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Some reports that the parties have agreed to topics related to negotiations and to reconvene. It is my understanding that Ukraine required a seize fire for those talks. Are those still on?
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Some reports that the parties have agreed to topics related to negotiations and to reconvene. It is my understanding that Ukraine required a seize fire for those talks. Are those still on?
Trump is not president.
If you cannot see the damage your president has done and is doing to this country there is no hope for you. That is why it is foolish to have a dialog. We are not on the same political planet. You are just going to have to live through and survive if you are able. I have found most liberals are weak minded and unable to take care of their lives. They need the government for that.
Fortunately I will not suffer like many Americans because I am 100% debt free and there is nothing I need to buy other than groceries and necessities. But I raise much of that so no problem there. But I feel for others knowing it did not have to be like this.
But some are "Beginning to See The Light"
You’ll be a Daisy if you can find any discussion on this or any forum where I expressed a lack knowledge of the Gulf of Tonkin incident/resolution . . . I live scarcely twenty miles from the home of the one Senator who voted against it, John Sherman Cooper, and studied it in detail in college and on my own.
But as your response is filled with the meandering revisionist views pushed upon us for seventy years by the enemies of Democracy, par for the course.
You actually used our action against Khadafi in your response, and then complain that Ukraine “is not a democracy?”
As I’ve noted in the past, if we are unable as a Republic to have the moral clarity to very clearly distinguish between the evil that was M. Khadafi and the heroic, fledgling democratic efforts in Ukraine, then we are doomed by moral relativism, which has now infected those who claim to be Conservative.
You actually ask in your response why the world has reacted so strongly to Russia’s actions in Ukraine, but was quiet regarding Libya???
Perhaps that is a hint that the rest of the world is capable of making a clear moral distinction between two situations that are as comparable as a firecracker to a five hundred pound block-buster.
But as your post proves, some lack that moral clarity.
Because some people (woke women?) evidently learn about current events from the View.
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do you know what years TRump was President? 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020. we only have partial data for 2021 and no data for 2022 and a 3rd year hasn't happened yet you genius. and the prior 8 years was a mixed bag. with the 2009 spike and then quick decline. Some of the Obama years were higher and some were lower. Bush's almost depression did crazy things to economies.
U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels)
| Decade | Year-0 | Year-1 | Year-2 | Year-3 | Year-4 | Year-5 | Year-6 | Year-7 | Year-8 | Year-9 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1990's | 9,071 | 9,251 | 4,725 | 8,683 | 32,611 | |||||
| 2000's | 26,382 | 32,783 | 76,690 | 92,711 | 109,151 | 149,681 | 134,646 | 151,074 | 170,264 | 205,525 |
| 2010's | 223,370 | 227,774 | 174,612 | 168,024 | 120,345 | 135,247 | 161,286 | 142,011 | 137,010 | 189,786 |
| 2020's | 197,720 |
Idk if any of this is good. Unity is good but more perceived provocation is bad. Unfortunately that’s how Putin sees it. The economic toll on the Russian economy is a very concerning issue. On the one hand you have to do something but tanking their economy and creating hyperinflation is not going to end well for anyone. I fear we aren’t dissuading Putin rather emboldening him to use nukes. The way this is being handled is going to lead to nuclear war. It’s very very concerning. It seems the popular thing to do is to just take swipes at russias economy like other popular moves it doesn’t make it the right one.
i hate the nazi Germany comparisons but I think this one is real. So much economic pressure was put on Germany after ww1 that it lead to something far worse and that’s what’s being done here. The far worse outcome this time will result in massive nuclear war. I hope these western leaders and Biden thumping their chest over strangling Russia understand no one will be around to analyze their mistakes. If much of this was to be done it should have been done during the build up in order to give russia an out. Now there is no out for russia other than humiliation and their economy is going to suffer an irreparable collapse regardless.
What's the alternative? Boots on the ground and expediting the need for Nuclear War?
It's 2022 and Russia just invaded a sovereign nation for the second time in the past ten years. That can't, and won't, go unpunished.
We're being harsher this time because he's trying to take the whole country instead of a tiny, albeit strategic, region.
It's 2022 and Russia just invaded a sovereign nation for the second time in the past ten years. That can't, and won't, go unpunished.
We're being harsher this time because he's trying to take the whole country instead of a tiny, albeit strategic, region.
Do you agree that the president should inform our country that he is taking immediate steps to lessen our intake of oil and gas from Russia? He has accepted NATO’s leadership on this, but as a country, should we not seek the ability to be energy independent? And, should we be paying Russia for energy?
