The only way it gets supplied is via direct flights straight down the Baltic sea from St. Petersburg, or by ship.
Visited St. Petersburg back in 2015, beautiful city that I’m glad to have visited before Russia went batshit crazy.
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Visited St. Petersburg back in 2015, beautiful city that I’m glad to have visited before Russia went batshit crazy.
Time for the Odesa residents to put those Neptune anti-ship missiles to good use.
hmt5000 thinks there's high likelihood that U forces did this. At least that will be his line.
I imagine it was bsc then & we didn't know it or want to know it. Was to St. Pete in 2018. Yes, beautiful.
Russia will eventually move to strengthen their presence in the middle east - ports with syria and alignments with turkey and iran will be more formalized i expect
that will eventually cause a serious conflict IMO but they’ll be welcomed as our reputation and tarnished legacy fades and ebbs away
It didn’t HAVE to be this way man
the US could have departed from the “empire tactics” and still maintained a healthy economy, national sovereignty and maybe even salvaged a reputation of sorts
but oh HELL no - we can’t have nice things
we have to get run into the damn ground and ultimately disposed of in epic ugly fashion as the outgoing superpower that’s remembered for endless air strikes, human trafficking, and playing god with other peoples governments
Does anyone here have kids considering military service??
if you start with the disgust for the sickening , degenerate social depravity that’s being paraded and marched into your kids lives - schools, clergy and other areas ....
and THEN you look at the clearly documented and planned George Soros led reshaping of national governments into international entities - unaccountable and foreign to almost ALL CITIZENS INTERESTS....overturning governments and social institutions, ultimately owning the lending institutions and
banks ....led by a proud ACTUAL NAZI COLLABORATOR —-
and then you glance at the generations of used and forgotten veterans that died in vain and are now themselves targeted for marxist style purges
failing local / state economies and social contracts broken and reneged upon - veritable cancellation of basic constitutional/ creator granted rights - without open discourse...actually open honest discussion has been CRIMINALIZED categorically (by new State organs established to fight “domestic terrorists”)
you take that mess of Shit in and swallow it -
and it’s EASY to dislike or outright refute what passes for leadership in the entire western world
What does American culture look like?
what does it produce- and what are the benefits?
What new medical or engineering breakthroughs does the collective west offer right now?
Understanding enough Russian history SHOULD produce an easy respect for the people and a ready acknowledgment of the Russian values , redlines and cultural care-abouts that have been ceaselessly maligned, openly attacked or just ignored ....we’re supposed to NOT notice the near overnight ALIGNMENT OF MEDIA AGAINST ALL THINGS RUSSIAN....
You take it all in and maybe add a slice of industry/military type knowledge —— and it’s not difficult to come to a position that’s less “pro russian” and more critical examination of US/Western actions and policies
i mean - i know why i don’t trust or respect the NATO position
and while i don’t hold Russia in higher esteem than my native country - they have easily defendable angles to their current geo-political stance
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.....irrespective of your political beliefs - the Entire FKing structure of American government is near collapse
there’s not many signs that regular citizens are coming together to help/lift up/cooperate.....for ANYTHING.”
I’ve been reading this same prediction for 50 years: the sky has been falling for 246 years on the Republic . . . .
We’ve feared losing our status as the world’s reserve currency since DeGaul stabbed us in the back 52 years ago, but with every international controversy, the dollar surges.
The world “hates” us, questions our morality, distrusts our government and military, yet citizens of virtually every nation are lining our Southern border, now with thousands of Russian and Ukrainian, to gain entry.
We live in a remarkably ironic moment. We are as physically secure and as broadly wealthy as have been any people in world history, yet express insecurity; we possess and regularly use the greatest capacity of self-expression in human history (just read this thread) and some intone Orwell in comparison; we express fear and self-loathing, imagining the world despises us or our system, but unlike our strategic opponents, have to guard our borders, as the world would smother us voting with their feet to gain entry.
The sky is not falling!
REM said it best: “It’s the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.”
.....irrespective of your political beliefs - the Entire FKing structure of American government is near collapse
there’s not many signs that regular citizens are coming together to help/lift up/cooperate.....for ANYTHING.”
I’ve been reading this same prediction for 50 years: the sky has been falling for 246 years on the Republic . . . .
We’ve feared losing our status as the world’s reserve currency since DeGaul stabbed us in the back 52 years ago, but with every international controversy, the dollar surges.
The world “hates” us, questions our morality, distrusts our government and military, yet citizens of virtually every nation are lining our Southern border, now with thousands of Russian and Ukrainian, to gain entry.
