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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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The biggest questions:

Will Russia just take the regions it said yesterday was no longer part of Ukraine?
Or will they take the entire country.
Depends on what the rest of the World does. If he keeps pushing into the Ukraine and no one steps in to stop him...he'll keep pushing forward.
 
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President Biden live on TV said lowering the burden at the gas pump for US citizens is CRITICAL to him….

However, price of gas is going up, and nothing we can do about it!

At least he tried.
Lip service is all they ever give. Kamala would do well in charge.
 
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President Biden live on TV said lowering the burden at the gas pump for US citizens is CRITICAL to him….

However, price of gas is going up, and nothing we can do about it!

At least he tried.
His policies caused it. And he's not backing down. This BS talk may make libs feel good, but it's a slap in the face of all Americans. What a effing disaster.
 
Well I guess we could have Trump rolling over and letting Putin rub his belly while handing over all of the Ukraine. Sure you can bash Biden, but WTF was Trump going to do? The answer is roll over for the one person on Earth he is afraid of.
If trump had rolled over for Putin zelensky would have been gone 4 years ago and yanokovych would be president of Ukraine. Instead putin waits for weakness then pounces
 
The biggest questions:

Will Russia just take the regions it said yesterday was no longer part of Ukraine?
Or will they take the entire country.
Putin is going for Ukraine. At first it seemed like a multi year effort as it has been but now I think he takes eastern Ukraine at least in the short run. Eastern Ukraine to the dnieper river. not just Donbas.

the weaker the weaker the west appears will determine how much Putin takes. He made it very clear yesterday that he doesn’t respect Ukrainian sovereignty and believes it’s part of Russia. There just isn’t anyone with the guts to stand up the guy and as long as that’s the case why would he stop?
 
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Biden came out jokin and smokin in his speech today. All smiles. Then did his best feigned seriousness as he struggled through reading the words his radical leftist handlers prepared for the teleprompter. And then turned his back and walked off without taking any questions, as usual.

Is this all really just gross incompetence?
 
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Give us an example of ass kissing, and one thats more egregious than giving Putin permission to hack American businesses, or that " minor incursions" are acceptable.
Come on Bill. Trump praised every dictator and authoritarian leader in the world. Why? Because that’s what he wants to be. A dictator. He fell in love with NK and practically begged Putin to be his friend. And how did he treat our allies, the country that have stood with us. Like trash. He made America the laughing stock of the world.
 
Listen, you do all the mental gymnastics you like, the facts are there.
Putin acted under Obama, he didn’t under Trump, and he started right back up with aggression under Biden.
This is occurring because Biden is weak, and has shown it over the last year over and over again.

It is true that Biden is perceived (due at least in a large part by our rapid and unprepared exit from Afghanistan) as weak by Russia, China and North Korea. That is dangerous. Because the "coward" is often the one you have to fear the most - because he might do something unexpected (and foolish) to prove he is not a coward. Or strike back in an unexpected way because he is afraid.

The rest of the world sure didn't like Trump but they did fear him - because they didn't know what crazy thing he might do if he was provoked. He was unpredictable.

I think the rest of the world likes Biden because they think he is naive and can be played. And the world sure loves to play the USA for our money and to allow us to pay the bills for being the world's policeman.

You just know that Europe is saying now (to the USA) "Well ... what are you guys going to do to stop this?"
 
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Biden came out jokin and smokin in his speech today. All smiles. Then did his best feigned seriousness as he struggled through reading the words his radical leftist handlers prepared for the teleprompter.

Is this all really just gross incompetence?
I hate to block people. I really do. I’ve only blocked 3-4 people because of their ignorance. Today you join the list. I don’t think I can read another thought you post. Good luck to you.
 
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It is true that Biden is perceived (due at least in a large part by our rapid and unprepared exit from Afghanistan) as weak by Russia, China and North Korea. That is dangerous. Because the "coward" is often the one you have to fear the most - because he might do something unexpected (and foolish) to prove he is not a coward. Or strike back in an unexpected way because he is afraid.

The rest of the world sure didn't like Trump but they did fear him - because they didn't know what crazy thing he might do if he was provoked. He was unpredictable.

