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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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It was some random guy. Lew Carpenter to be exact. And yes, your picture shows the statue on private property. Unless you're going to tell me Seattle Times articles from the early '90s are part of some grand conspiracy to disguise the real origin of the statue, you're dead wrong.

Now let's not derail the thread further. Back to pretending to be experts on Ukrainian/Russia relations and European geopolitics.
OH ok. You tell us about Igor Kolomoisky and his relation to president Zelensky. And then explain why Americans should die for Ukraine.
 
Weird. Antifa actually got a 16' statue of Stalin put in Seattle. It would seem with all the anti Russia, and calling pubs "commies".... You'd care that a domestic terrorist org with communist ideology is attacking people in the USA.... or you're being a hypocrite that should just read cnn and send poor kids to war.
I'm a service member and I do not care about the back and forth Bs that arises anytime we have actual conflict. The best thing any of us can do is be cordial and be understanding of a terrible situation going on thousands of miles away. Instead we are on here pointing fingers at each other pretending as if being aligned with a specific political party allows us to have some fake higher moral standing amongst others.
 
John Kerry is worried those missiles being showered onto Kyiv will cause climate change. "Please President Putin, keep your war Green".

Can you believe this idiocy. No wonder the world has gone to shit under this administration.
It’s the progressive left that caused Biden admin to kill Keystone and end American energy independence. Else this situation would have little effect on American economy.

At the same time, we could be easing Europe’s depending on Russia for Gas giving much greater leverage on Russia

But no we have idiots like Kerry and the whole climate change crowd who are either clueless or are part of the great reset.
 
I’m really shocked that the right wing nuts in this thread have been duped by the Putin propaganda being regurgitated by shitbags like Tucker Carlson.

America First!
They have zero critical thinking skills (and likely fairly low IQ as well) and are thus easily manipulated into believing bullshit.
 
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They have zero critical thinking skills (and likely fairly low IQ as well) and are thus easily manipulated into believing bullshit.
Can you help me out what the left wants to do? Seemed a few days ago going to war was what the left wanted to do. Now it's sanctions. I know I'm not as brilliant as you but what I saw as President yesterday was very disappointing. So tell us what we should do.
 
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Two mornings now where I wake up to see partisans take over thread, rape it, and turn it into a Donald Trump fanboy convention. Going to take a nuclear bomb on US soil before you realize you’re on the same team
 
Can you help me out what the left wants to do? Seemed a few days ago going to war was what the left wanted to do. Now it's sanctions. I know I'm not as brilliant as you but what I saw was President yesterday was very disappointing. So tell us what we should do.
I don’t know of anyone that wanted to go to war.
 
I'm a service member and I do not care about the back and forth Bs that arises anytime we have actual conflict. The best thing any of us can do is be cordial and be understanding of a terrible situation going on thousands of miles away. Instead we are on here pointing fingers at each other pretending as if being aligned with a specific political party allows us to have some fake higher moral standing amongst others.

Liberals act like petulant children when they feel they have the upper hand on things going on, and then quickly act like we all need to act like adults when things occur that make them look like the idiots that they are. #Scum.
 
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I don’t know of anyone that wanted to go to war.

There were days, years ago, that I would've paid good money for that level of ignorance or naiveté. Not now though. If you don't know anyone in DC or otherwise that wanted to go to war, count yourself lucky. There are plenty There and elsewhere that wanted this and will profit from it. You just have to want to look.
 
Can you help me out what the left wants to do? Seemed a few days ago going to war was what the left wanted to do. Now it's sanctions. I know I'm not as brilliant as you but what I saw was President yesterday was very disappointing. So tell us what we should do.
He won’t answer. He speaks of others having low IQ but his posts lack any substance and are usually just bait or ad hominem. Same with Ed and JamesLee. In fact, they could all be the same poster.
 
To be accurate, it was 27,000,000 lost of the entire Soviet Union, of which 5,000,000 of the dead were from the Ukraine. The Soviet Baltic states also contributed a significant amount to that number. But I completely understand your point.

