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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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I don't think your liberal I just think you get all your info from the MSM. They tell you something and just gobble it up. Zelensky isn't a good guy. He is acting a lot like PUtin. But Putin is bad... Is Putin bad because of how he acts or because he's Russian?

Used to work for him.... So how does he have a $10 million home in Switzerland and a $35 million home in Fl?
Probably corrupt but that alone doesn't make him a bad guy. Is that all you have? You've never seen me link msm. I dont take anything at face value. I think you do but from some ignorant sources.
 
What’s to refute? You said it’s nonsense and specified nothing. Sorry buddy the crusades are over and Israel isn’t a holistic nation of total religious freedom. Even Jews put one another in buckets according to how judge one’s Jewishness.
You said Christians are run out. They aren't. 10% of Israel is Christian. Please refute that. I'll wait.
 
Probably corrupt but that alone doesn't make him a bad guy. Is that all you have? You've never seen me link msm. I dont take anything at face value. I think you do but from some ignorant sources.
Maybe. But if you aren't even hearing this stuff you clearly aren't looking around because I've found it in several different countries and by tons of former military and intel experts.
 
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You said Christians are run out. They aren't. 10% of Israel is Christian. Please refute that. I'll wait.
That’s not what I said.
“Israel is a Jewish state. What happens all the Christian’s flow in there and try to settle and that shit ain’t happening. It’s not the land for Christian’s it’s the land for the Jews. Israel doesn’t have a problem if you want to go and pray at the kotel or go to the mt of olives but you go there to live as a Christian they will run you out.”

I’m not saying Israel runs out Christians I’m saying if you want to go there and live as a Christian you cannot do it. They won’t let you. Even if you’re Jewish you forfeit your rights to make Aliya by converting to Christianity. You can’t be an evangelical and Proselytize without being deported. Read the link you attached.

The Christian communities that are already there such as the coptic, Greek Orthodox, Armenian, Ethiopian have been there for millennia. You know the old city has an entire area that encompasses the church of the holy sepulcher called the Christian quarter. There aren’t “new”Christian’s migrating and living in Israel they are ancient sects of Christianity. it’s not your Kentucky evangelicals either. These sects have very little to do with your brand of Christianity and their faith while Christian looks very little like anything in the mainstream beit Catholicism or evangelical Protestantism
So you are in fact completely wrong and you’re so angry you can’t even comprehend a small paragraph right now
 
Probably corrupt but that alone doesn't make him a bad guy. Is that all you have? You've never seen me link msm. I dont take anything at face value. I think you do but from some ignorant sources.
fascism
[ˈfaSHˌizəm]

NOUN

  1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
    synonyms:
    authoritarianism · totalitarianism · dictatorship · despotism · autocracy · absolute rule · Nazism · rightism · militarism · nationalism · xenophobia · racism·
    [more]
    • derogatory
      extremely authoritarian, intolerant, or oppressive ideas or behavior.
      "an outright ban is just fascism"
    • very intolerant or domineering views or practices in a particular area.
      "this is yet another example of health fascism in action"

    There are videos of Azov members going around cities to close down bars and gambling houses. You are hung up on Nazi's just being anti Jew. They can pick what they are anti. Ukraine nazi's aren't anti jew (at least not openly) but are anti immigrant, anti gambling, anti drinking, anti freedom and very anti Russian.
 
fascism
[ˈfaSHˌizəm]

NOUN

  1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
    synonyms:
    authoritarianism · totalitarianism · dictatorship · despotism · autocracy · absolute rule · Nazism · rightism · militarism · nationalism · xenophobia · racism·
    [more]
    • derogatory
      extremely authoritarian, intolerant, or oppressive ideas or behavior.
      "an outright ban is just fascism"
    • very intolerant or domineering views or practices in a particular area.
      "this is yet another example of health fascism in action"

    There are videos of Azov members going around cities to close down bars and gambling houses. You are hung up on Nazi's just being anti Jew. They can pick what they are anti. Ukraine nazi's aren't anti jew (at least not openly) but are anti immigrant, anti gambling, anti drinking, anti freedom and very anti Russian.
The word nazi has lost its meaning since everyone calls each other nazi or leaders hitler. The nazi party and movement was specific to the time period they established rule in Germany. Nazi now is just a slur. The next antisemitic nazi like movement won’t come from the nazi party. Then we’ll start calling each other Iranian as a slur since they took on the aryan moniker and they hate the Jews more than any group in the world.
 
The word nazi has lost its meaning since everyone calls each other nazi or leaders hitler. The nazi party and movement was specific to the time period they established rule in Germany. Nazi now is just a slur. The next antisemitic nazi like movement won’t come from the nazi party. Then we’ll start calling each other Iranian as a slur since they took on the aryan moniker and they hate the Jews more than any group in the world.
Is there a line you won't move to fit the official narrative?
 
