts (Latin America in the 80's, the middle east, etc.) but I highly doubt you'd put Reagan in the same boat as Putin, no? Bush Sr./Jr.? Obama? Clinton?
They all have flaws, every single one of them, but none of them invaded a sovereign nation under the pretext that we were "peacekeeping". We responded to Iraqi aggression, admittedly attacked the wrong country in Afghanistan and are probably doing some pretty nasty things via proxy in Iran.
The moral high ground is easy, but not necessarily the best tool to convey that you hate the current administration (I'm no fan myself).
So since you don't give two shits but posted, you apparently give at least one shit & maybe a few farts.
Alright Alex, they stopped turning the frogs gay, you can go home now.
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You are way over complicating it. Chernobyl is 5 miles from the Belarus border. The power plant was just on the way as they crossed Pripyat and took zero effort to take. You don't drive by critical infrastructure and not send in a few guys to secure it.
No our government is worse with the technology at their disposal they’re the biggest force for evil in the world bar none. They despise working every day citizens and they’ve proven it in spades the last two years. I wouldn’t support Biden if he was the last bastard on earth. Whatever makes him look like incompetent scum in this so called conflict is what i hope happens
The fact that people think like this is disturbing. I’m open to different POVs but wow this is out of this world insane.
You're ate up as hell about this, aren't you? Biden is no better than Trump. You aren't talking to some red vs. blue stooge here amigo. Just because I made some Alex Jones joke you decided to wear your full body aluminum foil suit and jump right on into the pool of senility, didn't ya?
Good lord, go outside, talk to someone (but not like you post) and stop pretending to be retarded on the internet on purpose.
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Pretty easy for these types to get back on the Putin praise train when they haven't left his ass crack to begin with. Russia not only meets but exceeds all of their hopes and dreams of destruction, hate and lies.
Eh, he's a troll looking to rile some people up. If he really thinks that way, while possibly sitting in the lap of luxury that is the US in 2022, then he's horribly mistaken. We're not perfect, never have been. But we may be the best about admitting that and trying to do better, at least as a people.
Hard to believe there's an American hating conservative flouting Putin in a thread about Russia invading the Ukraine, but here we are.
It’s not insane at all. Did Putin release the China virus? No. Did he wreck millions of people financially? No. Does he abuse us on a daily basis like the Washington establishment does? Did he kill hundreds of thousands of unborn babies per year to the tune of about 60 million since 1973? Why would you support anything this country does anymore or think that we’re some kind of force for righteousness. Why would you believe anything the sick media tells you ?
Biden won’t even do anything. He can’t. Because most of the country hates our own government more than anything putin could ever do and with good reason. Our house is on fire. We can’t even intervene if it was the right thing to do. The military is weak and watered down. You don’t think VP knows this?
look I got an idea. Everyone who thinks this is a real crisis you should enlist. What’s stopping you. You love war go fight? And we’ll laugh when you’re dead before lunchtime. You don’t have the support of anyone else anymore so go please your Chinese media masters and your illegitimate pedophile president and fight
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I mean, we did give him a massive sphere of influence in Syria when we left the Kurds in the dust. Likely something similar in Afghanistan. Trump and Biden fudged international policy more than most president's in my lifetime.
But how do you dissuade him if military action is never really on the table because of MAD? American Oil independence was important for situations like this, but this isn't 1942. We could have done everything in our power to try to stop him and he'd still have the EU supporting his one cash cow. So, with that in mind, we just have to dump everything we can in Ukraine and hope it holds long enough to make him reconsider. There is no other real option.
How so?
Secularists like myself don’t view you or anyone else as lesser if you choose to have telepathic conversations with the deity of your choice. I love a lot of highly religious people. I’m just not one of them.
We just don’t want your religious teachings or the teachings of other faiths plastered on public buildings or legislated onto our backs via archaic blue laws (No liquor on Sundays, dry counties, etc.)
I’m beyond OK with religion UNTIL I am expected to live my life by the rules of said religion.
This is a gigantic media distraction because they know 90 percent of the country despises our current regime here. So they need a foreign enemy to try and drum up some kind of support and phony patriotism. It’s not gonna work. Nobody believes the MSM any longer. Putin is a mafia thug but he’s by far the lesser of two evils when it comes to the 6uild 6ack 6etter Soros crowd that’s the truth sorry
id support the Taliban over anyone that our media was on the side of. They are in the 9th circle of hell
id support the Taliban over anyone that our media was on the side of. They are in the 9th circle of hell
You're being a dick and not really contributing. It was natural we would discuss politics in this thread, but why are you talking about abortion? You think our government goes out and personally kills the unborn? The media? You're worried about the media? I got news for you man, that corner you retreated to for "news" is also controlled by powers that want to sway you. You're not smarter than everyone else because you are a founding member of the ALL AMERICAN RED BLOOD NEWS NETWORK.
It's also interesting that you are positing that we love war. I sure as hell don't. Doubt anyone posting here wants Russia fighting Ukraine right now. Why? Because our next global war will be humanity's last. No interest in that here, friend.
Our house is on fire, for sure, but it's on fire because people like you exist and push narratives and can't spend 10 minutes thinking to talk to someone and reach a logical conclusion about something without jumping tangents to something completely unrelated. One issue at a time, please.
First, I know you are political, but this might work better if you drop your assumptions about me and we discuss this.
Second, I am all for modern nuclear power and local energy like natural gas. Renewables are a feel good supplement, but they cannot carry the day right now, or come even close.
Finally, to answer your question, I am for making sure we are not energy reliant on despots and aggressors who would threaten nuclear war to get his way.
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90% of our country just wants to be left alone. The 10% of you guys (on both sides) trying to rally in the streets against a fake oppressor are the real issue here.
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