Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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Ukraine: Russian forces extrajudicially executing civilians in apparent war crimes – new testimony
Russian military forces have extrajudicially executed civilians in Ukraine in apparent war crimes, Amnesty International said today as it published new testimony following on-the-ground research. Amnesty International’s Crisis Response investigators interviewed more than 20 people from villages...
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This is from Amnesty International. I have not kept up with the “cultural wars” of the left or right enough to know if Amnesty International is considered “MSM,” or not, whether it is media based or not, or even if it is considered tilted toward the US’s interests.
I do know that the first permanent UN Security Council member in the 77 year history of the United Nations lost it’s membership/voting privileges on the U.N. Human Rights Council in the last 24 hours.
Yeah! Go Russia! Sanction the President of the United States!!! I will say this: it takes a lot of cajones to openly root for bad things to happen to your country when you are BASICALLY at war with a long-time adversary. “Trump lost, so I hope America fails! Wooooo!”
Wait, what? Why are almost ALL THE COUNTRIES IN THE ENTIRE WORLD against Vladimir Putin’s bullish? Could be that what he’s doing is ACTUALLY happening. Do you also think JFK didn’t get his head blown off in clear daylight? There’s ACTUAL VIDEO OF WHAT’S GOING ON! You can’t spin it. It’s there, it’s pure evil, and there’s nothing vague or nuanced about it. Russia has bombed and shelled maternity wards, shelters, and town squares. They are absolutely the bad guys and that’s really all there is to it.left wing twitter suspended a former military marine intelligence and United Nations weapons inspector.
I don’t know why I am trying. I am pleading for the souls of people who are comfortable in their right-wing BS to get their head’s out their asses and admit this is really happening, but I fear it does absolutely nothing. Believe what you want to believe. You will, anyway. You, Venezuela, India, Iran, and China. Good company.
Here’s a good start.
Ukraine: Russian forces extrajudicially executing civilians in apparent war crimes – new testimony
Russian military forces have extrajudicially executed civilians in Ukraine in apparent war crimes, Amnesty International said today as it published new testimony following on-the-ground research. Amnesty International’s Crisis Response investigators interviewed more than 20 people from villages...
This is from Amnesty International. I have not kept up with the “cultural wars” of the left or right enough to know if Amnesty International is considered “MSM,” or not, whether it is media based or not, or even if it is considered tilted toward the US’s interests.
I do know that the first permanent UN Security Council member in the 77 year history of the United Nations lost it’s membership/voting privileges on the U.N. Human Rights Council in the last 24 hours.
So I’m not trying to run with anything here and want to make sure i’m clear too - f2f conversation would add the body- lang, nonverbal comm and other intangibles
texts can be chinzy & vague
why wouldn’t you start with understanding the history of the land and people before you lay your entry point for assessing that conflict ?
and maybe that’s something that happens later with you - either way - there’s critical information/context that frames this
similar to how past balkan wars — feature the immutable alliance between Russia & Serbia / Serbs .....direct cultural ties and deeply ingrained care abouts
Shit Fire - my former employer & the sneering satire i’m picking up there - is totally warranted
Here’s a good start.
Ukraine: Russian forces extrajudicially executing civilians in apparent war crimes – new testimony
Russian military forces have extrajudicially executed civilians in Ukraine in apparent war crimes, Amnesty International said today as it published new testimony following on-the-ground research. Amnesty International’s Crisis Response investigators interviewed more than 20 people from villages...
history of the United Nations lost it’s membership/voting privileges on the U.N. Human Rights Council in the last 24 hours.
I’ll probably add Amnesty Intl into my matrix - good pick
Kievian State
^^ prob a better place to start
also - i def believe there has to be an attenpt at understanding G Soros’ well documented financial/political activities after the Cold War and how they related to cultural / economic “transformation” and re-inventing the Eastern European ++ Balkan ++ Russian regions
Guardian Link
Excellent Account of Soros Moves into Ukraine — Predating Current Conflict
^* these are two separate time periods and sets of circumstances that i’d implore anyone who wants to take on a deeper understanding of the cultural and historical angles that charge the whole scenario
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So what if U has done evil? It's R that doesn't belong in U. It's not that hard.
Nothing in my post is rooting for Russia. You idiots have nothing more intelligent to post if you think it puts Biden in a bad light. News flash, Biden is terrible regardless of who it is we are opposing. I am not rooting against America for Russia I am simply pointing out what you are deflecting on and that is Biden's ineptness and weakness allowing all of this to happen. You are getting your panties all wadded up because you are complicit with Joe and his admin destroying this country. Get back to me when you are behind protecting our country against domestic enemies such as Biden, Hillary, Pelosi, Obama, and most of the left.
