What is this? Is it literally because the left has no purpose other than to propagandize against the right since the 90’s that they can’t even focus on the issue at hand?
I don’t get this.
Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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I don’t get this.
We have evidence though, this action didn't happen in a vacuum. Its not as if Trump wasn't President for 4 years and Russia didn't make aggressive moves in that time.
Biden's action or lack thereof allowed it to get to this point. He told them they could hack our systems as long as they didn't hit certain ones, he ok'd Nordstream 2, he completely dicked up the Afghanistan withdrawal, we watched Russia build up these troops for a year and didn't take action, he stated on national TV that a small incursion would be ok, he then stated that a military response was off the table. He either is an idiot or he's fine with Russia going in to Ukraine.
Without discussing the four years of Trump:
(1) Do you think Putin respects Biden?;
(2) Do you think Putin’s perception/opinion of Biden as a leader is influencing the current climate?; and,
(3) Has Biden displayed strength globally?
(1) Do you think Putin respects Biden?;
(2) Do you think Putin’s perception/opinion of Biden as a leader is influencing the current climate?; and,
(3) Has Biden displayed strength globally?
Study the run up to WW2. The scenario today is almost exactly like it was then. Rhineland, Austria, Sudetenland/Czechoslovakia, Poland. Like Hitler with Germany, Putin wants back what Russia gave up at the breakup of the Soviet Union. The only way to stop him is a war. And a war with Russia would be a catastrophe in the nuclear age. Hitler could have been stopped earlier by a believable threat of war if the West had had the nerve. Hitler did not believe their threats and, with potential nukes involved, Putin is very confident that the West will do nothing serious to stop him.
And China is waiting patiently to see what happens to determine if they will take Taiwan.
And China is waiting patiently to see what happens to determine if they will take Taiwan.
You're trying to use semantics to change the reality that Trump is not President and then creating an imaginary reality where Trump is President and the circumstance changes. That's why it's a hypothetical. And it's a hypotheses that can neither be proven or falsified because it's not a testable hypothesis. So, given that, what is the point, other than the need to promote domestic political agendas?
You can take any event that coincides with a President's tenure and make the argument that such events only occur with that President. That's neither here nor there.
I'm not enlightened, but I am borderline obsessed with this story and have learned a lot. Have had conversations with people all over world about it. Think I have a pretty well rounded view of it, but what I see here is people using squares to conversate in a geopolitical topic that requires circles. A whole lot of facts are being missed in light of that. Information is our best weapon here.
Listen, you do all the mental gymnastics you like, the facts are there.
Putin acted under Obama, he didn’t under Trump, and he started right back up with aggression under Biden.
This is occurring because Biden is weak, and has shown it over the last year over and over again.
That isn't even close to an answer.
No, we’re pissed because we either have idiots running the country or they’re in on it. Either way the citizens are the ones who’ll pay the price, either in higher costs of living, loss of freedoms, or in blood, abd it was entirely preventable.
Does anyone here actually have any thoughts on this conflict? Or know a place where I can go to read about it without politics dominating the conversation? So sick of the partisan bullshit that seems to control all facets of life right now (this board is unbearable and has been for years).
I don't give a shit about Joe Biden or Donald Trump. They don't give a shit about me. They don't give a shit about you.
What's worst case scenario in this Ukraine-Russia situation? Best case? What is the US going to do? What should we do?
I don't give a shit about Joe Biden or Donald Trump. They don't give a shit about me. They don't give a shit about you.
What's worst case scenario in this Ukraine-Russia situation? Best case? What is the US going to do? What should we do?
At some point things become facts. Biden is in charge. Pretty sure we were told he was fairly elected, too.
Worse case is Putin goes all in on Ukraine, and China moves on Taiwan at the same time.
Trump kissed his ass and praised his at every turn. Interesting strategy.
The Main Board has a great thread on this where people are sharing information. Political posters being ignored.
For media, best I've found so far broadcasts live daily...
What happens then? What does that mean for the US?
I'm genuinely curious (and ignorant).
Truly a *miracle* that all of the foremost experts on Russia and energy policy have gathered here at The Paddock. We are so lucky.
