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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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Difference between this and any event you just mentioned is that it's factually the largest military offensive in Europe since WW2. If you can find one bigger, I'd be happy to correct myself.

This is also the same general region that kicked off the past 2 World Wars.
Russian tanks rolling into Hungary and Czechoslovakia is more provocative than Russia attacking Ukraine. And if you really think that Ukraine and Russia is where world war I and world war II started, I really can't help you.
 
I don’t know if you’ll ever realize that our leadership sucks regardless of the letter next to their name. Russia has been hellbent on getting Ukraine back. They annexed Crimea in 2014. Should we have gone to a full blown war to stop that? That would have a lot of additional consequences and loss of life. We may still be fighting that war if we put boots on the ground.

What exactly should Biden have done? It’s easy to say it’s on leadership and chalk it up as a win for your political party, but that’s a large oversimplification of a geopolitical issue. Putin wouldn’t have avoided invading Ukraine because Trump asked him to.
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Russian tanks rolling into Hungary and Czechoslovakia is more provocative than Russia attacking Ukraine. And if you really think that Ukraine and Russia is world war I and world war II started, I really can't help you.

Slow your roll on the straw man arguments there, Kemosabe. I never said this is WW1 or WW2. It could elevate to that though, sadly, and there are many many parallels.

I think what you are trying to communicate is that the conflict in Ukraine is being overblown by the media.

And to that I'd respond, how can we under react when a democratic country is invaded by a historical enemy, an authoritarian, on the border of NATO allies? It's incredibly serious
 
Slow your roll on the straw man arguments there, Kemosabe. I never said this is WW1 or WW2. It could elevate to that though, sadly, and there are many many parallels.

I think what you are trying to communicate is that the conflict in Ukraine is being overblown by the media.

And to that I'd respond, how can we under react when a democratic country is invaded by a historical enemy, an authoritarian, on the border of NATO allies? It's incredibly serious
What I'm trying to communicate is you put a incompetent crazy old bastard in the White House and expect the world not to react. You guys own this. Wear it with pride.
 
What I'm trying to communicate is you put a incompetent crazy old bastard in the White House and expect the world not to react. You guys own this. Wear it with pride.

This is a lazy ass way of arguing and let's be real, it's because you don't have an argument. To be honest, I don't know what you're even arguing. You're just saying you don't like Joe Biden, basically. Cool! Good to know! I wanted to know who you voted for the in the last election!
 
This is a lazy ass way of arguing and let's be real, it's because you don't have an argument. To be honest, I don't know what you're even arguing. You're just saying you don't like Joe Biden, basically. Cool! Good to know! I wanted to know who you voted for the in the last election!

Lol....whatever. Biden in charge now is like Urkel getting in the ring with Tyson. We're in big trouble with this incompetent dipshit in the White House.
 
What makes you think that other than you want it to be true? He didn’t have the balls to fire Fauci like he should’ve, but sure, he’d probably beat Putin in a geopolitical battle.
He couldn’t fire Fauci, and the complete fubar of the last year is why Putin felt he could go in to Ukraine without a military reaction from the US. Also the fact the dipshit in DC told him we wouldn’t intervene militarily.

BK was right yesterday when he wrote that Ukraine has been a cluster since the USSR fell, he’s right. It’s been that way because Western leaders realized they could dangle a NATO carrot in their face and make millions. They invited the instability, and then cashed in, it’s disgusting how corrupt we’ve become.
Ukraine should’ve been admitted to NATO years ago.
 
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This is a lazy ass way of arguing and let's be real, it's because you don't have an argument. To be honest, I don't know what you're even arguing. You're just saying you don't like Joe Biden, basically. Cool! Good to know! I wanted to know who you voted for the in the last election!
Sure.
 
Do the people of those regions want to be a part of Russia or Ukraine?

Depends on the region of Ukraine and even then it's pretty ambiguous. There are certainly some regions more pro-Russian than others. That much is true.
 
GABBARD: What is being revealed here, Jesse is the truth. Hillary Clinton and the power elite in this country manufactured this Russian collusion lie, actively undermining our democracy and stoking the filers moving us into this new Cold War with Russia. The damage that they did to the American people, our democracy, and others around the world is immeasurable. It's impossible to measure and it leads us to this point where we sit today where we have people who were integral in making this happen. People like Jake Sullivan now holding very influential positions of power and shaping our countries' foreign policy.

What they are doing is telling the American people, they are telling us saying hey, you have got to be ready to go war with Russia or other countries to, you know, spread democracy to protect democracy and, yet, they are actively undermining our democracy here at home. This is their hypocrisy being exposed. And the American people deserve accountability. Hillary Clinton and her warmongers need to be held accountable. And Jake Sullivan, who is in a very influential position now in the Biden administration's White House, he needs to resign immediately for his role from this.
 
He couldn’t fire Fauci, and the complete fubar of the last year is why Putin felt he could go in to Ukraine without a military reaction from the US. Also the fact the dipshit in DC told him we wouldn’t intervene militarily.