Edited for your benefit. Who are we at war with? Perhaps you should look at our southern border for clues.
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https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...os/search?q=gideon+rose+on+cobert&FORM=HDRSC3
They knew this could happen and now they just want to profit. Here's a guy that was bragging about the US getting Ukraine to flip but warned that it could cause Putin to invade... and he laughed about it. Next video he says "Trump has pulled us back and we haven't started any wars, we're not causing depressions BUT".... This is the kind of thinking in DC. This guy thinks risking war is good policy but not causing wars or depressions is actually bad for us.
And its not an over-simplification. They bragged about it at the time. Nuland went to Russia a threatened Lavrov if they intervened in "their" plans.
You need to understand that what is best of us isn't what Nuland gives a shit about. She is making moves she wants to make and that she has convinced people in the State Dept are in our best interest... but we never voted on the is crap. This seems like the kinda thing we should debate in congress or outright vote on... right?
Wow, and you actually post crap like this knowing that you are lying. If you actually believe this, heaven help you.
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Why don’t they belong there ?
At a minimum the two States worked out an agreement that placed Russian assets and military forces in both Kiev & Sevastopol before the United States was even bothering to locate either location on the map
They should be considered capable - and afforded the opportunity to make such decisions right?
So that baseline puts Russia there with consent - meaning YOU CANT start the thought process or conversation with “Russia invaded”
And shouldn’t we just be ready to sit on out maybe ?
Can we FIND a war that doesn’t need our flailing and spastic death throes on display?
I've heard we are behind on hypersonic because they can't shoot down our icbm's. No need for us to have them. They had to develop them fast to defeat our missile defense. Hypersonics don't help us with their hypersonics. We'd need lazer's or something to defend against those.
Very very good job putting a light on critical/recent history there -
Nuland had slipped my mind
When you hear 99% of the references to HS munitions they are generally describing theater level weapons that travel MACH5 minimum and travel relatively short distances
Mostly Non-Nuclear
Sometimes featuring the “battlefield loiter and data collection” options
Likely running on component level items that meet RADHARD** test specs above/beyond standard MILSPECS for harsh environs
The HS design we tested was housed in an airframe remarkably similar to Raytheon’s JSOW Cruise Missile -
**Type of testing/prove out that demonstrates your electronics suite and the All Up Round — can continue to operate aftrt being exposed to Brief, Localized, Extremely Intense Bursts of Radiation....
Take this for its worth. Interview with a South American living in Ukraine in a city "under siege" right now. Good English speaker and Zuby is pretty classical liberal dude and ask's good questions and pushes back. If you have a vpn and use your home in eastern europe you can look up some of the videos he talks about.
War cathedral is certainly a new one. It would normally be amazing the America First folks are all on board with foreign wars. Not in this current propaganda cycle.
Regardless of any prior decisions or arrangements Ukraine has for years now made it clear they want to sever relations with Russia and align with the rest of Europe. They desire to be part of the EU and would like to join NATO. If I invite you into my home but later ask you to leave you have no right to stay or leave and then break back into my home because I once invited you in.
Russia is trying to dictate Ukraine’s future. Under no circumstances is that acceptable. Not sure how you could justify it in any form or fashion.
I just posted a video of Odessa claiming to not want to join Russia but would like to be free of Kyiv control. These areas are wanting independence for a reason folks. It isn't the Mayberry some people are wanting to make it.
The point? That there are some pro-Russians in Ukraine? Also in that timeline Ukrainians were protesting the decision of Yanukovych to align with Russia and forced him to resign and flee the country.
Ukraine IS Russia’s first home -
Before there was Russia - there was The Kievian State / Kievian Rus
So the “home”’ metaphor isn’t as clean here as it would be if Russia had sent forces into France or India
What would you say our strategic goal is with The Ukraine ?
What can the US actually accomplish there ?
What would you WANT to see accomplished?
All other barriers aside — that’s already sounding like spending Trillions in an attempt to — what? Secure Ukraine from Russian forces and stand guard for however long it takes for Russia to stop caring about the intervention on their doorstep?
I may be mistakenly assuming you WANT to see US Forces intervening there —
“Regardless of any prior decisions or arrangements Ukraine”
why would you lead with dismissing previous arrangements and/or treaties ?
Especially if the localized nations had some items they were agreeing on?
