Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

[Girthang]

I think Washington and the media are going to have a difficult time selling the public on funding this war for the next few years, much less decades like they want to. That’s why they’re already saying junk like “Putin likely to use chemical weapons (on women and children!!??”. Russia cyber hackers are going to take us down, for sure.

I just feel like both sides of the public aisle are sick and tired of that crap. Billions a week. To Ukraine. GFY, Washington.

I think you're underestimating the attention span of the left and those that listen to the media. I've heard so many people still repeating the lies of the past 2 years for months and even a year after the CDC, media, White house, and WHO have walked back their propaganda and admitted that the people they shunned, hushed, and banished were right from the beginning.

They'll suck at the teets of media endlessly, because the media has them well trained. They've been the victims of a huge sociological experiment and are now addicted to the media. Look how quickly people fell off the wagon. The media lied and 80% of the country knew it, and yet they're right back with their noses in the feed trough. Instead of raging against the machine, their rage is fueling it.

 

[jameslee32]

 

[vhcat70]

Look up Azov battalion. There are 2 other political parties in ukraine that align with Azov. The Nazi vote is estimated around 26% of Zelenky's government.

W/o providing a source, it's made up BS.

 

[Girthang]

How much culpability does the U.S. government hold for basically using Ukraine to goad Russia into this war?

The same % as the money we have and will put into it. What... 85%? 90%?

 

[vhcat70]

That is the thing. None of us like Putin. It would be awesome if Ukraine wrecked Russia. But the media isn't telling you the truth on the ground and none of us know what the hell is the truth. But I can't believe the people the people that lied to me for the last 5 years.

Gassy doesn't want Ukraine to wreck his beloved Russia. And since none of us know the truth, 26% of U government being Nazis is total bs.

 

[Girthang]

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Except they said capturing Kiev wasn't a goal weeks ago and a week ago, not just inventing this line of thinking in the past couple days. They're actually being consistent in this.

 

[vhcat70]

So Nazis are all good now? Left wingers calling Trump supporters Nazis for 4 yrs and beyond and now Nazis are ok.

I didn't see that one coming

He didn't say that. He said he accepts Nazis fighting for Ukraine IOF Ukraine to win.

 

[Girthang]

... even if I was killed with the first shot as soon as I got off the boat.

What makes you think you'd be getting off of a boat?

I don't know as a country how much of this we are supposed to just sit back and take? How many atrocities and war crimes has to happen before we say enough is enough and kick these civilian murdering vodka drinking fur hatted non-logistical understanding SOBs all the way back to Siberia?

Apparently, you believe 8 years worth, or you'd have been screaming from the internet sports forums about Ukraine's continued treatment of eastern Ukraine since then. Except the (relatively speaking) "native" Ukrainians aren't from Siberia...

 

[vhcat70]

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A 1000 Arov members in a Ukraine fighting force of up to 500K. Yep, we should hate Ukraine & support Russia. Got it.

 

[Girthang]

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Is it a captured BMP-2 or one manned by Russians?... Will wait for confirmation...

 

[Girthang]

Reported by Sky News defense editor. RUS morale must really be in the shitter by now.

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I'm guessing either way the morale of 50% of their military would be that way.

If the military thought this was a take-over invasion, they'd have low morale, because it doesn't look like it was meant to take over the country. If half thought it was to help those being shellaced in the eastern regions, half would be pissed because that's not the kind of sht the Russian military trains to do. Their tactics are usually much more brutal than they've been throughout this ... whatever it is.

They'd have wiped out Kiev if this was a take-over or putting down an insurrection. Their history looks nothing like the tactics they've used here. They could've wiped out most of the UA military in the first few days with their usual aggressive tactics, just like we used in Iraq. If people aren't asking WHY they didn't, they should be.

 

[JumperJack]

You haven’t put him and some others on ignore yet??

He just comes back with a different name.

 

[Girthang]

Why should it be removed? Don't you believe in the free interchange of opposing ideas? We aren't at war with Russia, and we didn't abide by our word when we convinced Ukraine to relinquish nukes.

Don't you trust people to come to their own conclusion, or if they don't come to one you like then they must be silenced? You almost sound like a....fascist. Now, I don't believe you are, and I don't believe the US was going to launch a preemptive biological attack, but I do believe they were in on some biolabs in UKraine, because Nuuland admitted it under oath.

What he is saying ABSOLUTELY IS FASCIST. We have to stop excusing fascist behavior no matter who is being fascist.

No one is saying that HE needs to stop believing the media. It's his right to believe whomever he wants, even if it is wrong or leads to his death. When it leads to someone else dying because he spouts creeds and dogmas of war and fear, that's a different story. If HE's signing up to go fight for real, he can be for the war. Nothing however is stopping him from going there now.

 

[Girthang]

When is Joe Biden going to denounce the neo Nazis in Ukraine that he is funding? Why won't he denounce his support for Nazis? Joe Biden thinks Azov army are very fine people

Hilary and Robert Byrd approve Joe's message

 

[Girthang]

LOL. Condescension from the history "buff" or more appropriately "buff-alo chip." I don't know why you're so long winded in being wrong about everything you talk about. You'd think less wordy lies would be more effective. I also don't recommend you brag about not even knowing the definition of "enemy" but that's just me. Read a book, indeed. I think you might be better served by the books on tape version over the loudspeaker in between your 8am and 1pm doses.

You finally read a whole sentence from one of my posts. You're getting more courageous by the month. Any decade now you'll pick up a history book. Let us know how that goes

Love it when people have nothing of substance to answer except fallacies like the appeal to emotion. It's not condescension you'd get if you knew one fkn thing and actually posted it in response instead of calling people comrade and other childish nonsense. You want it to stop? Step up and stop being a toddler.