That is a part of history that I have interest in and read a lot about. By the time D-Day happened and the allies landed in France the German war effort was pretty much a lost cause by that point. The only problem was that Hitler didn't accept that nor his fanatical followers. If the Nazi regime didn't insist on fighting to the death and carrying on the war until every last German man, woman, and child were dead, millions of lives would have been saved. Or in other words, if the German command were sensible and level headed and could see that losing the war was inevitable in 1944 and thus initiated peace talks with hat in hand to end it then .
The lesson to learn here is to never let a narcissist lead a country. They cannot and will not self correct and their followers are just that, followers.
 
Can you help me out what the left wants to do? Seemed a few days ago going to war was what the left wanted to do. Now it's sanctions. I know I'm not as brilliant as you but what I saw was President yesterday was very disappointing. So tell us what we should do.
No one wants to go to war. Can we quit blaming each other for this? This is so effing childish and stupid. This war in Ukraine is Vladimir Putin's fault. It would be happening regardless of who was President of the US. Sanctions and troops to support NATO countries is all we are ever going to do about it regardless of party or administration. Quit being a foolish petulant child and grow the eff up. The far left and far right of our country have totally destroyed common sense. Everything you all do boils down to whether your side did it or not. That's all you know and all you can process. Use your brain.
 
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We have failed Ukraine. Those people in no way deserve what they are going through. That video breaks my heart. Our help is the equivalent of going "there there it will be ok". Biden is and has been the absolute worst President we have had and it's not even close. This was preventable and the US and other countries allowed. The blood of innocent of Ukrainians is on the hands of this administration and other world leaders.
We have lost our standing on the world stage this past year. Our support really does not mean as much today as it did before.
 
No one wants to go to war. Can we quit blaming each other for this? This is so effing childish and stupid. This war in Ukraine is Vladimir Putin's fault. It would be happening regardless of who was President of the US. Sanctions and troops to support NATO countries is all we are ever going to do about it regardless of party or administration. Quit being a foolish petulant child and grow the eff up. The far left and far right of our country have totally destroyed common sense. Everything you all do boils down to whether your side did it or not. That's all you know and all you can process. Use your brain.
So no one wants to go to the war February 25th 2022. Got it. I disagree that with a different leader this would have happened.
 
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https://warontherocks.com/2022/02/h...lic-respond-to-a-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/

Liberal Democrats were especially supportive of using troops in response to a Russian invasion of Ukraine in last summer’s Chicago Council survey (60 percent in favor versus 47 percent of moderate Democrats). This may seem surprising given that liberals typically prefer diplomatic, rather than military, approaches to international problems and have strongly favored withdrawing the U.S. military from post-9/11 wars. For instance, the same Chicago Council survey found that 70 percent of Americans favored the decision to withdraw U.S. combat forces from Afghanistan by Sept. 11, 2021.
 
I'm a service member and I do not care about the back and forth Bs that arises anytime we have actual conflict. The best thing any of us can do is be cordial and be understanding of a terrible situation going on thousands of miles away. Instead we are on here pointing fingers at each other pretending as if being aligned with a specific political party allows us to have some fake higher moral standing amongst others.
It’s a message board my guy. It’s not hard to disconnect yourself from it if you don’t like people criticizing your guys response or how he handled the previous year.

most of the things people have complained about for the last year and change are all coming back to bite us right now.

but people also should remember that trump wanted to send people checks also. He contributed to inflation
 
Instead we are on here pointing fingers at each other pretending as if being aligned with a specific political party allows us to have some fake higher moral standing amongst others.
Well, the current political party running things are as useless as tits on a boar hog, so there's that.
 
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It would be foolish to accept Finland. Setting up the inevitable.

Sometimes you have to accept that they will have their sphere. We will. China will. Provoking them into a war with NATO is unnecessary.
If NATO does not accept Finland, Finland should develop a nuclear arsenal. If we had not urged Ukraine to give up its nukes, would Putin be invading?
 
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