Problems with that though if fighting a country who also has nukes it would escalate. Then there would be the environmental activist outrage around the globe.
Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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I sure hope not, the US is already spending over 700 billion annually on defense & we sure don't need to add billions more to that.
Correct. Europe, and Germany in particular, is trying to move further and further away from dependence on Russian energy and are looking to invest in more nuclear and renewable energy sources. It would take 5-10 years at least to get there though, and a lot of nefarious shit can happen in that time frame.
One short term positive to the US in terms of energy could very likely be increased demand on LNG (liquefied natural gas) exports to western Europe.
Yeah, that will probably depend on which politicians are in power if NATO wants it BBB and who they kowtow to because of kickbacks.
No, spent time at Gutluet Kaserne (Frankfort) and Fliegerhorst Kaserne (Hanou) 76-79, 4th USAFAD Werl Germany 84-87, and 1st Armored HQ Bad Krueznach Germany 93-95.
Fired a simulated nuke many years ago from an M110A2 howitzer and it rocked my world. Generally, a 50ft lanyard is used with everyone off of the gun. But this time, me and a couple of my soldiers decided to try and ride one out. When it was fired, the number 2 man who pulled the lanyard and my gunner who was sitting in his seat were knocked off of the gun. I was positioned between the loader rammer and the cradle and was pretty secure but, I almost got whiplash. After firing one of those the hydraulic lines and other weaker portions of the gun rupture and the howitzer needs repair which is why we only fired one a year for practice and only one gun out of 8 in the battery would do it otherwise the entire battery would be dead lined.
There could be things we don’t know but according to things I’ve read from US military analysts, hypersonic is a technology we are behind on and that would theoretically escape any missiles defense
OK - my oldest brother was a Lance missile guy - the Army considered their surface - surface missiles as part of the artillery function right ?
He was your era in Malta / Italy back before Lance became Pershing - and he briefly stood up a battery with Neutron-Bmb (“Q setting”) capabilities
Loved the live fire story with the nuke sim
You probably had familiarity with chemical weapons canisters / shells as well for your guns
In the 4th USAFAD we had Lance, 155mm and 8inch (M110A2) nukes. Germans/Americans with Lance, Brits/Scots/Americans with 155mm, and Belgians/Americans 8inch (M110A2). I was with the Belgians. Most of the time in the field we convoyed from Germany to Belgium and would spend about 2 weeks there. About a week devoted to training and another week was used for their vacation. Each Belgian soldier would take an American soldier home with them for that week.
We are behind on putting all the pieces together- yes
Theater level use of HS strike weapons offers the aggressor first shot at targets without any real chance for intercepting the incoming salvo (it would feature a unique flight path and would be traveling at a minimum of MACH 5)
They can be deployed similar to how an ICBM is launched
OR they can feature an airframe more like a cruise missile
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The move away from nuclear decades ago was one of the biggest blunders we could have made.
Just like Putin wouldn't be starting this crap if he was perched at the front line at the border holding a rifle. The ones (or seldom, their own kids) who start wars never are.
If Finland wants to join NATO, we accept them. Accepting any sphere for a totalitarian Russia or China is simple appeasement. That has a bad track record of success.
I wouldn't be shocked if the Baltics become Putin's next target. He's made moves there in the past and they have ethnic Russian populations.
There may be some motivation in all of this on Putin's part to secure a deep/warm water port for the Russian Navy. Who can say?
But, all he has to do is cut production of the oil he sells to the US (approx. 5-12 million barrels per month), sit back and watch the price go up, lose no money and put a hurting on the American economy.
But, all he has to do is cut production of the oil he sells to the US (approx. 5-12 million barrels per month), sit back and watch the price go up, lose no money and put a hurting on the American economy.
I am currently reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. With the exception of planning to kill all the Jews and starving all the victims, Putin is sounding and acting almost exactly like Hitler at the run up to WW2. The same lies, the same reasoning and the same actions. So much so that it is really scary in the nuclear age.
Hey, don’t bring that stupid CNN shit here.
This is a great thread to read if you are trying to figure out who you should block. Got rid of 2 lunatics.
No matter what happens it is has to be a foregone conclusion there is going to be another US Military Base Buildup in Europe. Maybe not to the extent of the Cold War days, but certainly a big enough presence that it will be something significant. I don't see how the United States can avoid not doing this.
The U.S. Military Budget is about to quadruple if not more. Too much as risk when you have someone as unpredictable as Putin.
The U.S. Military Budget is about to quadruple if not more. Too much as risk when you have someone as unpredictable as Putin.