We live in a remarkably ironic moment. We are as physically secure and as broadly wealthy as have been any people in world history, yet express insecurity; we possess and regularly use the greatest capacity of self-expression in human history (just read this thread) and some intone Orwell in comparison; we express fear and self-loathing, imagining the world despises us or our system, but unlike our strategic opponents, have to guard our borders, as the world would smother us voting with their feet to gain entry.
The sky is not falling!
REM said it best: “It’s the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.”
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that’s a great one actually
and we’ve had a strong presence in various forms of tech development since releasing the internet from its DARPA nursery
Israel is showing a LOT of medical research/ applied health advances right now - parkinson’s, alzheimer’s, leukemia and ALS are all showing some pretty significant vulnerabilities to emerging techniques coming from israeli universities and other research groups
its searchable. -
but i guess my point is — The Western nations are more or less ideologically bankrupt - ?
does anyone else see this?
the world is rapidly moving to a whole new model of governance, man
it’ll sound sane and inspired after the shitshow we helped put on for the world
here’s a semi related link showing how UAE and the Saudis are rethinking their alignments with the USA (read - support for petrodollar?)
Yahoo Link
i’m not saying anything other than this - massive changes in the world’s economy and self governance - are happening now
i’m not sure your references and comments can actually be discussed at r addressed though -
do you mean to say that because some people in the past have forecasted the end of the American republic - that nothing is happening now?
i’m not sure what you actually mean -
and the “intoning Orwell “ comment is kind of just a throw away statement
Eric Blair (Orwell’s actual name) - has certain political relevance because of his clarity and intellectual honesty
You should read his essays on politics and language contained in “All Art is Propaganda”
There’s a reason he’s stood the test of time -
I don’t know exactly HOW close - but we are absolutely on the verge of a major series of global changes -
I believe the New World Order and Great Reset are actual concrete THINGS that are emerging within the next decade or so - guessing on timeframe but hard to ignore the widely publicized support for both events from nearly all major international institutions, many NGOs and governments -
I think they really really mean it, man
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haha - kind of like that - yeah
and every single DAY is the end of the world for millions of people
many who didn’t expect it whatsoever- you know ?
i just hope people are mentally prepared?
maybe not just for the transfer of power aspect - but the almost certain introduction of scarcity and a lack of resources and structure that we’ve grown accustomed to
i just hope ppl start to opt out of the fear game and turn to helping each other as things - change
Hack!
get back with me on this later today if you can, manno
i’d like to hear your thoughts and specific observations on the US position now - and the direction/velocity in which it’s moving
get back with me on this later today if you can, manno
i’d like to hear your thoughts and specific observations on the US position now - and the direction/velocity in which it’s moving
Some of my (relatively recent) ancestors thought the same when the slaves were freed, and when Jewish and Italian immigration soared in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries.
America is simultaneously blessed and cursed by two closely related beliefs (realities) that were expressed most fully in the same year.
1776 saw “the pursuit of happiness” and “the invisible hand” find written expression in a remarkable 12 month time period. Both are arguably timeless reflections of mankind in the primeval “state of nature,” but 1776 saw them
enshrined as philosophies worthy of institutionalization.
And since their written expression, the Anglo-American world order has emerged, strengthened and enriched most of the world.
But each has lead to the enduring fear of a lack of “signs that regular citizens are coming together to help/lift up/cooperate.....for ANYTHING,” as each encourage the gradual, non-linear search for individual happiness and wealth.
Hitler mistakenly thought “a nation of shopkeepers” engaged in soulless capitalism could not compete, and Western capitalism so buried Kruschev’s “cooperative” model, he was willing to concede much to capitalism’s dynamism by the time of his forced removal.
Russia’s top-down, command-based military is floundering against the Western-trained Ukrainian army. The Ukrainian’s have adopted the non-linear Western method of allowing thousands on the battlefield to make decisions . . . the “invisible hand” works in more than merely the economic sphere.
there’s a lot of good in there and i really like your writing style too - most of that read like a good history book - i really do appreciate that (although i struggle to imitate it)
do you agree that the routine and almost constant references to an economic Great Reset / New Bretton Woods moment and such — represent actual political changes and newly emerging systems?
I’m sure you’re familiar with the rhetoric
Do you. believe it’s real?
You hanker after linearity. . . Which has comforts of it’s own, if you don’t mind everyone having to attend the same Church, or answer to “the Great Leader” of the Fascist or Soviet Republic.
The western choice since the late 16th Century has been the non-linear “shitshow” of allowing millions to make economic/political choices without heavy governance, and in general, “the pursuit of happiness.”
The Western model leads to greater physical wealth and individual choice, and the older/other models to greater certainty of equality and community and “sameness.”
