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Why is so much of the world gray and not green?
Short of China, the rest of the gray is maybe 10 percent of world GDP. Too poor to take a side, and too insignificant to help or hurt Russia’s effort, and not worthy of the diplomatic effort to bring them into the sanctions.

I suspect you know why China is gray.

Does anyone need to explain North Korea?
 
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Whether it’s Africa, the ME, Asia, Latin America most are concerned about the “moral foundation” of the USA and Europe
Most?

Most of what?

Most of the people of those areas are deeply concerned with feeding their families, and “most” are not mulling “the moral foundations” of anything.

Those tens of thousands, from all over the world, who show up every month on our Southern border to beg, borrow or steal their way into the US didn’t gather in Ciudad Juarez for a discussion of our “moral foundation,” and any doubts they had didn’t spoil their trip there.

Half the areas you list are Muslim; and half the Muslim world wants to party like it’s 1399, so I won’t lose too much sleep if they question why we don’t disfigure female genitalia in youth or in marriage.

4 million refugees, ten million displaced, hospitals and kindergartens bombed in Europe, and I’m supposed to fear the supposed philosophical meanderings of the most illiterate portions of the planet, whose populations are much likelier focused on the spectacle of Europeans killing Europeans than upon the moral foundations of The US.

Hell, I bet the Indonesian’s sh!t a brick when we landed on D-Day, because our female entertainers showed too much leg at the GI shows in France!

Who gives a sh!t?!?
 
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This war is about globalism, plain and simple. Russia refused to subjugate itself and so they were forced into a corner by the West using Ukraine as a vassal state to instigate the conflict.
I bet you can sing “The Internationale” in two languages!

Here’s the English version:

 
Stuff Not Being Talked About Much:

(1) Why Russia might not want a “long” war.

Ukraine has a city nicknamed “rocket city” where many of the Soviet Union’s nuclear missiles were designed and built. Ukraine has many nuclear power plants and plenty of fissionable materials.

Yeah, Ukraine signed an agreement in the 90’s to give up nuclear weapons and we and the Russians agreed to respect their borders.

Now Russia has invaded.

How many weeks would it take for Ukraine to develop intermediate range nuclear tipped missiles capable of hitting Moscow and St. Petersburg?

How long to produce 100 of them?

They have the minds, the materials and the motivation. Their maternity wards, kindergartens and residential neighborhoods are being hit. How long would we stand by without resorting to what would be a huge game-changer?

Russia best find a way out of this war in 90 days!!

(2) Why China is standing behind Russia . . . as far behind Russia as they can get.

China signed an agreement in 2013 guaranteeing that Ukraine was protected by their nuclear umbrella!

China pledges unconditionally not to use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against the nuclear-free Ukraine and China further pledges to provide Ukraine nuclear security guarantee when Ukraine encounters an invasion involving nuclear weapons or Ukraine is under threat of a nuclear invasion,” a joint statement on the pact said.

Headlines in the Chinese Communist Party-affiliated state media noted the accord, including a People’s Daily headline that stated, “China offers Ukraine nuclear umbrella protection.”

Whoops!!

 
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Now, let us be extremely clear from the outset about one very important fact: just because Putin is a great man, that categorically does not mean that he is a good man.

I am no Putin apologist or fanboy. While I greatly respect the Neo-Tsar (obviously), I know him to be a very cold and exceptionally dangerous character. He IS a thug – albeit an extremely intelligent, cunning, capable, and talented one. Putin is not warm or gregarious in the manner of St. Reagan of the Right – he does not make you feel good and happy simply by watching him speak. He is cold, calculating, cunning, and genuinely scary in some ways.


 
While I greatly respect the Neo-Tsar (obviously),
Well, I’ll say the “Neo-Tsar” has done more for smoking than Joe Camel.

He has three thousand former Russians vehicles, fifteen thousand former Russians and Belgorod smoking like a chimney!!
 
The airport at Dnipro was destroyed by rockets, which are generally air munitions. I haven’t seen a source suggesting artillery . . . , is there a report you can link from Europeans?

Sure, Russians have hit targets hundreds of miles from their “boots on the ground,”
but an encirclement requires heavy ground forces, and those have not penetrated near a central position in Ukraine from any report I have read.

I’m not suggesting encircling Dnipro with roughly the same number of troops/tanks the Russians spread across all 4 or 5 axis of attack would be unwise, it just sounds damn-near impractical.

