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He didn't have the money to do it until Biden filled his coffers and continues to fill his coffers this very day. Make no mistake, Democrats have blood all over their hands. No surprise that "The Squad" and the rest of the "kill American oil" crowd is silent. Bunch of scum.
Europe relies on Russia for gas. All of them, especially Germany. France is the only one that doesn't really because of their nuclear energy. That's their policies. Not ours. This was always going to happen. It just was TBD for when and which side will place the blame on the other for allowing it to happen
 
I'm not sure anything could have stopped Putin on this. Dude is 70 years old and wants to leave a legacy, and is becoming crazy. Dude is old school KGB.
I don't know, if he thought there was at the minimum the possibility that his military would face allied air strikes he might've had second thoughts, but that was taken off the table before the invasion ever started.
 
Europe relies on Russia for gas. All of them, especially Germany. France is the only one that doesn't really because of their nuclear energy. That's their policies. Not ours. This was always going to happen. It just was TBD for when and which side will place the blame on the other for allowing it to happen

No it wasn't. Putin was broke when Oil was in the 20's and 30's and even briefly wen't negative. He was supplying Europe at that time, but it wasn't making a difference to the Oil price because Saudi was pumping like mad. Us turning off the spickets ABSOLUTELY led to this.
 
No it wasn't. Putin was broke when Oil was in the 20's and 30's and even briefly wen't negative. He was supplying Europe at that time, but it wasn't making a difference to the Oil price because Saudi was pumping like mad. Us turning off the spickets ABSOLUTELY led to this.
You mean when people freaked out about COVID and the whole world was on a "flatten the cure" quarantine and basically stayed in place for a month? Once we opened back up this was always going to happen man. Europe relies too heavily on Russian oil for it not to. If you need someone to blame, then I guess blame the Europeans, more specifically the Germans.
 
It's always informative to look at what people were warning about in the years prior to the Russian incursion vs what people are saying today.


Absolutely. Alex Jones said last year that we'd be at war by February and here it is. Never thought I'd have to admit that guy was right about something, but it happened and the Democrats made him look like a prophet. No one to blame for this but themselves...
 
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No it wasn't. Putin was broke when Oil was in the 20's and 30's and even briefly wen't negative. He was supplying Europe at that time, but it wasn't making a difference to the Oil price because Saudi was pumping like mad. Us turning off the spickets ABSOLUTELY led to this.
Absolutely is right. The day Biden came into office he shut down a main pipeline and drilling sites. Pure insanity. Now we buy oil from Russia and that just gives Putin extra money to pay for his war on Ukraine. There is no excuse for such action by the president. He had to know this would happen. We did.

Biden is weak and the world knows it. He has survived all of his political career by smiling and taking bribes from countries that want us destroyed. So when China makes their move how is he going to stop them. He can't and will not. They own him and give him millions under the table. Everyone knows that but they tell us 81 million fools in this country voted for this. Of course 81 million was a lie too but what else in new.
 
Nor should we have. Waiting this long to address Russia allowed us to where we are today. A presidential candidate was literally laughed at for even suggesting Russia was a threat.

So for 8 years Putin was allowed to skillfully rebuild their country into a power. They should've never been allowed to get to this level of capability.

Reports this morning show sanctions are having a severe effect. The danger now is the reaction to the economic fallout. At bare minimum it will accelerate the military action to finish this campaign.
Based on how the Russian Army & airforce has performed so far against Ukraine I would say they didn't rebuild shit. Putin claimed a bunch of military advancements but was just siphoning off all the money into his personal accounts. If they got into a fight with a serious military power Russia would get steam rolled.
 
Europe relies on Russia for gas. All of them, especially Germany. France is the only one that doesn't really because of their nuclear energy. That's their policies. Not ours. This was always going to happen. It just was TBD for when and which side will place the blame on the other for allowing it to happen
It’s kind of our policy under this administration, too. It’s also easy now to say this was always going to happen. I agree we knew what Putin generally intended. I disagree we should pat ourselves on the backs for doing nothing about it.
 
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No it wasn't. Putin was broke when Oil was in the 20's and 30's and even briefly wen't negative. He was supplying Europe at that time, but it wasn't making a difference to the Oil price because Saudi was pumping like mad. Us turning off the spickets ABSOLUTELY led to this.
show us data where we turned off the "spickets". please and thank you
 
Absolutely is right. The day Biden came into office he shut down a main pipeline and drilling sites. Pure insanity. Now we buy oil from Russia and that just gives Putin extra money to pay for his war on Ukraine. There is no excuse for such action by the president. He had to know this would happen. We did.