The Western model in our modernity has extended “pursuit of happiness” to the entire range of human races, and to the most extreme/least common of minorities.
Hitler was also a socialist workers party member and apparently an occultist of sorts
A reactionary as well - there were conditions in post WW1 Germany that guaranteed an organized angry response -
The. mystery to me with Adolph Hitler is how clearly the Nazis took racial views and human husbandry habits designed to create a master class of people — from the Margaret Sangers, & Aldous Huxleys of the world -
i actually like the comment that i strive or seek linearity
it FEELS right even though i’m not 100% sure what u mean
So i THINK you’re saying these developments like a global framework for “governance” and a new world economic arrangement - managed presumably by the IMFs and World Bank types...
are natural progressions of Adam Smiths economic theory?
Or are you saying they’re reactionary developments pushing back against Smiths “unseen hand” and seemingly unrestricted capitalism - ?
That dictatorship and centralized planning were baked into the outcomes of many decades of western powers actions?
help me make that distinction before i have to shower here inna bit
The terms get slippery.
Often, when folks (such as George H. W. Bush) use the phrase “New World Order,” they are actually expressing faith/hope that the world order established by the Brits and protected by us (beginning in the 1500’s) is to spread into former Communist territories, of to lift the poorest remaining nations to greater wealth.
Again, in the 1970’s, my Dad bought books by the dozen warning of “the coming currency collapse,” and “the end of the dollar,” and all that foolishness that repeats itself through the paranoia of a nation determined to be on top.
One of the luckiest events of my education was finding two old Reader’s Digests when I was 14 years old, both from the late 1920’s. I read them from cover-cover. They had repeated articles comparing and contrasting American’s educational, military, and economic standing to that of the rest of the world, and WE WERE WHIPPED!, DOOMED, AND DAMNED!
They are the same process, extended beyond England and the US.
The IMF is just an international mechanism mimicking the 16th Century’s establishment of the Bank of England, and the early 20th Century’s establishment of the federal reserve.
The only thing “new” about it is that we and the Brits were willing to extend it farther than our own shores.
And, of course, free enterprise in any corner of the world is an extension of Adam Smith’s thinking.
No, those were Eastern influences that tended toward dictatorship/centralized planning, now pretty much limited (in the Northern Hemisphere) to Russia/China, though both have tried to have their authoritarian cake and eat the capitalist pie, too.
there IS a kind of seemingly ethereal / theoretical use of the term sometimes - i think papa bush wasn’t just being theoretical though
i believe it’ll be an actual manifestation of power and economic transformation - probably will have other aspects as well
an actual - “practical new world order” or real concrete goals to create global governance is also part and parcel with the NWO - it’s not just hollow words
consider this quote:
the “house of world order” will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great “booming, buzzing confusion,” to use William James’ famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault.
RICHARD N. GARDNER, “THE HARD ROAD TO WORLD ORDER,” FOREIGN AFFAIRS, APRIL 1974
people like this and MANY other influential human beings ARE pushing hard for actual international governance and a world economy - they’re lauding and damn near salivating for it - right ?
surely you acknowledge the widespread references on the world stage - ?
Economics not my strongest topic - but i love it anyway
Agree that the international institutions have largely been reflections of British/Western will and theory
But - there’s the transformative aspect of this that will happen after western powers engage in another world war
not trying to play dirty pool by citing the influence or something that’s not happened yet -
but clearly there’s an emerging and widely accepted world view that says we need international institutions to address international problems
factor in a major military conflict involving russia/the west
and suddenly your NWO is emerging triumphant and very real
Examples of linearity in architecture, are like cubists designs from the 60’s. Linear economics are typically traditional societies (African/Muslim/Medieval Catholic, mercantilistic/Slave) or Socialistic. Each of the more linear economic forms relied upon top-down authority/tradition from racial, religious and/orinheritedprivilege/monarchical/aristocratic norms, rather than just letting the shit fly, and watching wealth grow.
you believe russia and china pursue the same goals?
agree on your china hybrid communist/capitalist economic elements observation
russia is truly POST communism though
right ?
It has been emerging since 1588, and found much more artistic expression by Tennyson, who poetically proposed “a League of Nations” two hundred years ago in the same poem that he predicted commerce would move “Through the skies.”
He was also trying to get laid in the same poem . . . Locksley Hall.
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Russia and China pursue world hegemony and are using wealth in its pursuit. The Anglo-Americans have pursued wealth, and hegemony of a liberal fashion, resulted.