Tanks and APC’s require lots of fuel. The Russians efficiently move them about inside Russia by an efficient and huge rail system. The rails in Ukraine have been destroyed, wherever desired by the Ukrainians. The Russians used fuel trucks to go only 60-80 kilometers into the north, eastern and southern edges of Ukraine, and lost many of those trucks.

The Russians heading East from Kiev are headed East . . . those headed North from Kiev are headed North . . . Dnipro is due South of Kiev.

Sure, once those troops hit Russian or Belorussian soil they can be loaded on trains to do a thousand mile loop around Ukraine to go the the Southern approaches, but, again, it is tough logistics.

I suspect that if any major thrust occurs into central Ukraine from the South, it’ll be with fresher troops.

I don’t have to believe Ukrainian propaganda when photos and films of hundreds of destroyed Russian tanks and heavy vehicles are available on You Tube. The Russian forces withdrawn from Kiev have been in the fiercest and deadliest fight experienced by Russian forces since April, 1945.

I suspect their bolt is shot.


Dnipro has received so many evacuees that places to stay are in short supply. Rumyanceva and Rubanov say they spent their first night on the floor of a restaurant.

Like most of those seeking refuge in Dnipro, they didn't plan to stay. "We're afraid that everything that's happening in the eastern part of Ukraine is soon going to be the same in Dnipro," Rubanov says.

They've not yet decided where to go next. But for now, Dnipro works: The front lines are 60 miles away, and they can buy a fresh pirozhok pastry any time they like.

Rubanov cracks a joke: "It's kind of like a honeymoon."

Npr story from 3/29/22
 
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Short of China, the rest of the gray is maybe 10 percent of world GDP. Too poor to take a side, and too insignificant to help or hurt Russia’s effort, and not worthy of the diplomatic effort to bring them into the sanctions.

I suspect you know why China is gray.

Does anyone need to explain North Korea?
So why has the USA sent diplomats to India, Pakistan, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey just this week?

You don't need explain North Korea but India, israel and Pakistan would be nice.
 
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Hmm. Israel isn't sanctioning Russia.

I thought the world was sanctioning Russia?

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That looks like the Nato nations plus japan, Greenland and NZ... and one little South American country. Pakistan just signed a new trade deal with Russia. Putin and Lavrov both met with India in the last week for new trade and defense deals. I sure hope that Biden is as good at foreign relations as the media thinks he is.

I think it's very interesting that Israel is never mentioned when these things come up. Even Switzerland was mentioned this time around, but not Israel. Doesn't anyone else think that is weird? A friend pointed that out to me early on, and I've been watching for it all this time. Nothing.

It's like wexner. Never mentioned as being behind anything. Like everyone is afraid to even mention the name.
 
Stuff Not Being Talked About Much:

(1) Why Russia might not want a “long” war.

Ukraine has a city nicknamed “rocket city” where many of the Soviet Union’s nuclear missiles were designed and built. Ukraine has many nuclear power plants and plenty of fissionable materials.

Yeah, Ukraine signed an agreement in the 90’s to give up nuclear weapons and we and the Russians agreed to respect their borders.

Now Russia has invaded.

Umm. Talk about one-sided and propaganda...

Do you know what was also agreed to in the 90s, or did you not read all of the Wikipedia post about it? NATO and the US making a huge investment and physical presence in the country is not "respecting its borders," nor respecting the agreement.

It's like approving of the slaughter of native Americans because people wanted land, as a legit reason to break treaty after treaty.

How many weeks would it take for Ukraine to develop intermediate range nuclear tipped missiles capable of hitting Moscow and St. Petersburg?

How long to produce 100 of them?

They have the minds, the materials and the motivation. Their maternity wards, kindergartens and residential neighborhoods are being hit. How long would we stand by without resorting to what would be a huge game-changer?

Russia best find a way out of this war in 90 days!!

Looks like Russia planned a way into and out of this from the beginning and people just refuse to acknowledge it.

When they "surrounded" cities they were harangued as incompetent for not doing it completely, but the civilians fled through the gates they left open. The media promoted it as if the UA was maintaining humanitarian corridors, when their forces were hiding in schools and theaters using civilians and civilian areas as their shields.

Then media then promoted that the UA and its azov battalion (nazis to the media 2 years ago, but now miraculously heroes) were somehow like the US patriots in the revolutionary War, fighting with guerrilla style tactics... Except they aren't. Our patriots didn't use civilians and civilians homes as shields. They were still out and away from settlements when they did their fighting. They just used the rural terrain against the red coats. Media spin that an owl couldn't keep up with.