Russia denied again and again that they planned to invade Ukraine, even when our intel clearly showed that to be their intent. Russia didn't have to invade Ukraine, but they did, and they are suffering the consequences, which they were told would happen. Russia made their bed, and they are lying in it now.
Don't even think about appeasing Putin and Russia, that is insane, they've already shown themselves to be liars and aggressors. They brought this fight. Let 'em hang in the wind.
Valid points, but at some point you can’t allow an authoritarian dictator to invade whatever country they want bc they can threaten the use of nuclear weapons. If we let his leverage of threatening nukes to impact our decisions such that we don’t utilize the options on the table then it spells disaster for Russia/China/etc. future invasions down the road.
None of us here are experts on the geopolitics or understand the inner workings of these negotiations, but I do not think Putin will use a Nuke, particularly on NATO countries. While Putin does seems relatively unhinged, one thing is certain that he’s scared of dying, as evidenced by his covid paranoia. The min he launched his first nuke, he’d be dead within 10min and Russia would cease to exist. I could see him potentially using a Nuke tactically in Ukraine, because he’s losing at the moment.
Why don’t you post the graph that is front and center of the link you provided?
Listen, you can spin all you like, but oil is at and has been above $90 a barrel for some time. Normally, US oil production would spike, but it isn’t. However, our consumption of Russian oil has, and the POTUS has no intention of cutting it or relaxing restrictions he put in place on US oil production.
All he has to do is come out and support US oil production and he would immediately garner support, but he won’t.
If Putin uses a nuke anywhere he risks full scale war from everywhere but China. And, even then, I highly doubt China is just going to start getting involved on their behalf if that were to happen. They've got their own invasion to plan in the next year and are learning a ton from Putin on how NOT to take over a country.
This discussion has been going on and off for a while in here, a few pages back I posted an article from Market Watch interviewing people involved in the oil industry. Their take was that, as of December, there was still a lot of concern about near to mid future demand for oil because of the uncertainty about what covid would look like and what countries in the world would be doing in response to covid. They also noted that US shale oil producers are choosing to use these higher prices to pay dividends to shareholders rather than invest in increasing production. None of Biden's moves have impacted current production (but could have some impacts in future production levels), but the article did mention, as something secondary to those other factors, that investors aren't encouraged by the shaky relationship between Biden and fossil fuel companies. The analyst quoted there projected 6% growth in US production over 2022. These recent developments could affect that, obviously.
You responded on this forum 6m ago that I was wrong and completely un-American for suggesting the Gulf of Tonkin incident was questionable, in spite of the government saying so. Unless you edited/deleted your comments in that regard, they are still available to read.
If you DID delete them, I'm not the one without moral clarity.
Putin isn't nuking anyone or anything. A cyber attack? Now that's a possibility.
Russian forces have already gone into siege formation around major Ukrainian cities. It appears they will try and starve the Ukraine forces out.
What I fear now is that some super well trained Russian anti air commander mistakenly shoots down a NATO plane doing an air drop. That would make things...complicated.
There are only 2 other alternatives. Boots on the ground and ignoring him and allowing him to attack anyone he pleases. I don't believe he's in the mood to die which is what he and everyone else on earth would do if he launched nukes. Screw him. He made his bed, he can lie in it.
I do agree he likely isn’t nuking anyone. I leave the possibility in Ukraine specifically. That would assure “victory”. I am not certain their ground forces have the motivation or the organization to defeat a passionate and United Ukrainian defense.
Then you shouldn't have responded ignorantly when I brought it up a while back.
Ah, the fallacies... and aspersions are cast. Lol
Emotional much? I didn't complain that Ukraine isn't a democracy, because I was under no such illusion. Memes and propaganda about being un-American for not unqestionably supporting Ukraine are the ones touting Ukraine as a democracy that we should support.
Do you mean the moral clarity to call Menachem Begin a murderer for bombing a hotel and killing 100 people? Or the moral clarity to admit we put Saddam and Castro in power? Or the moral clarity to admit that these most recent 2 Dem admins refused to defend US citizens and non-muslim refugees abroad? Or the moral clarity of Fast and Furious, nationwide destruction of property and lives while police stood down?
Pull your head out and wipe your ears. You have it backwards. Ukraine WAS briefly a democracy, but now is not, because of our influence.
Not Libya in general you doink. Lol. OUR US SECRETARY OF STATE promoting terrorist activities and selling weapons to an enemy of THE SAME in another sovereign country (Libya) decades removed from Khadafi's terrorist activities.