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I was talking about the so called nazis. There are radicals in every society. You're wrong as usual. Do you ever research things or do you just get nonsense from a few agenda sites you like to visit? https://lawoffice.org.il/en/missionary-activity-in-israel/
Exactly. I saw through whatever this person is immediately. He/she/it posts some ludicrous screed then finds some miniscule niche in history to add in to try and lend credence to the rest of what is coincidentally the same propagandist bile Putin is running on their state television in Russia after blocking all other avenues of information from flowing into Russia. Still doesn't keep these clowns from repeating the propaganda in post after post in here,

Putin is appealing directly to the Republican Party's extreme wing and he's not even trying to hide it anymore. He recently said Russia was a victim of "cancel culture" which is a direct nod to our naive Republican extremists who, even in the face of a former KGB agent leading them on by the nose, simply cannot or will nor recognize when they are being had.

The part that gets me the most is they're not even good at it. It would be one thing if I could look across the table and at least nod in appreciation to the other side for fighting a good fight, but these guys are all amateurs and as transparent as glass. They hardly even warrant my attention, to be honest.
 
Exactly. I saw through whatever this person is immediately. He/she/it posts some ludicrous screed then finds some miniscule niche in history to add in to try and lend credence to the rest of what is coincidentally the same propagandist bile Putin is running on their state television in Russia after blocking all other avenues of information from flowing into Russia. Still doesn't keep these clowns from repeating the propaganda in post after post in here,

Putin is appealing directly to the Republican Party's extreme wing and he's not even trying to hide it anymore. He recently said Russia was a victim of "cancel culture" which is a direct nod to our naive Republican extremists who, even in the face of a former KGB agent leading them on by the nose, simply cannot or will nor recognize when they are being had.

The part that gets me the most is they're not even good at it. It would be one thing if I could look across the table and at least nod in appreciation to the other side for fighting a good fight, but these guys are all amateurs and as transparent as glass. They hardly even warrant my attention, to be honest.
False. Your hate of the republican party (liberal media does its job well) has you tying the republican party with Putin. You guys are so desperate to salvage votes for the midterms that you go to great lengths to vilify the right. Totally idiotic take.
 
False. Your hate of the republican party (liberal media does its job well) has you tying the republican party with Putin. You guys are so desperate to salvage votes for the midterms that you go to great lengths to vilify the right. Totally idiotic take.
I'm not tying anything to the Republican Party, did you not hear Putin's siren song about "cancel culture" trying to cancel Russia?

Do you really think Putin, a skilled former KGB agent, is saying that because he just all of a sudden woke up from a nap? That is a CLEAR signal to try and rally radical Republican elements to his side. And it is WORKING.

Do you not see them in here running THE SAME EXACT PROPAGANDA Russia is running on their state television about Nazi Ukrainians and US chemical labs? That's right off of Russia's greatest hits of their top talking points.

Don't do and be a party to something then get mad because somebody points it out. Are we supposed to close our eyes while you guys keep aiding and abetting Putin and Russia day after day after day?
 
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A person would have to be willfully blind to not see Putin is playing to the radical Republican right here with his appeal to "cancel culture":

 
I'm not tying anything to the Republican Party, did you not hear Putin's siren song about "cancel culture" trying to cancel Russia?

Do you really think Putin, a skilled former KGB agent, is saying that because he just all of a sudden woke up from a nap? That is a CLEAR signal to try and rally radical Republican elements to his side. And it is WORKING.

Do you not see them in here running THE SAME EXACT PROPAGANDA Russia is running on their state television about Nazi Ukrainians and US chemical labs? That's right off of Russia's greatest hits of their top talking points.

Don't do and be a party to something then get mad because somebody points it out. Are we supposed to close our eyes while you guys keep aiding and abetting Putin and Russia day after day after day?
He also organized a gathering for Antifa at the outset of the war.
 
I'm not tying anything to the Republican Party, did you not hear Putin's siren song about "cancel culture" trying to cancel Russia?

Do you really think Putin, a skilled former KGB agent, is saying that because he just all of a sudden woke up from a nap? That is a CLEAR signal to try and rally radical Republican elements to his side. And it is WORKING.

Do you not see them in here running THE SAME EXACT PROPAGANDA Russia is running on their state television about Nazi Ukrainians and US chemical labs? That's right off of Russia's greatest hits of their top talking points.

Don't do and be a party to something then get mad because somebody points it out. Are we supposed to close our eyes while you guys keep aiding and abetting Putin and Russia day after day after day?
How are you seeing official state Russian TV, and why are you watching it? I’d make a wager you’re the only one on here watching it.
 
