It was clear to begin with that he was talking R troops in U for anyone who made any effort. GD.
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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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Neither one of you have any clue outside your American bubble. You can call me idiot all day long and we can compare education and experience you will always come out on the short end. But I’m the idiot. Lol
you two have a very narrow worldview keep pumping that cnn garbage. Geesh
Saying you're dug-in & close-minded would be too much of a compliment, so I won't.
Differentiate between the people and the military. Stop lumping all Russians into the same category. I’m sure you did it with Arabs too or any middle easterner after 9/11 and during the Iraq war.
I've heard the arguments of education & experience on so many subjects, & I'll tell you that neither say a thing about one's ability to draw accurate conclusions from the data.
Me close minded? Give me an fn break. You gotta a mirror in your house? I’m sorry but I take in news from all over the world before rendering an opinion. I don’t sit and take what American media says as gospel. That’s closed mindedness. If you have a tiny bit of experience outside of the USA echo chamber maybe you wouldn’t seem so ignorant
All the data I need is to hear you sound like a parrot repeating what cnn says. I’ve made it clear I think Putin is not a good guy but I will refer to what’s happening in Ukraine as an action by that government not it’s people. When the dude said “these Russian” that’s a pretty fn broad brush and was an advocacy for genocide. I know how to read between the lines with your little group there. It’s not brain surgery to recognize media brainwash
the media is trying to drive hate and division between Americans and Russian peoples. We aren’t even involved in the war tells you all you need to know about what they are doing to you.
hey…did the USA media show photos of towns the USA leveled in Iraq and dead Iraqis everywhere? Did they do this all the time? Basically never unless it was Americans. Brainwash buddy. I don’t blame our people or our soldiers for that war but i sure as hell blame our government and political leaders.
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If I ever see cnn, it's a mistake on my part. And of course I speak his language. It's the Am dialect of English. Is that so hard for you to get? Net, it's an example of u being close-minded.
What is this data analysis? You just keep spewing garbage man. It doesn’t even mean anything. You can’t even explain yourself or your thoughts.
Btw any data you present will be completely cnn based biased.
Fallujah Babies: Under A New Kind Of Siege
Doctors and residents blame US weapons for catastrophic levels of birth defects in Fallujah’s newborns. Fallujah, Iraq – While the US military has formally withdrawn from Iraq, doctors …
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Cmon man wake up! Did you do this?
A must read.
www.newstatesman.com
“Russia cannot afford to lose, so we need a kind of a victory”: Sergey Karaganov on what Putin wants
The Kremlin adviser explains how Russia views the war in Ukraine and the fate of liberalism.
www.newstatesman.com
“but now people like myself and others are questioning the moral foundation of Western civilisation.”A must read.
“Russia cannot afford to lose, so we need a kind of a victory”: Sergey Karaganov on what Putin wants
The Kremlin adviser explains how Russia views the war in Ukraine and the fate of liberalism.
this strikes at the heart of what’s happening and global perceptions towards the west. Whether it’s Africa, the ME, Asia, Latin America most are concerned about the “moral foundation” of the USA and Europe
The US and Europe no longer have a moral foundation. They've bought the lie of secularism and applied it whole cloth to our societies.
Dnipro is going to be the next Mariupol. Supposedly 60000 Ukraine soldiers are effectively cut off but neither side were advancing during peace talks. If word about Zelensky saying he won't concede any land and Britain, Germany and US apparently are going to back him...
Russia is rotating in new troops supposedly around 150000. That'll give them close to 200000 in east Ukraine counting Donbas and Donestk militias. We'll see. Im praying for peace though. Rumors of "false flag chemical attacks" is worrying me that we are going to get into this fiasco. I don't trust anybody in the Biden WH to get us through this without a huge cluster f_ck.
Russia is rotating in new troops supposedly around 150000. That'll give them close to 200000 in east Ukraine counting Donbas and Donestk militias. We'll see. Im praying for peace though. Rumors of "false flag chemical attacks" is worrying me that we are going to get into this fiasco. I don't trust anybody in the Biden WH to get us through this without a huge cluster f_ck.
As if any country's leadership has had a moral foundation for over 100 yrs... When leaders are purchased, the foundation is that of the morals of the purchasers, who by the nature of the purchase, have none.