For someone who knows how to type, you sure don't know sht about the world and how it works and has worked over the past 100yrs. War is not moral or immoral. It is war. There is no morality in war. There is simply death and destruction or peace.
Ukraine has been "at war" with Russia since Obama was in office. Russia just declared war with Ukraine since Biden took office. Why now?
If it was just about invading and taking over the country, why did they do it so ineptly and without a clear objective, as is readily apparent at this time? You don't know JACK about this conflict except what you've seen and read in the media. You've heard one side of the entire thing, and would admit that if you had any "moral clarity."
I've not made any decisions on this conflict because I know I don't have all the information to completely and thoroughly do so. I have enough "moral clarity" to know that every country in the world is a potential enemy of a weakened USA. Putin has never NOT BEEN and enemy of the US. THAT FACT does not automatically make Ukraine the moral choice between the 2 in this conflict. I can separate emotion from facts and opinions from reality.
Can you?
Your definition of "proof" is lacking in clarity and morality. Best of luck with that.
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At least they're trying to appear neutral. Maybe Turkey should be helping negotiate the peace between Ukraine and Russia.
See, now this is where it makes no sense for me.
The cyberattacks should have come before, and I don't mean some shoddy hacking attempts that could've been made to look like anyone did them. The Russians could've taken down the country through cyber attacks before the overt military actions. They could have taken out everything in terms of energy infrastructure and communications at the beginning and they didn't even try.
Seige formation? I haven't seen that yet but will take your word for it. How, if they are that "inept," are the Russians going to besiege cities with faltering supply lines, no gas, and so many troops surrendering? None of this makes any sense. It's like a bad JJ Abrams script- no amount of CGI is going to make it a good movie.
Your last comment is well aimed, I think, but I kind of think that's the WHOLE POINT of this exercise/conflict. Putin doesn't want NATO on his doorstep. He doesn't trust them, and he probably shouldn't. If Ukraine had remained neutral toward Russia and not allowed NATO govs and corporations to heavily influence them, would Russia have bothered with them at all? He's left the Baltic states alone to this point....
Without checking, my recollection is that oil jumped from $50 to over $90 because of Putin’s aggressions, the markets anticipation of sanctions, and market volatility resulting from the Bullying of Ukraine.
You brought up nukes, so I'll ask you..
Why do you think Putin took the Chernobyl area as one of its first objectives? It's an open question for anyone here, but what is your take on that? Interested to hear
Well using world war 2 as a map which is what nato is doing and how our foreign policy has been conducted since there is a massive contradiction with Russia. Ruin their economy, watch them become more hostile and nationalistic or appease them. It’s a fork in the road that ends very badly either way.
How motivated could the Russian forces be to invade a country they have no personal animosity toward, to kill a fellow neighbor, and risk their own lives, for a mission they may not even understand?
The difference here is that Germans, by and large, supported the policies of Hitler all the way up until WWII. There is no appetite for this in Russia, even the Oligarchs are barking, which never happens. If Russia's economy crumbles, most of them know why and are far more likely to look inward than out.
This is a completely different situation. The US and it's allies know that.
This is a completely different situation. The US and it's allies know that.
The problem is we waited the US needed to lead. Biden saw the build up but led from behind we needed to lead prior to invading Ukraine and when the build up hit and before Putin could lay down ultimatums we needed to act by pushing arms (I’m talking about seriously arming them) and possible EU membership along with sanctions. Putin could have said it was just war games or whatever and backed down. Instead now Putin is in a corner and he will not concede or give the appearance of any failure. It will escalate very fast.
My guess, which may not be correct, is because Russia wanted to secure the site to prevent Ukraine from weaponizing the site in order to maintain a clear pathway to Kyiv from Belarus.
My guess is it was close to the the Russians entry point toward Kyiv, and probably didn't want the outer casing to be damaged. Whether they did it or Ukrainians did it the Russians would've been blamed.
Also, other Units at Chernobyl are still producing electricity.
Biden sat back and allowed Putin to amass a massive amount of armament on borders in Russia and Belarus. That was the time to act. Instead he went on tv daily or spoke out for months “their gonna attack their gonna attack” and did nothing instead opting for reaction. We know that the first to deliver ultimatums generally that’s the direction things go. Well we let Putin go into Ukraine and now deliver the ultimatums and are reacting in a reckless way. Soon the pressure will get to Putin more so massive pressure and he will target those who put him there based on his perception
Chernobyl is low hanging fruit on the way to Kiev. It’s not much more than that.
Putin claimed moral superiority when he said he was fighting Nazis and drug addicts. Do we need anything more?
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