Historical inaccuracy of the intelligence apparatus of the United States and it's influence on all Western nations.
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And what do you know of Russian intelligence accuracy? Ritter is parroting Russian news that we all know is heavily censored. It’s telling that Russians who can, seek western news as they know theirs is untrustworthy. Especially after they have removed/silenced all internal sources that offered opposing and independent POVs.
I’d ask if you’d given much thought to those facts but I understand you just pick a side and then parrot what they tell you. No thinking required.
Pointing out the truth is “ slurping the Russian propaganda”?
Do you ever think for yourself or just run with what you’re told to repeat every morning?
- Ukraine didn't invade another country.
- Where did the Donbas residents get the idea they have the right to vote to leave? From the US Confederacy?
- What makes you think such a vote was in any way legit by all residents there before the 2014 fighting there?
Yep. R's March 8th goals. U agrees. What are R's March 9th goals? LOL if you don't know it's more of U.
Thanks for responding. Yes, Trump had lots of good ideas and did good things - more than most all other Prez'. I voted for Trump twice & won't again for his not respecting our election process even if flawed (& costing Pubs US Senate control). But I don't take him to represent US Conservatism nor do I think Conserves as a group do. That said, Dims are way more authoritarian with all their constraints on media & regulations created w/o their being votes & take over of the economy with higher taxes.
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No, we actually saw the crime happen. That is real evidence.
What we’ve scene doing far from Ukraine is blurred out pics, or images from satellites of supposed mass burials. We also have testimony that Ukraine was killing their own civilians from Ukrainians.
All I’m saying is perhaps, with all that Ukraine and the west has exaggerated in this past month, we should hold back on the war crime and genocide condemnations. That would be the prudent thing to do, when narratives aren’t more important than truth.
A Russian oligarch tried to bypass US sanctions before with an interesting American accomplice and a unique justification. A holy war.
Germany says they have both audio and satellite evidence. Argue with them.
Makes sense that in the Russian historical mindset that this would be considered a literal Crusade to them. I.e., Putin isn't a madman but fanatical, ain't ever stopping.
Bill, please let us know of how you have first hand knowledge of any of this because if you don’t (and you don’t) then you’re trusting some other source of information/misinformation.
You think there was election fraud despite the fact that not one factual piece of information supporting that claim can be presented. It appears you have limited your information input to a very small/narrow band of informants that tell you what you want to hear.
US isn't party to the international court on war crimes because we fear it would be used against us, correctly or not, overwhelmingly due to our involvement in so many conflicts.
And who cares if it was legit. That territory belongs to the sovereign nation of Ukraine. Since so many don't like the fact that Azov and Ukraine fought to keep that land I'm guessing they felt the same way about our civil war.
What we hear from Russia is highly censored. You do understand they have squashed all internal media that doesn’t toe the company line…right?
You also know that videos can be faked/staged.
There are 100s of journalists in Ukraine right now and they tell a little different story than what claim. Does that mean there are no war crimes from the Ukraine side??? No, but then Ukraine didn’t invade Russia. There is also a history of what Russian soldiers have done in other conflicts. You might want to check on that.
Personally, I couldn't care less what Ukraine does to Russian soldiers. Invaders get what they get.
I’m not arguing anything, I’m simply stating the facts that we have and the danger in jumping the gun.
Are you so naive that you can’t admit that a lot, if not most of what we’ve heard so far is BS? The US govt just admitted they didn’t actually have any evidence that Russia was going to use Chemical weapons, but they sure as hell told us they did for weeks.
Lol, you agreed with my original statement. The US House of Representatives or congress won’t be investigating war crimes, so the vote was irrelevant.
No one in Russia will be held accountable if they are charged with a war crime, because they won in Ukraine.
It appears you’re a troll, a bad one at that.
How is what you’re describing in Russia different than what’s happening in the US? I have no idea what’s being reported by Russians, but I know our media has lost the trust of the American people by their actions.
There were no journalists in the video, there have been no journalists at the Ukraine videos either. In fact the US has prevented journalists from being embedded or have access with US troops in Eastern Europe.
The election was stolen, and the country is paying for it now.
Exactly what they set out to do. Ukraine isn’t joining NATO, they will get the Donbas regions, Zekensky just stated they will model themselves after Israel and they have hurt the West standing throughout the world.
Evidence of someone who is "going to" do something is a bit tougher than evidence of what they've done. I know Russia is lying thru their teeth, they always do. They did it to their own people and soldiers. Anything they say I will ignore until I have hard evidence. As for Ukraine, I'm sure we're getting a biased view of things but I'm not sure I've seen any huge lies they've told so far.
At any rate, what is your response to what Germany claims?
They will not get the Donbas region. I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what is wrong with modeling Israel.
I'd say you don't know what you're talking about.
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There's nothing wrong with modeling after Israel, and they have already gotten the Donbas.
Sounds like his efforts in invading the brains of some “Americans” on this board are what have been effective. He must jump out of your closets at night.
To the point: if you or anybody equate questioning what is happening with taking a “side”, let’s be real: you’re a gold-plated dumbass. And there are a lot of you here. It’s reprehensibly stupid. It sounds even stupider after the last 5 years of Russia/Covid bullshit lies, and the Iraq war lies before that. It’s like none of you have learned a damned thing.
Only fools would not question that the same liars are now herding us into yet another war that has no geo-political relavence to our country. But nope. It’s muh, Russia.
Interesting, seems like convenient timing, but if it occurred that to is a war crime.
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