Hmm. Israel isn't sanctioning Russia.
I thought the world was sanctioning Russia?
That looks like the Nato nations plus japan, Greenland and NZ... and one little South American country. Pakistan just signed a new trade deal with Russia. Putin and Lavrov both met with India in the last week for new trade and defense deals. I sure hope that Biden is as good at foreign relations as the media thinks he is.
I thought the world was sanctioning Russia?
That looks like the Nato nations plus japan, Greenland and NZ... and one little South American country. Pakistan just signed a new trade deal with Russia. Putin and Lavrov both met with India in the last week for new trade and defense deals. I sure hope that Biden is as good at foreign relations as the media thinks he is.
This war is about globalism, plain and simple. Russia refused to subjugate itself and so they were forced into a corner by the West using Ukraine as a vassal state to instigate the conflict.Hmm. Israel isn't sanctioning Russia.
I thought the world was sanctioning Russia?
That looks like the Nato nations plus japan, Greenland and NZ... and one little South American country. Pakistan just signed a new trade deal with Russia. Putin and Lavrov both met with India in the last week for new trade and defense deals. I sure hope that Biden is as good at foreign relations as the media thinks he is.
I said exactly that. Are you being intentionally obtuse or does it come natural. The rest of your post. Hahaha Hahaha You really are an idiot.
Hey Parrot, no one watches CNN. I think you get a tiny little woodie every time you say it.
By your admission, you're the one who watches CNN. Rolf@u
OK, so I can read the opinion of an old Soviet era Marxist-Leninist, and an intellectual heir of Russian imperialism.
And that is supposed to inform me of what?
That old Russians do not like or respect pluralistic democracy, and the success of western capitalism?
Hey, I’ve known that for decades.
So reading this source, what is a rational response?
Apologize to authoritarians because they are fearful of their historical and intellectual opposites?
Blame the Ukrainians for trying to build democratic and capitalistic foundations on the ruins of Soviet era policies, with the Bear at their door?
Hell, had we only listened more closely to the broadcasts of Goebbels in 1935, maybe we could have gained even earlier insight into our Western failures, avoided that war, and allowed another claptrap group of authoritarians to rule Europe and the world.
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Good interview with a former US soldier talking about history and russian doctrine and how it applies to the current war.
He also touches on what is about to happen in Dnipro. The cauldron method they use is encircling 60000 (he says 100000) Ukraine soldiers. While the media is selling that Russia is being beaten back by Ukraine. 40,000 russian troops are moving east to join the encircling of those Ukraine troops. Ukraine is incapable of moving large groups of soldiers without taking heavy losses. So what you will see from mon to thur is around 200000 russian troops flooding the area around Dnipro and the troops that went back to Belarus will be used to harry any attempt to aid those trapped troops.
This is why Ukraine is begging for air power. They all know this is coming. They are betting they can get us involved before they all die. Hell of a bet.
A good strategy, but tough logistics.
For 200K Russians to reach Dnipro, they will have to travel farther from their current possessions than any Russian has traveled from any direction into Ukraine, but without the use of rail, easily interceded, and rendered useless by the Ukrainians to date in all theaters.
Do the Russians have enough fuel trucks to fuel a 100 kilometer jaunt of 200K men and heavy machines, when Ukrainians have shown to be adept at knocking out Russia’s relatively modest fleet of fuel trucks, already depleted by 10/20 percent in other theatres?
To date Russia has nibbled at most at 60-80 kilometers depth into Ukraine from well established supply depots in the Donbas, Russia, Crimea, Black Sea ports, and Belarus. And they ran short of gas and ammo on all but one axis of attack, the shortest to Mariupol.
Now they can magically move 200K from Monday ‘till Thursday of one week, more than 100K into Central Ukraine and loop them another 50 kilometers around a huge Ukrainian city?
Maybe, but where were these logistical magic makers when they tried to encircle Kiev and Karkiv?
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Zelensky is no fool. No one in Ukraine legitimately hopes or expects to get us involved directly in the conflict, unless they have ignored the history taught by 70 years and at least a dozen conflicts involving the nuclear powers.