Biden is weak and the world knows it. He has survived all of his political career by smiling and taking bribes from countries that want us destroyed. So when China makes their move how is he going to stop them. He can't and will not. They own him and give him millions under the table. Everyone knows that but they tell us 81 million fools in this country voted for this. Of course 81 million was a lie too but what else in new.
he stopped a section of a pipeline that wasn't functioning and was going to move Canadian tar oil. he stopped new drilling leases not any current ones. US oil and gas companies are currently using 30% of their land leases. TRumpsters are clowns.

Look at this data
who was President when Russian oil imports took a ****ing YUGE increase? I'll give you one guess, he was an orange clown.
2017 : 142k
2018 : 137k
2019 : 189k
2020 : 197k
2021 : 209k

Why is it so hard for the braindead right to look up facts?
 
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Our country is so screwed. You right wingers are a real piece of work. At least this Russian invasion of Ukraine has shown you cannot be trusted. I see some of my fellow Republicans who are never Trumpers starting to cozy back up because of vaccine mandates, glad this happened to remind us all that a Trump led government in the US can never happen again.
WTF are you talking about?
 
Absolutely is right. The day Biden came into office he shut down a main pipeline and drilling sites. Pure insanity. Now we buy oil from Russia and that just gives Putin extra money to pay for his war on Ukraine. There is no excuse for such action by the president. He had to know this would happen. We did.

Biden is weak and the world knows it. He has survived all of his political career by smiling and taking bribes from countries that want us destroyed. So when China makes their move how is he going to stop them. He can't and will not. They own him and give him millions under the table. Everyone knows that but they tell us 81 million fools in this country voted for this. Of course 81 million was a lie too but what else in new.
Omg, there is so much wrong with this post that I literally give up. You must be a hoot to talk to in person 😕
 
I hate to tell you this, but Taiwan's fate is sealed. The chip plant in Arizona is almost finished, and they are absolutely busting ass to get Intel's big wafer chip factory built in Ohio. Once that is done, China will move on Taiwan.
The moment Biden was installed as President, China knew Taiwan was theirs to take. They had them because China owns Biden. What can he do to stop them when it becomes time to collect their debt for the millions funded to Biden and Hunter.

It is only a matter of time and Biden's handling of the Ukraine issue has made them even bolder. In a little over a year Biden and his clown show have screwed up everything in his path.
 
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he stopped a section of a pipeline that wasn't functioning and was going to move Canadian tar oil. he stopped new drilling leases not any current ones. US oil and gas companies are currently using 30% of their land leases. TRumpsters are clowns.

Look at this data
who was President when Russian oil imports took a ****ing YUGE increase? I'll give you one guess, he was an orange clown.
2017 : 142k
2018 : 137k
2019 : 189k
2020 : 197k
2021 : 209k

Why is it so hard for the braindead right to look up facts?

From your link, this paints a little different picture, and gives more perspective. Seems the Trump years leading up to Covid were below the Obama years and the first year of Biden.
 
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Democrats funded this war. Russia was hemorrhaging from oil prices when Trump unleashed supply and got rich when Biden tightened supply to chase windmills. Russia had no money to chase these wars under Trump and have filled their coffers under Biden. Oil even went negative for a short time under Trump and Russia was crippled.

Spin it any way you want, post your dumb memes and laugh it off, but your party funded this madness.
Why do so many republicans, orange Jesus included, support Putin?
 
You mean when people freaked out about COVID and the whole world was on a "flatten the cure" quarantine and basically stayed in place for a month? Once we opened back up this was always going to happen man. Europe relies too heavily on Russian oil for it not to. If you need someone to blame, then I guess blame the Europeans, more specifically the Germans.
Did we have COVID in 2016 when gas was 1.73 and oil was 50ish, or 2017 when it was 2.24 and oil was 54, or 2018 when it was 2.44 and oil was 74? Gas fell to 2.08 in 2019, before the plandemic.

Europe has a hand in this, yes, but they have traded with Russia for decades.

Large imports of petroleum products started under Bush and continued under Obama. Trump did little to slow the imports. He did reduce the amount of pure crude oil coming in a bit. What Trump did do is manage to keep the supply of oil high which drove down the price. Low prices keeps Russia poor.

When Biden took office the first thing he did was shut down pipelines and restrict drilling. Price shoots to the moon. Then he went straight to Russia and started to buy large sums of crude oil. He upped imports by almost 25% in just two years. We are still buying huge sums of Russian petroleum which is giving them the very thing Biden says he is trying to deny them. The Dollar.