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He also organized a gathering for Antifa at the outset of the war.
Not sure of what you are referring to but he absolutely would. He would also be working hard with BLM type instigation. That's why I am saying this is not anti-Republican Party it is anti-Putiin and he is being very successful at destabilizing Western governments, especially our own, from within.

Why do you think I have been railing against extremes on both left and right saying we all need to move to the center to get a handle on this stuff?

Now, on this board and especially in this thread it is dominated by extreme right leaning Republicans foolishly buying into Russian talking points and the very same ones airing on Russian television nightly, but in other places and other forums it certainly would be adopting Antifa and BLM themes to further divide Americans. Putin absolutely is playing to both extremes although nearly all his public statements are winks and nods to right wingers as his greatest success has been amongst their gullible orange masses.
 
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He's right. It's the only possible outcome. On his final thought, I don't know how easily Putin can do that. If I'm part of the Ukrainian resistance, I'd do everything in my power to kill every single Russian soldier. I'm sure there are tens of thousands more who will do the same. Putin leaving his men there would end up being a slaughter. Putins best move is to simply leave, declare victory back home and quietly lick his wounds.

The world only fears his nukes now and I don't think his people would allow him to kill them and the rest of the world. If he doesn't have that, he has nothing. His military is pathetic and everyone now knows it.
 
I'd do everything in my power to kill every single Russian soldier.
This is what is already happening and it is going to intensify the more the Russians fall back. The Russians are losing every single fire fight they enter into with the Ukrainians. That's why they are backing off and shelling because they literally cannot do anything else and they've basically thrown everything they have conventionally at the Ukrainians and lost decisively on the battlefield so Putin's options are dwindling rapidly. Soon he will be left with no options other than chemical and/or nuclear.

I'd say there is a strong building consensus among his inner circle that Putin must be killed and Putin being the skilled former KGB agent will understand that better than anyone. He will grow increasingly paranoid and perhaps even more delusional. Not especially good traits to have in a man with only chemical and nuclear options left for his very own survival.
 
I'm not tying anything to the Republican Party, did you not hear Putin's siren song about "cancel culture" trying to cancel Russia?

Do you really think Putin, a skilled former KGB agent, is saying that because he just all of a sudden woke up from a nap? That is a CLEAR signal to try and rally radical Republican elements to his side. And it is WORKING.

Do you not see them in here running THE SAME EXACT PROPAGANDA Russia is running on their state television about Nazi Ukrainians and US chemical labs? That's right off of Russia's greatest hits of their top talking points.

Don't do and be a party to something then get mad because somebody points it out. Are we supposed to close our eyes while you guys keep aiding and abetting Putin and Russia day after day after day?
False. You are tying it in solely on your hate for the right. Apparently, you can't read or comprehend. Show me where we are aiding and abetting Putin.
 
Not sure of what you are referring to but he absolutely would. He would also be working hard with BLM type instigation. That's why I am saying this is not anti-Republican Party it is anti-Putiin and he is being very successful at destabilizing Western governments, especially our own, from within.

Why do you think I have been railing against extremes on both left and right saying we all need to move to the center to get a handle on this stuff?

Now, on this board and especially in this thread it is dominated by extreme right leaning Republicans foolishly buying into Russian talking points and the very same ones airing on Russian television nightly, but in other places and other forums it certainly would be adopting Antifa and BLM themes to further divide Americans. Putin absolutely is playing to both extremes although nearly all his public statements are winks and nods to right wingers as his greatest success has been amongst their gullible orange masses.
Delusional as usual.
 
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Now, on this board and especially in this thread it is dominated by extreme right leaning Republicans foolishly buying into Russian talking points and the very same ones airing on Russian television nightly
that’s what is scary and it’s not just this board either. So many folks, in their support of Trump and opposition to anything left, have adopted Russia misinformation and propaganda as fact. A majority of the things that go viral and the thoughts of those on on the far rigth spectrum are actually getting their thoughts from Russian propagandists.
 
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There’s just no way Biden said that without first getting concurrence from staff. Maybe it was intentionally left off the prepared remarks but that seems like a very improbable gaffe on such a large scale.

How does its seem so improbable when just yesterday he sat in front of the troops and said that WHEN they got to Ukraine they'd see the carnage. I mean this guy, his party and his voters have changed history in a bad way and were just over a year in !! Sorry for the politics but man.
 
How does its seem so improbable when just yesterday he sat in front of the troops and said that WHEN they got to Ukraine they'd see the carnage. I mean this guy, his party and his voters have changed history in a bad way and were just over a year in !! Sorry for the politics but man.
I have gripes with Biden but he has handled this situation very well. His statements and actions have been direct and with purpose. I also think seeing how weak Russia is first hand has emboldened US/NATO to be a little more provocative with their statements.
 
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