I think the rest of the world likes Biden because they think he is naive and can be played. And the world sure loves to play the USA for our money and to allow us to pay the bills for being the world's policeman.
Russia and NK loved trump because he praised them. It was a GD love affair.
 
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Come on Bill. Trump praised every dictator and authoritarian leader in the world. Why? Because that’s what he wants to be. A dictator. He fell in love with NK and practically begged Putin to be his friend. And how did he treat our allies, the country that have stood with us. Like trash. He made America the laughing stock of the world.
Liberal ignorance knows no bounds.
 
Come on Bill. Trump praised every dictator and authoritarian leader in the world. Why? Because that’s what he wants to be. A dictator. He fell in love with NK and practically begged Putin to be his friend. And how did he treat our allies, the country that have stood with us. Like trash. He made America the laughing stock of the world.
False.
 
All of these lunatics that want to go to war with Russia should head right down to their local US Army recruiting office & enlist. They can lead the charge against those evil Russians.


Yes - absolutely
We shouldn’t be sleepwalking into ANY conflict with Russia for Gods sake -

I guess this is how the world gets “Gog & Magog” though.....
 
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But let's be accurate and fact-based. The west is not fine with this happening, which is why the west in unison is coming out against the invasion. Germany today has at very minimum paused the Nordstrom deal. The EU is preparing a sanction package. The US is preparing a sanctions package. All western countries are providing support in some way or form. Nearly all former USSR satellites, except the handful who are pro-Russia, have condemned the action.

China itself has condemned the behavior of Russia. Russia is using China as a pawn for leverage. China has their own aspirations in Taiwain, but it's also not in Chinese interest to mobilize and militarize western Europe.

Meanwhile, we are talking about a conflict of nuclear powers. US has limited options, even more limited when you consider this conflict is on the other side of the planet on the border of the second strongest militaries in the world.

We must also remember this conflict would exist with or with out the United States. The rift in Ukraine is both cultural and political. We take a side here because Ukraine is a democracy and a border state of the western alliance.

So, I guess I am missing your point.
Who is the second strongest military?
 
You are again veering from facts and quite frankly, the argument of "this wouldn't occur if Trump was President" is a hypothetical argument that can't be proven or disproven because it's not real. It's a waste of time.

But again, you state that the The West is fine with the invasion of even the Donbas region. This is factually incorrect given the actions of western Europe and NATO since beginning of the invasion. What you mean is that NATO / US will not take direct military action in the conflict.

In terms of Nord Stream 2, Germany announced today it no longer plans to certify the pipeline.


In summation, your argument is that the US should take a more militarily aggressive stance and defy another nuclear power (Russia). I won't say there is not merit to that, as I am not Nostradamus, but any time you deal with another nuclear power, we have no choice but to respect their arsenal.
Well, it didn’t happen in 4 years under Trump. It happened in like 13 months under Biden.
 
All eyes should be on Taiwan, China wants Taiwan. Will they take the inaction militarily by the West as an open door?
Taiwan is totally different than Ukraine. We will defend Taiwan using the full extent of our military power include nuclear weapons. GWB kind of startled the world when he just flat out said we'd nuke China if they attacked Taiwan. Only president ever to say it. It is that big of a foreign policy objective of official US foreign policy regardless of party.

Ukraine is not a NATO country unlike most of the rest of Europe. Ukraine has never been a country the US would defend with military power and Trump wouldn't have done it either so all the bluff talk about Trump would have done so is just blather and makes you look like a zealot which you obviously have become under Trump. I remember a time when it was possible for you to engage folks intelligently on politics unlike the rabble on here you joined when Trump came bopping down the escalator.
 
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Are they? Reading here is seems like it’s the US.
That's the thing about Trump Republicans. They hate our country and blame it for everything to the point they attacked it on January 6th even though they have more excuses for doing it than you could listen to in a lifetime. I stopped to get gas in Alabama and was treated to a 45 minute sermon on all the conspiracies going on in Trumpland. I actually stood there and listened and even refilled my coffee. It was a tour de force of pure unvarnished insanity and it was also about 3am so it was quite a treat and at the same time utterly horrifying. I don't think the average normal American understands how far these nuts have gone down the rabbit hole.
 
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