Your video was that of pro-Russian groups, not all of the people of Odessa or any other city. I’m sure there are people here that would be fine with a renewal of the Confederacy. That doesn’t mean they speak for the majority.
So Ukrainians can overthrow a pro russian president but odessa and eastern Ukraine can't overthrow pro oligarch president of Ukraine? Please explain the level of being able to throw off your government. Is it just OK if it's anti Russia? Was the USA ok to rebel against England? The point is they didn't want to be a part of either because both are corrupt as hell. As a freedom loving American you should want people to under their own chosen government and not the State dept approved government... but explain how I'm wrong.
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You didn't watch it. They said they didn't want to join Russia but would like to leave Ukraine. The "pro Russia" protest was just freeing people that spoke up against the coup against the elected president. People that just went on the street and said that it was wrong to overthrow the government... got thrown in jail.
That was a cbs story so they were selling the US state dept narrative. All that happened there was Odessa people freed people that were arrested for protesting a coup. They knew where they stood in the power shift and just wanted out.
Jeezzus, let’s venture back to the 8 century why don’t we? Ukraine and Russia have been separate states for the last 1200 years or so.
Our strategic goal is to help a sovereign state remain so and to help it defend itself.
Guess we could always just allow Ukraine to arm itself with nukes so that they wouldn’t need our help. They had them during the USSR and gave them up with the promise they would be protected and guaranteed sovereignty.
So you’re just ready to throw them to the wolves?
As long as we keep the doctrine against nuclear proliferation then we’re kind of stuck in the role of big brother. Give Ukraine what they need to drive the Russian army off their soil, grant them membership in NATO.
That’s kind of the way democracies work. The pro Russian President was ousted because he had promised the people of Ukraine they would join the EU, it was announced they were doing so and at the last minute they backed away.
Yeah, it’s ok if the majority gets their way and the minority doesn’t. You seem it insinuate that the pro-Russian minority should get their way? Zelensky was elected in part because he supported getting Ukraine back onto the path of EU membership.
Is it our strategic goal? I didn't vote on that and haven't seen any vote in congress on that. We do not have a single signed treaty with Ukraine other than whatever deal Hunter Biden signed with the Oligarchs. Granting Ukraine into nato is what caused this. Military experts for 30 years have said this is the price of pushing too hard in Ukraine.
If a guy tells you that if you date his ex wife, he's going to beat you. You date his ex wife and he beats you... Yea.. dude broke the law but you knew it was coming and you did it anyway. So you carry part of that burden... Yes?
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I watched the story. Yes, there is a pro-Russian minority in Ukraine. They have demands. How is that any different than any other group that protests anywhere? You seem to jump to the conclusion they speak for the majority of Ukrainians. There were loyalists here that wanted the colonies to remain subject to the British crown. Elections have consequences.
So democracy is a few thousand people showing up outside a capitol building and demanding to overturn an election? I've heard this referred to differently somewhere.
You know Zelensky ran in 2014 and got 2% of the vote then Kolomoisky got behind him and he won? So who is the president? The guy that got Zelensky elected is banned from entering the US and owes fines in over a dozen countries. He's a criminal king pin. He litter ali cut peoples arms off with chainsaws to get the owners of businesses to sign their property over. He isn't the richest oligarch in Ukraine but he is by far the most feared. He has the largest mercenary army and helps fund 2 other mercenary armies. He started the violence in the donesk and donbas... a US publication, wrote in mid-June 2014 that Kolomoyskyi enjoyed the local population's strong support. "I don't care if he's like Hitler, as long as he prevents war coming here," says a local restaurateur.[31]
Don't just ignore that quote... Think about it and how it relates to possible ww3?
You didn't hear the lady say she talked to a leader and he said he didn't want to join Russia? Wouldn't that mean they weren't "pro" Russia? They were just "pro" getting the hell out of that mess. So why spin those people as "Pro Russian"? hmmm.
If Moldova got rolled into Ukraine would you be OK with it or should Moldovians get to decide their own future?
I don’t allow others tell me who I date. Maybe he whips my ass, maybe he bites off more than he can chew. Regardless, what he wants couldn’t be less important to me. No, I don’t carry any of the burden because he never had any right or business in my affairs.
Ah, but the entire planet minus a few countries are all lining up to help Ukraine because of Hunter Biden. Good gawd you’re stupid.
Again, the people in your report are the minority POV in Ukraine. There are leaders in every group. Yes, I watched and listened to the entire report. Why do you give so much weight to that report but dismiss others from the same source? You think you can fit it to a narrative you want to believe.
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