Russia said they didn't care about Kiev early on. Media said they did and that they wanted to take the capital. Then the Russians "surrounded" part of Kiev and the media foamed at the mouth. Oops, but then the Russians moved away from Kiev without doing much damage. Now "they must be defeated, yay! They didnt get Kiev!"

The problem with being on the media teets is that it makes people look stupid and they don't have any clue as to why.

(2) Why China is standing behind Russia . . . as far behind Russia as they can get.

China signed an agreement in 2013 guaranteeing that Ukraine was protected by their nuclear umbrella!

China pledges unconditionally not to use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against the nuclear-free Ukraine and China further pledges to provide Ukraine nuclear security guarantee when Ukraine encounters an invasion involving nuclear weapons or Ukraine is under threat of a nuclear invasion,” a joint statement on the pact said.

Headlines in the Chinese Communist Party-affiliated state media noted the accord, including a People’s Daily headline that stated, “China offers Ukraine nuclear umbrella protection.”

Whoops!!


Interesting that the only possible reason mentioned that China hasn't said much is JUST the media narrative. No other possible reason? Never even thought about it? Why is that?

Have you considered that China doesn't want or trust any NATO or any US presence in Ukraine?

You mention the agreement (or the portions that suit the narrative anyway) but stop short of justifying China's lack of action against Russia that is clearly their responsibility as part of said agreement. Why? Have you even thought about it independent of what your media is telling you? China is BOUND to act, yet hasn't.

Could it be that CHINA of all countries, China that kills its own people and steals the world's tech and intellectual property, is actually waiting to see what Russia does before jumping to suggested conclusions, while Americans have lost their collective minds to blood lust? How ironic would that be?

What if Russia told us it was a humanitarian mission, but it WAS actually a humanitarian mission? Maybe they feigned a takeover to make sure they'd meet their other objective, and to allow the world to see the machinations of European and US media. Great possible story, but no one is telling it. Why?

If you're not asking these questions, are you completely programmed or just not interested in whether the information you receive is right or wrong? Has convenience dulled our wits entirely?

What will everyone do if Russia just leaves Ukraine after this? It's what they said they were doing. Their story hasn't changed yet.

When/if it does, and they storm in with real weapons and eliminate the population, taking over the country, then you can claim justification, enlist yourself, and go to war. Right now, however, all of the hatred and battle cries, the one-sided arguments, the name-calling and character assassination over the loss of another corrupt pawn says more about you than anyone that refuses to jump to conclusions.
 
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A thread that follows along the lines of where The Paddock is heading today with regards to munitions. From someone who should know.
 
Is this satire or a legit article?

It's on the Peace Corps website.

https://www.peacecorps.gov/ukraine/preparing-to-volunteer/diversity-and-inclusion/

"It is not uncommon for Ukrainians to refer to African-Americans as “[N-Word]”. Volunteers of color may be called 'a monkey' or may see children’s games with Blackface. Being aware of the history of dehumanization for people of African descent may help inform where this comes from; it does not justify it. It will be at your discretion to determine the intent. No matter the intent, staff recognizes the impact that hearing that word may invoke hurt and anger. If you view it as unlearned [something the person has never been exposed to], it may be an opportunity for you to educate that person. We are here to support your successful service, and these comments and images can be a huge distraction and obstacle to you. Know that Peace Corps staff is here to support and encourage you. Do not hesitate to remove yourself from such situations. You are not expected to be subjected to such treatment. You can also find support and understand from other African-American Peace Corps Volunteers serving in Ukraine."
 
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Up until very recently, perhaps last twenty years or so, many Germans also referred to Africans and African-Americans by using the N-word. Contextually speaking, blacks have been much more respected in Central Europe over the past 100 years than here in the USA. I've often found such references by Germans as merely describing darker skin tones and nothing more.
 
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Up until very recently, perhaps last twenty years or so, many Germans also referred to Africans and African-Americans by using the N-word.

I shouldn't be surprised but I still am. The etymology of the word is "black," after all. With all of the drama we're caught up in here I just forget sometimes that the rest of the world isn't.
 
Brother, you are one sick MF if you can convince yourself of this rambling, babbling nonsense.

Just sick.

You are a master of the fallacy, Hack. Got to give you that. Why bother discussing when you can just cast aspersions and mischaracterize without having an original or relevant thought?

If you can't answer a simple question, I get it. Better to get emotional and deflect. I have no problem putting you back on ignore. This petty sht is all I get from you when I ask a question or submit other possibilities. You didn't use to be such a zombie back in the late 90s, or at least hid it well.

