Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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Yes I’m quite aware of America’s foreign policy and moral equivalency attempted to being applied. The problem is that this isn’t about morality. It’s about interest, security and preventing authoritarians from dominating free peoples.
"Stole the election"!!! You still harping on that???
That article explains the US and European involvement in Ukraine. How would America act if Russia did the same thing in Canada? I’m not saying Putin is the good guy here, but it’s important to understand what some of his motives are and how we’ve played a hand in it.
We have failed at stopping authoritarian governments virtually every time we’ve tried it since WWII, so maybe we should stop being the world’s morality police when our hands are dirty too.
I don’t know why people make hypothetical questions like “what if Russia did this in Canada?” There is no need for a hypothetical here because Russia already did that following the Bay of Pigs Invasion. That conflict almost led to nuclear combat and the US walked away. Is the US invading Cuba today?
Great, unfortunately for Ukraine they weren’t allowed in, and I’m not so certain Germany, France, Great Britain or the US would go to war with Russia over any other country in NATO other than those listed, and Germany is iffy.
I think Putin is about to test that, and China has their back. Their goal is the US dollar as the world currency.
Ron Paul fan as well -
And i agree - his book “Revolution” our some actual #s around the Scope of our hyper-interventional habits
Good on you, sarge
There is some chance for dissent, but believe article 5 of NATO says that all NATO nations must defend each other. If they don’t follow that, they open themselves up to attacks
It’s understandable that your lashing out, that’s the first step of acceptance.
I don’t think that’s a 1:1 comparison because we also had nukes pointed at the Soviets in Turkey so a diplomatic agreement was reached. I don’t think that applies to the current times.
Absolutely. It happened.
The people of Latin America say regional stability depends on the USA. Now some are beginning to look to China. China is showering massive gifts to Latin American countries while the US watches. The USA is the grandad of this hemisphere. Need to fix Venezuela for that oil that’s how you combat Russia. Russia will be in Venezuela on a larger scale very soon. Have to prevent it. Russia isn’t afraid of an economic war. That oil will smack us in the head 8-10$ gas. We have to hedge against that or Putin wins.
the world isn’t 195 countries. It’s more like 5 or so powerful countries that determine regional policies. Can’t allow that influence near our isolated continent
The question at this point is how long will Putin receive support from his own people?
I have no idea what Russians think but hell he has been de facto dictator for 23 years
I have no idea what Russians think but hell he has been de facto dictator for 23 years
What’s your point? Our enemies are bad guys too. There can be more than 1 group/country that are doing bad things. That isn’t hard to understand.
Feels like we’re cheering for Rocky right before Clubber Lang destroyed him, but glad to see Ukraine isn’t laying down and taking Putin’s bullshit.
Well he’ll likely kill Ukraine’s leader who is a Jew. So just what the hell IS the difference?
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Rumors of major airstrikes across country in just an hour. We could see collateral damage that may some of the worst we’ve seen
No, the civilised word and their governments failed these people.
Fighting back just to save face is totally pointless and will cost many lives needlessly, ruining countless others for generations. There's nothing glamorous or valorous about defending your home from invasion that is certain conquest. There are no winners in war.
The "civilised" world failed these people with their gross negligence and incompetence. This was foreseeable; this was preventable.
Fighting back just to save face is totally pointless and will cost many lives needlessly, ruining countless others for generations. There's nothing glamorous or valorous about defending your home from invasion that is certain conquest. There are no winners in war.
The "civilised" world failed these people with their gross negligence and incompetence. This was foreseeable; this was preventable.
I wonder if Urkraine is using this opportunity to destroy the Biden crime family evidence.
We have failed Ukraine. Those people in no way deserve what they are going through. That video breaks my heart. Our help is the equivalent of going "there there it will be ok". Biden is and has been the absolute worst President we have had and it's not even close. This was preventable and the US and other countries allowed. The blood of innocent of Ukrainians is on the hands of this administration and other world leaders.
The Russian people suffered like no others in WWII. I doubt any Russian alive today that didn’t lose someone in that war. America may have lost 300,000 troups however Russia lost 27,000,000. They know war and not afraid of it. Sanctions to them are a waste of paper.
These are quite literally Russian talking points. If there was any agreement between Nato and Russia in regard to future expansion, then there would be a record of it. There isn't one. There would not be some secret handshake. Nato isn't just the US. Other nations would also have had to sign off on it.Unprovoked? The US state dept helped to overthrow a duly elected president in Ukraine because he was more aligned with Russia than Europe. We then installed a pro Eu/US president. We promised not to expand nato past germany but we are right on Russias border. Parts of our government have wanted this war for 20 years and determined to get it.
If Ukraine joins nato then Russia has zero buffer from an attack. They would lose their access to the black sea.
All the coup stuff came straight off RT and Sputnik. Any news about it is always some opinion piece with no actual evidence. How many Benghazi investigations did we get, but no one in a Republican led Senate or House would have taken a look at an Obama led coup?
I’m really shocked that the right wing nuts in this thread have been duped by the Putin propaganda being regurgitated by shitbags like Tucker Carlson.
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True; however, Finland's small-unit tactical doctrine proved on numerous occasions during WW2 this former agrarian nation is highly capable of delaying overwhelming USSR numerical advantages on the battlefield, albeit at a heavy price: 2% of the population. Current, doctrine focuses on delaying actions utilizing terrain features (dense forests and lakes).
Aside from their "special relationship" with the former Soviet regime, valid reasons exist the Nordic nation of just 5.5 million enjoys independence 105 years later. Finland dares not "poke the bear", yet plays both sides -- US and Russia -- very well. For example, Finns are purchasing F-35 fighters, and maintain around 60 F-18s.
Honestly, I can't envision Finland joining NATO as a full member anytime soon. They are, more or less, an associate NATO member (memorandum of understanding) and provided troops for Afghanistan and Kosovo operations.
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That’s an interesting — and good question really and i REALLY promise not to over complicate the hypothetical...
If Ukraine was a NATO state then - no, in all likelihood there wouldn’t have been the separatist/pro-Russian conflict
May have some “ethnic Russians” in there — but i doubt you’d have a large contingent of Russian military personnel pouring in
Hope I responded in a productive manner there ....
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