BK was right yesterday when he wrote that Ukraine has been a cluster since the USSR fell, he’s right. It’s been that way because Western leaders realized they could dangle a NATO carrot in their face and make millions. They invited the instability, and then cashed in, it’s disgusting how corrupt we’ve become.
Ukraine should’ve been admitted to NATO years ago.

I don't know that I'd go that far. I do think they should've been admitted at some point though and we wouldn't be in this situation if they were. Putin himself is on record at some point saying something to the degree that he wouldn't care if they did join NATO (years ago).

Think it really bubbles a few main reasons they weren't admitted

1) Instability in the Ukrainian political system had potential for an unwieldy alliance.
2) This area is personal to Russia and in arms distance to Moscow. NATO has been careful to tread too deep, perhaps to a detriment, but I think the US has always known what is taking place now was a probability. In effect, admission of Ukraine increased probability of all of NATO having to take arms.
3) NATO is bigger than the US. Germany has veto power, for instance, and has stated recently they would veto Ukrainian entry even today.
 
I don't know that I'd go that far. I do think they should've been admitted at some point though and we wouldn't be in this situation if they were. Putin himself is on record at some point saying something to the degree that he wouldn't care if they did join NATO (years ago).

Think it really bubbles down to 2 main reasons they weren't admitted

1) Instability in the Ukrainian political system had potential for an unwieldy alliance.
2) This area is personal to Russia and in arms distance to Moscow. NATO has been careful to tread too deep, perhaps to a detriment, but I think the US has always known what is taking place now was a probability.
US politicians became wealthy off of Ukraine. From money they approved to go to Ukraine. They approved this funding because Ukraine was vulnerable, a vulnerability that entry into NATO would’ve greatly diminished.

The corruption of our leaders is coming home to roost, and Ukraine is paying for it in blood. Maybe paying off politicians is how it works, but if you’re another country that’s doing that you might be thinking of changing lots right about now.
 

Great post...I've always said great leaders know how to surround themselves with good people.

FYI, had the unfortunate moment in time to meet, the then, LtGen Loyd Austin who is now our Sec. Of Def. -- I walked away unimpressed and felt (with no concrete proof) that this individual was making his way thru the ranks based on everything at his disposal, other than intelligence.

I'm afraid everything to date supports that impression...
 
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Russian forces are a reported 20 miles from Kiev per CNN and are battling for control of Antonov airport.
 
US politicians became wealthy off of Ukraine. From money they approved to go to Ukraine. They approved this funding because Ukraine was vulnerable, a vulnerability that entry into NATO would’ve greatly diminished.

The corruption of our leaders is coming home to roost, and Ukraine is paying for it in blood. Maybe paying off politicians is how it works, but if you’re another country that’s doing that you might be thinking of changing lots right about now.

Gonna need some evidence on these claims
 
Gonna need some evidence on these claims
Evidence? Pelosi’s son and Romneys campaign member was on the same board that Hunter Biden was on, Burisma.

The Clinton foundations biggest donor was Ukraine.

I guarantee if a deep dive was taken you could find deals just like these with other members of the US Govt , Western Europe. And NATO.

Ukraine owns a major data mining site in Western KY, it’s in Calvert City. Russia will have access to this now.
 
Evidence? Pelosi’s son and Romneys campaign member was on the same board that Hunter Biden was on, Burisma.

The Clinton foundations biggest donor was Ukraine.

I guarantee if a deep dive was taken you could find deals just like these with other members of the US Govt , Western Europe. And NATO.

Ukraine owns a major data mining site in Western KY, it’s in Calvert City. Russia will have access to this now.

I am not denying that there is corruption in Ukraine. The government there has a reputation of corruption. Where I fail to see a link is between US politicians getting rich and Ukraine not joining NATO. I think they'd probably benefit even more by Ukraine joining NATO. If it was up to the US alone, they might've joined NATO already.
 
you mean comrade Psaki?

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You do realize that communism ended in Russia in the 90's. There haven't been "comrades" there for decades. That is just a Russian hat. And why is it relevant to anything?
 
I am not denying that there is corruption in Ukraine. The government there has a reputation of corruption. Where I fail to see a link is between US politicians getting rich and Ukraine not joining NATO. I think they'd probably benefit even more by Ukraine joining NATO. If it was up to the US alone, they might've joined NATO already.
Because Ukraine not being in NATO creates desperation on their part.

If Ukraine is in NATO they don’t have to pay politicians for favor.
 
So what's your plan? I think sending antifa is a dandy idea. Rather than burning things in the United States and destroying things here they can go destroy things in a foreign land.
Agreed but unlike our typical pansy-wanly police prosecutor response to Antifa, the Ruskiee would be kicking their ass without mercy.
 
Ukraine’s people rose up in the mid 2000’s against the Kremlin’s boys in charge and got shot for it.

All the Ukrainians want is the same standard of living they see the former eastern bloc states like Poland have.
 
From what I have read, the regions that are being invaded are people Russian regions and strong majority of those people identify with Russia and Putin more than Ukraine
 
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