Honestly - i just LOVE the term “lunatic”
Got a lunacy themed tattoo on my right shoulder (crescent moon wide eyed leering and staring down at the man below him - who’s screaming and cursing the moon while pulling out his own hair)
Some words just DO IT FOR ME, MAN
There’s a lot of propaganda spread by Russian state controlled media and some of the far left extremist fringes here that Ukraine is full of Nazi’s. Which according to the numbers I’ve looked at and some of the Ukrainians on social media I’ve seen talking is a myth.
The last election in 2019 Far Right parties garnered something like 2 percent of the vote. They elected a Jewish President and Prime Minister with a plurality.
The Ukrainians I’ve seen have said that yes they still have problems with anti/semitism and they have neo-Nazi’s but not at the level that Russia or Putin wants to claim.
The last election in 2019 Far Right parties garnered something like 2 percent of the vote. They elected a Jewish President and Prime Minister with a plurality.
The Ukrainians I’ve seen have said that yes they still have problems with anti/semitism and they have neo-Nazi’s but not at the level that Russia or Putin wants to claim.
We have been told by mainstream media that America is full of Nazis. For 4 long, idiotic years.
What has happened here is slightly attributable. It’s hard to recognize actual danger and evil in the world when you claim that everybody you disagree with is Hitler.
So you're telling me the Governor of Kentucky isn't actually a tyrant after all? Both sides buy into bullshit and feed off it. Politics - where hypocrites are born.
Abusing power is tyrannical. Nazism is something quite different. I can’t imagine making this stretch.
Republicans and Democrats are more alike than they think, and that isn’t a compliment.
I’m PRETTY DIDDLY DARN SURE that Jalen Rose , the UL cheerleader team , Al Pachino and the guy that always stalks the backside of the middlesboro mall —- ARE ALL PERFECT EXAMPLES OF ACTUAL NAZIS !!
So - don’t sleep on them
Taking the history of ww1 and ww2 into account and using that as a guide of how to deal with this is a terrible miscalculation. We could react more directly and quickly and still things go to shit fast. Over and over people repeat this hitler comparison. The problem is the history of the world is full of conquerers and very few committed the atrocities that hitler did. I feel like our foreign policy is dictated by ww2 and it’s time to stop this track of thinking.
instead it’s time for the US to make good on the Monroe doctrine and get the fn dictatorships who are friendly with China and Russia outta this hemisphere. It’s time we do more to help our hemisphere than China does and get China the hell outta this hemisphere.
instead it’s time for the US to make good on the Monroe doctrine and get the fn dictatorships who are friendly with China and Russia outta this hemisphere. It’s time we do more to help our hemisphere than China does and get China the hell outta this hemisphere.
Hard to do that when the United States has been more than willing to prop up mass murdering right wing dictatorships in Central and South America for a long time.
The US should be a friend and an example to the world. Not it’s policeman or it’s daddy.
The US should be a friend and an example to the world. Not it’s policeman or it’s daddy.
Unprovoked? The US state dept helped to overthrow a duly elected president in Ukraine because he was more aligned with Russia than Europe. We then installed a pro Eu/US president. We promised not to expand nato past germany but we are right on Russias border. Parts of our government have wanted this war for 20 years and determined to get it.
If Ukraine joins nato then Russia has zero buffer from an attack. They would lose their access to the black sea.
This isn’t accurate. Ukrainians freely elected their own president and there is no evidence the revolution was spurred by the US.Unprovoked? The US state dept helped to overthrow a duly elected president in Ukraine because he was more aligned with Russia than Europe. We then installed a pro Eu/US president. We promised not to expand nato past germany but we are right on Russias border. Parts of our government have wanted this war for 20 years and determined to get it.
If Ukraine joins nato then Russia has zero buffer from an attack. They would lose their access to the black sea.
I’m not sure most people in this thread are ready to have a conversation about American foreign policy and our interventions around the world. I think Putin is the aggressor here, but he didn’t just wake up and decide to invade Ukraine because he’s bored.Unprovoked? The US state dept helped to overthrow a duly elected president in Ukraine because he was more aligned with Russia than Europe. We then installed a pro Eu/US president. We promised not to expand nato past germany but we are right on Russias border. Parts of our government have wanted this war for 20 years and determined to get it.
If Ukraine joins nato then Russia has zero buffer from an attack. They would lose their access to the black sea.
< —- Ron Paul 08 and 2012 here. American foreign policy has been a disaster.
No he woke up and decided to invade Ukraine in order to save his dying country and live up to the standards of Uncle Joe Stalin who murdered millions of innocent people.
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