No worries ,though. Looks like we are working a deal to get some of that sweet Iranian oil. What could go wrong with giving them mass sums of money?
 

From your link, this paints a little different picture, and gives more perspective. Seems the Trump years leading up to Covid were below the Obama years and the first year of Biden.
It shows that right after 2008 we imported a shitload more oil from russia because it was super cheap. and then as oil prices went up it fell down hard to normal levels. Then in 2019 It skyrocketed back up. It conveys a very simple picture of how oil works. When global prices are cheap the refiners buy it up for end products. When prices spike they go back to using domestic production. Its not rocket science and has nothing to do with whether a R or D is in the WH. Oil companies only care about 1 thing, profit margin. That means using the cheapest supply. We have no 2022 data yet but you can be sure Russian imports will be cratered.
And an important thing to note. US oil imports from Russia is tiny. its less than 3% of the US total. We import 15x as much from Canada
 
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I'm sorry, but you've said this multiple times & I've yet to read just what Putin rebuilt from what in 8 years. Not trying to be a bigger DA, but just haven't seen. I have no idea what you are referring to. Thanks.

I already explained as much as I will on a message board. I assume there is much information out there about the difference in where they were vs where they are now. Might be hard to sort through all the algorithms and political noise
You don't need details just trust me. Follow the breadcrumbs.
 
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He didn't have the money to do it until Biden filled his coffers and continues to fill his coffers this very day. Make no mistake, Democrats have blood all over their hands. No surprise that "The Squad" and the rest of the "kill American oil" crowd is silent. Bunch of scum.
Wait I though Biden was in bed with Ukraine and Trump loved Putin. Now that it's not cool to be a Russia lover anymore Biden is connected to Russia and Trump was trying to help Ukraine? Is that how this works? That's how Trump works, when the tide turns, just change the lie. Trumpian's don't want truth, they want power and that's it.
 
It shows that right after 2008 we imported a shitload of oil from russia because it was super cheap. and then as oil prices went up it fell down hard to normal levels. Then in 2019 It skyrocketed back up. It conveys a very simple picture of how oil works. When global prices are cheap the refiners buy it up for end products. When prices spike they go back to using domestic production. Its not rocket science and has nothing to do with whether a R or D is in the WH. Oil companies only care about 1 thing, profit margin. That means using the cheapest supply. We have no 2022 data yet but you can be sure Russian imports will be cratered.
Really, then explain the drop right in the middle of the Trump years? Until as you correctly suggested oil prices dropped in 2020 due to pandemic.
Fast forward until now, oil prices are definitely not cheap, and we are buying more Russian oil than anytime prior, at the same time Biden's puppetmasters are all in on limiting our oil production, and it's more than just oil permits, it's also environmental restrictions.

Biden could sanction Russia's oil, or remove them from SWIFT, he won't.
 
It shows that right after 2008 we imported a shitload more oil from russia because it was super cheap. and then as oil prices went up it fell down hard to normal levels. Then in 2019 It skyrocketed back up. It conveys a very simple picture of how oil works. When global prices are cheap the refiners buy it up for end products. When prices spike they go back to using domestic production. Its not rocket science and has nothing to do with whether a R or D is in the WH. Oil companies only care about 1 thing, profit margin. That means using the cheapest supply. We have no 2022 data yet but you can be sure Russian imports will be cratered.
And an important thing to note. US oil imports from Russia is tiny. its less than 3% of the US total. We import 15x as much from Canada
It's just not right that Russia and OPEC won't pump for more oil:

 
Wait I though Biden was in bed with Ukraine and Trump loved Putin. Now that it's not cool to be a Russia lover anymore Biden is connected to Russia and Trump was trying to help Ukraine? Is that how this works? That's how Trump works, when the tide turns, just change the lie. Trumpian's don't want truth, they want power and that's it.
LOL! Your party will litterallty cheat, lie and steal to win elections. You want a one-party rule, will go to any lengths to get it and tell everybody that "democracy" is under siege when your one party rule desire is the exact OPPOSITE of a democracy.

"Fact checker".........LMAO !!
 
Really, then explain the drop right in the middle of the Trump years? Until as you correctly suggested oil prices dropped in 2020 due to pandemic.
Fast forward until now, oil prices are definitely not cheap, and we are buying more Russian oil than anytime prior, at the same time Biden's puppetmasters are all in on limiting our oil production, and it's more than just oil permits, it's also environmental restrictions.

Biden could sanction Russia's oil, or remove them from SWIFT, he won't.
it didn't drop, it went up. in 2019 it went up by 40%, before covid. 2017-2018 was a negligible difference. We are buying more now because in 2020 oil companies shut down production because they didn't want to destroy prices with a glut of oil. Things take time to even back out.
as you can see here, US production is shooting back up and has been Bidens entire Presidency.
 