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This- ? - is a question mark. If you see one, make a mental note that it's NOT a statement being made, but a question. How does one TAKE the LSAT without getting that far in school?
 
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Educate me about “what was also agreed,” oh wise one.

Lol. You've gotten so squishy soft. Did I hurt your feelings with a question...

It's not a matter of wisdom, Sherlock. Try reading what all sides agreed to back then. Wash your hands and then type in google . com.
Look up a topic. It's amazing what reading can do for you.
 
I shouldn't be surprised but I still am. The etymology of the word is "black," after all. With all of the drama we're caught up in here I just forget sometimes that the rest of the world isn't.
Between 1995-2005, many German companies realized their errant ways and instituted a more appropriate name, transitioning from "N----küsse" to "Schockoküsse" (Chocolate kisses). Those treats are truly delicious.

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Most?

Most of what?

Most of the people of those areas are deeply concerned with feeding their families, and “most” are not mulling “the moral foundations” of anything.

Those tens of thousands, from all over the world, who show up every month on our Southern border to beg, borrow or steal their way into the US didn’t gather in Ciudad Juarez for a discussion of our “moral foundation,” and any doubts they had didn’t spoil their trip there.

Half the areas you list are Muslim; and half the Muslim world wants to party like it’s 1399, so I won’t lose too much sleep if they question why we don’t disfigure female genitalia in youth or in marriage.

4 million refugees, ten million displaced, hospitals and kindergartens bombed in Europe, and I’m supposed to fear the supposed philosophical meanderings of the most illiterate portions of the planet, whose populations are much likelier focused on the spectacle of Europeans killing Europeans than upon the moral foundations of The US.

Hell, I bet the Indonesian’s sh!t a brick when we landed on D-Day, because our female entertainers showed too much leg at the GI shows in France!

Who gives a sh!t?!?
I agree that poverty stricken places have bigger concerns but they also tend to be very conservative in regards to morality. We aren’t talking about too much leg we are talking about 2/3 of the world oppose the types of social movements happening in the USA. We aren’t talking religion either we are talking traditions and everything the left in America want to upend.

It’s the USA and Europe who see eye to eye but not the rest of the world. It’s a very small percentage of Latin America that bolts for the us border. Very small percentage <1%. Many would rather die poor than be forced to accept USA social outlook. Honestly a lot of those Latin Americans bolting for the USA are not the type of people who give a shit about morality. It may seem like a lot of people to Americans but the majority of Latin Americans do not want USA values imposed upon them. I live in Latin America and I have yet to meet a person who says “I want to leave for America”. I know alot of people from Colombia Costa Rica Nicaragua. You’re misguided in your assertions.

Btw Orban winning big in Hungary is proof of that and a big blow to nato. Eastern Europe doesn’t want westernized immoral values imposed either
 
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Short of China, the rest of the gray is maybe 10 percent of world GDP. Too poor to take a side, and too insignificant to help or hurt Russia’s effort, and not worthy of the diplomatic effort to bring them into the sanctions.

I suspect you know why China is gray.

Does anyone need to explain North Korea?
Don’t devalue people based on their nations gdp. This is the shit Americans do that pisses the world off. Those people count as much as a billionaire and war has a way of creating equality. It’s a very arrogant position which is how America is viewed. China belt and road initiative will take care of the world while Americans instead just try to ram their values down everyone’s throats.

im also gonna throw in how jacked up western values are if you say 70-80% of the earth populations only make up 10% of world GDP. Like I said before this isn’t about too much leg it goes so much deeper and it’s not only about the immorality of homosexuality or whatever. The USA gets richer and richer on the backs of these “poor” countries and that is a morality issue to the core.
 
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Uhhhhhhhhhh,

THEY WAZZZZZZ!!!!!!

Now that is over for 100 years, or more, regardless of the outcome of Putin’s war.

There will be monuments built by Ukrainians on those Russian bones.
What do you mean 100 yrs? Russia and Ukraine were the two most populous countries to make up the Soviet Union 30 years ago. It wasn’t until yanukovych was removed in a COUP the usa supported that Russia and Ukraine began to drift apart.
 
Between 1995-2005, many German companies realized their errant ways and instituted a more PC name, transitioning from "Negerküsse" to "Schockoküsse" (Chocolate kisses). Those treats are truly delicious.

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In the Spanish speaking world black is negro. No one gives a crap about political correctness except the libs that invented it in the USA. My neighbor even named her dog negrita. If she took her dog to the USA she would be canceled from society. This is the crap the rest of the world doesn’t want to hear. 350 million Americans, 200 million Western Europeans a handful of Canadians and Australia care about this crap the rest of the world doesn’t want it.
 