Russia is post-communist but so authoritarian by history and nature that there’s little difference.
or - arguably...since the fall of Babel
what we’re seeing isn’t new - it’s going to have elements of previous empires and civilizations i think
but it violates the basic notion that government is best when it’s accountable to its constituents - and its MOST accountable when local
Global Governance reeks of dictatorial cronyism and massive mismanagement of resources— on crack
tell me what you think of Aldous Huxley and his notion of “velvet glove dictatorship” where you LIKE being owned and dominated
do you think his books were just good fiction?
you’re familiar with his intellectual pedigree right ?
I can’t argue with anything there
While i can’t quantify it - i am certain that the US economic position is more tenuous than it’s been since we were just an experiment
Do you believe the word feels forced to turn to global currency because of the increasingly strained and waning US dollar ?
It isn’t sudden: it has taken hundreds of years, including 300 years before the religious majority in England quit suppressing the religious minorities, largely mimicking their American cousins.
The “New Workd Order” is “New,” only to the extent it is newly extended into previously traditional, authoritarian, or socialistic societies. Hence, it has “renewed” itself (in almost a regular linear progression) every 25-50 years since the 1500’s.
Yes - absolutely agree
ancient really
do you agree that IS military might is now eroding and losing its ability to successfully project power OR win hearts / minds ?
not a trap - i absolutely agree this is occurring
I’ve never read Huxley.
Our economic position is remarkably strong, still more than double the maximum world percentage of GDP than the English Isle’s possessed at the height of their empire (24% to 11%).
Many who write books use sensational bullshit to sell them. Any (in the West) who seriously suggest a melting of national borders is selling the book. The maintenance of rules based trade among nations is realistic, is exactly what the Anglo-Americans have been pursuing for centuries and is realistic. But it might be too boring to frighten you or sell you a book.
The US military possesses a greater preponderance of Naval power than did the English Navy at it’s height.
We have the sole ability to destroy ICBM’s on earth, hence the recent development of low flying hyper-sonic missiles.
With a quarter of the world’s GDP, we are assured of sufficient military spending to repel any threat, short of Nuclear War.
Should China equal our GDP by the year 2030, our alliances with the world’s third largest economy (Japan) 4th largest economy (Germany) 5th largest economy (UK) 6th largest economy (France) and the potential growth of India into a China-Hating Super-Power will see us in a remarkably strong position through the year 2050, when China’s sun will begin to set from massive de-population, dropping to 800 million by 2,100 compared to our 500 plus million. That “one child policy” turned out to be a time bomb for China: whatever they hope to accomplish, they have about 35 years to get it done.
I’ve never heard of a world currency idea. Sounds like some folks have written books they wanted to sell and frighten folks.
Probably the closest to a true world currency the world will ever have had, will have been the US Dollar.
If I had a few million of them, I would fly to the Polish border with Ukraine and hand a 100 bill to every refugee: any of them older than 10 years old would know what it was, what it was worth, and would say “Thank You” in English, and with a smile.
And it would be accepted about anywhere in Poland they wanted to spend it.
I’m sure you’re right about the metrics like GDP etc pointing to a strong US economy - and comparatively speaking with most of Earth - it IS a strong economy
But i believe the factors that underpinned and supported that phenomena are eroding or just going out of existence
Also - i believe the WILL to radically reinvent how the world functions - is strengthening and meshing across divergent aspects of humanity (religion, war-peace, environmental , technological etc)
** for example we exited WW2 as the lone industrial power / exporter - the world used /uses the dollar as the reserve currency & our projection of military power was able to protect and support those items
internet brings all new wealth - blah blah etc
we’re going to see a world wide crypto type currency as part of the new global economy
do you. believe you’ll see that happen?
I appreciate your military
i appreciate your military opinions and observations - the naval power comment is nostalgic and kind of sweet in an innocent way — PLEASE don’t take that the wrong way, man
Facing a modern foe will prove very different than what we’ve been able to skate by with when bombing the likes of iraq, afghanistan etc
the hypersonic vehicles were still out of reach for one of our main defense primes as recently as 2019 - were not quite there yet
the battle for AI and all the bizarre advanced tech that WE developed - is mind boggling
that doesn’t begin to address the tech we have admittedly received from “non human sources”
what did you think about that statement from the pentagon about 9-10 months ago?
i appreciate your military opinions and observations - the naval power comment is nostalgic and kind of sweet in an innocent way — PLEASE don’t take that the wrong way, man
Facing a modern foe will prove very different than what we’ve been able to skate by with when bombing the likes of iraq, afghanistan etc
the hypersonic vehicles were still out of reach for one of our main defense primes as recently as 2019 - were not quite there yet
the battle for AI and all the bizarre advanced tech that WE developed - is mind boggling
that doesn’t begin to address the tech we have admittedly received from “non human sources”
what did you think about that statement from the pentagon about 9-10 months ago?
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