Ok.

Time to balance this shit out.

How ‘bout, if Ukraine holds with our support, we put 100K Ukrainian troops on the border with Mexico. Until they start raising vegetables, or eat at a Mexican restaurant or two, I think they’d be trust worthy to hold the onslaught back!!

The border is just one big joke, right? This is a daily occurrence. Sadly, many Liberals seem to be down with pedophilia, so it probably is in their eyes.

 
it didn't drop, it went up. in 2019 it went up by 40%, before covid. 2017-2018 was a negligible difference. We are buying more now because in 2020 oil companies shut down production because they didn't want to destroy prices with a glut of oil. Things take time to even back out.
as you can see here, US production is shooting back up and has been Bidens entire Presidency.
Are you suggesting that on the chart on the link that the first 3 years of Trump weren't lower than the prior 8 and following 3? The chart is self explanatory.
2020 was 2 years ago, the oil wells aren't still shutdown due to Covid. Prices have been, and are high, in prior years this is when Wildcatters get in to make a quick buck, but they aren't now. US oil production should be surging right now, but it isn't, and Jen Psaki told us why yesterday and she has before. The admin doesn't care about high prices, they think it'll drive Americans toward electric cars.
 
I'm sorry, but you've said this multiple times & I've yet to read just what Putin rebuilt from what in 8 years. Not trying to be a bigger DA, but just haven't seen. I have no idea what you are referring to. Thanks.

For quite some time now, much of the world has mostly allowed Russia to run unchecked. What we're seeing right now is the result of that inaction.

Here's a start, a Charles Krauthammer piece from 2015:

As Putin rebuilds Russia's power, Obama just watches

Putin's larger strategy is also obvious. He is not reconstructing the old Soviet empire. That's too large a task. But he is rebuilding and reasserting Russia's ability to project power beyond its borders. Annexing Crimea restores to the motherland full control of the warm water Black Sea port that Russia has coveted since Peter the Great. Shoring up a rump Alawite state secures Russia's naval and air bases in the eastern Mediterranean. Add to that Russia's launching advanced cruise missiles from warships in the Caspian Sea to strike Syrian rebels 900 miles away.

For Obama, of course, these things don't matter. "In today's world," he told the U.N. last month, "the measure of strength is no longer defined by the control of territory."

"60 Minutes" asked Obama: Are you concerned about yielding leadership to Russia? Obama responded dismissively: "Propping up a weak ally is not leadership. I'm leading the world on climate change".

Upon hearing that, anyone in any conflict anywhere who has put his trust in the United States should start packing his bags for Germany.


There are of course plenty of impartial academic articles on this subject in Jstor:

https://www.google.com/search?channel=nus5&client=firefox-b-1-d&q=russia ukraine site:jstor.org&ved=2ahUKEwiHyay2gqP2AhXekIkEHVVLBNkQ2wF6BAgbEAE&ei=PBMdYoe7M96hptQP1ZaRyA0
 
It shows that right after 2008 we imported a shitload more oil from russia because it was super cheap. and then as oil prices went up it fell down hard to normal levels. Then in 2019 It skyrocketed back up. It conveys a very simple picture of how oil works. When global prices are cheap the refiners buy it up for end products. When prices spike they go back to using domestic production. Its not rocket science and has nothing to do with whether a R or D is in the WH. Oil companies only care about 1 thing, profit margin. That means using the cheapest supply. We have no 2022 data yet but you can be sure Russian imports will be cratered.
And an important thing to note. US oil imports from Russia is tiny. its less than 3% of the US total. We import 15x as much from Canada

Exactly right.

US producers flatly stated they wouldn't bother pumping more if the prices stayed under $60 per gallon. Wasn't worth it to them. Saudis know that helping keep the prices low means they control the market. There are other, lesser factors at work, but this admin has done nothing within its power to keep prices down and keep Russia out of the game.

The admin WANTED this conflict for the reasons linked in the tweet and posts above and to move closer to globalization.
 
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There is no way you and I could talk to each other. And why should we? Enjoy your inflation and high interest rates. Your vote contributed to it.
Let me guess - you have 3 Maga hats, trump is/was a great businessman, trump never cheated paying contractors or taxes, trump honors his wedding vows and would never grab a female by her p*ssy, Hillary is part of a pedophile ring and their hangouts are pizza joints, and the papers he flushed down the WH toilets were simply used because the WH ran out of toilet paper?
 
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