You could be a war monger and still be weak. I have seen many like this, start a fight then expect someone else to fight it for them. That is normal with some politicians/leaders as they use war for their benefit and advancement then run and hide when it falls apart. History has taught us this.
But yes, while I don't agree with "defining facet" of the right comment because the left does the same when it comes to defining how well a president is doing, I will say that for most there is no middle ground on either side these days. But we (or at least me and many others) have not seen a president so unprepared or unknowing of what to do in almost all areas. The VP even worse. Usually, you have at least one competent leader within the two. Not this time.
Good questions.
Best case probably has already passed. Russia retreats and there is no conflict, no loss of life and borders remain the same.
Worst seems to be WWIII, if you believe some pundits.
US will sanction Russia.
Our options are now limited.
Give us an example of ass kissing, and one thats more egregious than giving Putin permission to hack American businesses, or that " minor incursions" are acceptable.
This thread is exhibit fuhking A why America is doomed to fail. We can't unite on a single fuhking topic without it devolving into "Red is better than Blue" and vice versa. You morons can't see the true enemy because you're fighting among yourselves. Be better, assholes.
I disagree, most I believe understand how serious it is. Blame is the point of much of the thread and showing weakness is what many (me included) think helped embolden Putin to make his move.
Well I guess we could have Trump rolling over and letting Putin rub his belly while handing over all of the Ukraine. Sure you can bash Biden, but WTF was Trump going to do? The answer is roll over for the one person on Earth he is afraid of.
Like it or not, blue is in charge of everything right now. And they haven't shown a willingness to compromise with red on anything. Tell these assholes. We the people are ignored.
Or Joe to Ho time. Perhaps he should let Kamala take over and screw it up more, so all of this is not completely blamed on him. The problem is though, she would go into hiding kackling all the way trying to avoid blame.
Stop pulling TDS out of your ass. Trump isn't in office and hasn't been for over a year. You guys are in full control of our government now.
Gosh, I wonder why Putin waited until 2022? It’s not as if his interest in the Ukraine started this past year. With the control you claim he had, seems odd he waited.
You mean the people eating horse dewormer and shitting their pants because of Russian propaganda on their social media? They're the people we need to listen to. Obviously they know what they're talking about.
It has nothing to do with politics rather Putin’s perception of the man in office and whether he has a spine or not. After a disaster in Iraq Putin’s first conquest came with a Republican president when he invaded Georgia in 2008. Retaining large strategic areas.
then Obama in 2014. This after a contentious election putin commented to Time magazine in a cover article that basically “Romney’s comments” changed the perception of the Russian people. This was in reference to the “greatest geopolitical foe”comment Romney made in the debates. That emboldened Putin as did Obama’s hot mic moment and the restart of nuke weapons treaty”.
now less than a year after a hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan Putin smells blood in the water again. Biden appears mindless and scared. The European leaders are weaker than they’ve been since ww2. Germany has a new chancellor. Johnson is a Johnson and his country has zero respect for him. Macron is the butt of jokes and Putin continuously plays him. It’s easy to see why Putin is picking this moment to rekindle 2014 and his Ukrainian ambitions.
then Obama in 2014. This after a contentious election putin commented to Time magazine in a cover article that basically “Romney’s comments” changed the perception of the Russian people. This was in reference to the “greatest geopolitical foe”comment Romney made in the debates. That emboldened Putin as did Obama’s hot mic moment and the restart of nuke weapons treaty”.
now less than a year after a hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan Putin smells blood in the water again. Biden appears mindless and scared. The European leaders are weaker than they’ve been since ww2. Germany has a new chancellor. Johnson is a Johnson and his country has zero respect for him. Macron is the butt of jokes and Putin continuously plays him. It’s easy to see why Putin is picking this moment to rekindle 2014 and his Ukrainian ambitions.
The biggest questions:
Will Russia just take the regions it said yesterday was no longer part of Ukraine?
Or will they take the entire country.
Will Russia just take the regions it said yesterday was no longer part of Ukraine?
Or will they take the entire country.
What's this garbage? The left is in change of our government. The House, Senate, and the Presidency. Stop trying to deflect from their on-going poor decisions by introducing this irrelevant, infantile nonsense. I understand your embarrassment. Too late. Elections have consequences.
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