I agree that poverty stricken places have bigger concerns but they also tend to be very conservative in regards to morality. We aren’t talking about too much leg we are talking about 2/3 of the world oppose the types of social movements happening in the USA. We aren’t talking religion either we are talking traditions and everything the left in America want to upend.

It’s the USA and Europe who see eye to eye but not the rest of the world. It’s a very small percentage of Latin America that bolts for the us border. Very small percentage <1%. Many would rather die poor than be forced to accept USA social outlook. Honestly a lot of those Latin Americans bolting for the USA are not the type of people who give a shit about morality. It may seem like a lot of people to Americans but the majority of Latin Americans do not want USA values imposed upon them. I live in Latin America and I have yet to meet a person who says “I want to leave for America”. I know alot of people from Colombia Costa Rica Nicaragua. You’re misguided in your assertions.

Btw Orban winning big in Hungary is proof of that and a big blow to nato. Eastern Europe doesn’t want westernized immoral values imposed either

Orban won?

So no Hunter Biden energy position in Hungary? Bummer. I surmise Hunter won’t have the influence he had in Ukraine.
 
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Russia and Ukraine began to drift apart.
That drift is assured to be a yawning gap for decades given the slaughter of the Ukrainians.

Putin has earned the nickname “Butcher of Bucha” and this will last beyond our lifetimes.
 
That drift is assured to be a yawning gap for decades given the slaughter of the Ukrainians.

Putin has earned the nickname “Butcher of Bucha” and this will last beyond our lifetimes.
Are you sure? Because some reports are saying that Azov were killing pro Russian civilians. Russians wear white arm bands and Ukraine wears blue. All the people found dead on the street had their arms tied behind their back with a white strip of cloth. Supposedly some social media sites show Azov guys bragging about it.
 
That drift is assured to be a yawning gap for decades given the slaughter of the Ukrainians.

Putin has earned the nickname “Butcher of Bucha” and this will last beyond our lifetimes.
Maybe, maybe not. There is a long way to go and no one can predict what’s gonna happen. There’s a chance that the people revolt against zelensky for fighting in the entirety of the country instead of just recognizing Crimea as Russian and Donbas independent. Would have saved a lot of destruction and lives. Americans may not understand this thinking bc we are hardwired for freedom and democracy. Putin could die and his successor could have deep Ukrainian roots. There are so many outcomes but one thing is for sure. Nato and western influence in Ukraine is coming to an end bc russia will not leave until that cord has been cut.
 
Americans may not understand this thinking bc we are hardwired for freedom and democracy.
Yes.

We are.

And apparently now over a million armed defenders of Ukraine are.

As to your prior referenced to China’s spending, I hope you are right, but that they don’t extend the “silk” road to Taiwan!!
 
Are you sure? Because some reports are saying that Azov were killing pro Russian civilians. Russians wear white arm bands and Ukraine wears blue. All the people found dead on the street had their arms tied behind their back with a white strip of cloth. Supposedly some social media sites show Azov guys bragging about it.
It’s a very complex situation that our media only shows what is in the best interest of the USA. It does not show the full picture. I mean those al jazzera articles and the other from a think tank about fallujah should demonstrate to all Americans things aren’t so black and white. Our military used far more lethal weapons in the ME.

Of course the USA tries to minimize civilian casualties but by most accounts 1.5 million Iraqis died bc of our decision to fight an unnecessary war. One in which our country lied to the world about wmds and al queda affiliations. What happened in iraq was on a scale far greater than this war. Americans shouldn’t be lecturing anyone. I would also say that Iraq war in a way enabled russia to think they can do what they want bc the USA unilaterally did what they wanted in Iraq. There was global condemnation over that war in a similar vein to this one. We jizzed our capital and good will away in Iraq the way Putin jizzed any capital he had with the west in Ukraine.
 
Are you sure?
The Azov battalion is engaged in battle in Mariupol, hundreds of clicks south of the mass grave they found in Bucha a few miles from Kiev . . . seriously, hmt, there are dozens (if not hundreds) of reports the last 36 hours of the Russian genocide as they withdrew from Bucha, and there can be no confusion (regarding Azov) with a brief review of the geography involved.
 
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It’s a very complex situation that our media only shows what is in the best interest of the USA.
I read Al-Jazeera reports, everyday. They are damn good journalists, but have not deviated from the US reporting, on Ukraine.

Are you saying Al-Jazeera’s reporting us only reporting “in the best interests of the USA” in Ukraine?
 
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