Russia did not get directly involved with ground troops in Korea, Viet Nam, etc., etc., and we did not get directly involved in Afghanistan, Hungary, Checkoslavokia, etc., etc.
Instead, each side has played the game of supply and support, generally to the extreme detriment of the one acting directly in an intervention.
But Zelensky is a good politician: he loses nothing domestically by asking the West to risk nuclear war, satisfies his people by going to the wall for them, and assures himself a non-ending flow of conventional arms, aid and even volunteers from the West.
Horsecrap. If that guy thinks China is winning right now, he’s crazy. China is on thin ice with the world for supporting Russia.A must read.
“Russia cannot afford to lose, so we need a kind of a victory”: Sergey Karaganov on what Putin wants
The Kremlin adviser explains how Russia views the war in Ukraine and the fate of liberalism.
Do not discount the possibility that some thoughts expressed on this thread are actually directly supplied by Russian propagandists.
Political discussion topics and forums are soft targets for foreign folks to manipulate.
[Beware any sentence ending in “ . . . is potato.”]
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Where are the 40000 russian troops, leaving kyiv and heading east, going?
But we will know by thur so all the talk will be done then. We'll know which side is telling the biggest tales.... because both sides are selling propaganda and the truth is somewhere in the middle of what either says.
And many people in Europe would disagree that Russia has only moved 80 kilometers into Ukraine. Dnipro has been taking shelling for about a month. Its further than 80 km.
This is a turkey news map of whats going and it's not pro russian because it doesn't even show russians in Odessa or that russians are attacking towns around Dnipro area. If you listen to the video I posted the guy said that Russia wasn't looking to take cities because they didn't have the numbers to do that on large scale without just destroying the city.... and Mariupol is destroyed. They are only going into cities to take out hardcore fighters. They are hoping to bypass passive towns and cities or to negotiate surrender.
He pointed out that we would of taken out rails, tv, radio, bridges and roads on day 1 if the US invaded a country.... Russia didn't do that for some reason.
You think they were trying to encircle Kyiv but the guy on the video said that they didn't use enough men to do that and it was a faint to hold the men in Kyiv so that they could cut off the army in the East. The air superiority has meant that now Ukraine can't move large #s of troops without taking a pounding.
Zelensky is selling a narrative that they are winning to encourage us to get involved.
Just giving some of you a different perspective from the MSM. I think we all agree that they lie regularly.
Right.
China saw a 70 kilometer traffic jam, and envisioned a 150 kilometer swath of sunken vessels pointed at the ROC.
If the military embarrassment and economic castration of a like-minded authoritarian state (which happens to be their only ally) . . . if that is pleasing to the Chicoms, they might also consider engaging in medieval flagellation for sh!ts and giggles.
The airport at Dnipro was destroyed by rockets, which are generally air munitions. I haven’t seen a source suggesting artillery . . . , is there a report you can link from Europeans?
Sure, Russians have hit targets hundreds of miles from their “boots on the ground,”
but an encirclement requires heavy ground forces, and those have not penetrated near a central position in Ukraine from any report I have read.
I’m not suggesting encircling Dnipro with roughly the same number of troops/tanks the Russians spread across all 4 or 5 axis of attack would be unwise, it just sounds damn-near impractical.
Tanks and APC’s require lots of fuel. The Russians efficiently move them about inside Russia by an efficient and huge rail system. The rails in Ukraine have been destroyed, wherever desired by the Ukrainians. The Russians used fuel trucks to go only 60-80 kilometers into the north, eastern and southern edges of Ukraine, and lost many of those trucks.
The Russians heading East from Kiev are headed East . . . those headed North from Kiev are headed North . . . Dnipro is due South of Kiev.
Sure, once those troops hit Russian or Belorussian soil they can be loaded on trains to do a thousand mile loop around Ukraine to go the the Southern approaches, but, again, it is tough logistics.
I suspect that if any major thrust occurs into central Ukraine from the South, it’ll be with fresher troops.
I don’t have to believe Ukrainian propaganda when photos and films of hundreds of destroyed Russian tanks and heavy vehicles are available on You Tube. The Russian forces withdrawn from Kiev have been in the fiercest and deadliest fight experienced by Russian forces since April, 1945.
I suspect their bolt is shot.
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