Was what I said about history wrong? May I even ask that question or do I need to give you the fascist salute first?

 

[jameslee32]

 

[Girthang]

There's a 1000 just in that video.

The media lies so much that it's now just a buffet and people can pick and choose what lies they want to snack on, and those lies at which to turn up their noses. Those that have paid for their meal don't know what's real.and what's imitation meat, and they don't care.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

When is Joe Biden going to denounce the neo Nazis in Ukraine that he is funding? Why won't he denounce his support for Nazis? Joe Biden thinks Azov army are very fine people

Do you have some info that Azov is mostly neo nazi?

 

[Girthang]

My point was that there aren't many of them and I'm not to certain of their fanaticism when they voluntarily fight with Jews.

It's weird to me that people think that Jewish people are somehow automatically immune to being fascist or supremacists.

10 years or so ago, Jews in Israel firebombed the meeting place of a Christian community made up of other Jews because they were sharing their religion in PRIVATE. They can only do so in Israel because it is ALREADY ILLEGAL to preach anything in public other than Judaism, if you are Jewish or not. There isn't a single race or religion on this planet that has immunity to those ideologies.

 

[Canned Heat]

 

[Girthang]

Reichstag fire - Wikipedia

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[jameslee32]

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Sounds so familiar.

 

[Wildcats1st]

It's weird to me that people think that Jewish people are somehow automatically immune to being fascist or supremacists.

10 years or so ago, Jews in Israel firebombed the meeting place of a Christian community made up of other Jews because they were sharing their religion in PRIVATE. They can only do so in Israel because it is ALREADY ILLEGAL to preach anything in public other than Judaism, if you are Jewish or not. There isn't a single race or religion on this planet that has immunity to those ideologies.

You trying to take liberties on my people? Why do you want to paint Jews as fascist or supremacists ? Jews have fought like hell to preserve their faith and heritage and even their lives. It’s been an effort since the beginning of civilization and a constant attack.

Israel is a Jewish state. What happens all the Christian’s flow in there and try to settle and that shit ain’t happening. It’s not the land for Christian’s it’s the land for the Jews. Israel doesn’t have a problem if you want to go and pray at the kotel or go to the mt of olives but you go there to live as a Christian they will run you out. Jews have been run out of every country they’ve tried to settle in except the USA.

There is no doubt Israel is a highly nationalistic country. It has immense pride in its land. Israelis are anything but fascists and in Israel they will always be supreme. The Bible makes pretty clear what god thinks about the hebrews.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

It's weird to me that people think that Jewish people are somehow automatically immune to being fascist or supremacists.

10 years or so ago, Jews in Israel firebombed the meeting place of a Christian community made up of other Jews because they were sharing their religion in PRIVATE. They can only do so in Israel because it is ALREADY ILLEGAL to preach anything in public other than Judaism, if you are Jewish or not. There isn't a single race or religion on this planet that has immunity to those ideologies.

I was talking about the so called nazis. There are radicals in every society. You're wrong as usual. Do you ever research things or do you just get nonsense from a few agenda sites you like to visit? https://lawoffice.org.il/en/missionary-activity-in-israel/

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

You trying to take liberties on my people? Why do you want to paint Jews as fascist or supremacists ? Jews have fought like hell to preserve their faith and heritage and even their lives. It’s been an effort since the beginning of civilization and a constant attack.

Israel is a Jewish state. What happens all the Christian’s flow in there and try to settle and that shit ain’t happening. It’s not the land for Christian’s it’s the land for the Jews. Israel doesn’t have a problem if you want to go and pray at the kotel or go to the mt of olives but you go there to live as a Christian they will run you out. Jews have been run out of every country they’ve tried to settle in except the USA. My family had everything taken by the Egyptian government and were sent out from the land they lived in for 600 years. So they go to the USA and Israel to try and preserve what’s left of traditions that go back 1000s of years. When you make some absurd statement about Jews keep all that in mind.

There is no doubt Israel is a highly nationalistic country. It has immense pride in its land. Israelis are anything but fascists and in Israel they will always be supreme. The Bible makes pretty clear what god thinks about the hebrews.

That is utter nonsense.

 

[hmt5000]

Azov says 10-20% are neo nazis. They fight along side Jews. Whats your point.

Azov is a Neo Nazi party. They have their own regiment. Not sure how only 10% of the members of a nazi party are actual nazi's. You sell it though.

 

[hmt5000]

When somebody attacks your family you don't start discussing everything that is wrong with your family that was attacked. Same for your country. Our troops are forward across Europe now to contain Putin, I believe it is wrong to provide aid and comfort to Putin by peddling in Russian propaganda about Ukraine.

There was a time when men understood such things but unfortunately now a man must wade through considerable slime... the path of the righteous man is beset on all sides, if you will.

Ukrainians are brave fighters to be admired. The 100G Joe is bringing in are welcome in my neighborhood any time.

Zelensky has banned politcal rivals and any decent in the media. He is arresting political rivals that descent. Im not sure Zelensky is the freedom loving benevolent leader that many of you are wanting to make him out to be. I just don't want to risk US soldiers lives to keep Hillary, Biden and Soros money grabs going.... But Im old fashion like that.

 

[hmt5000]

W/o providing a source, it's made up BS.

Like cnn saying they aren't is a source. LOL.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Azov is a Neo Nazi party. They have their own regiment. Not sure how only 10% of the members of a nazi party are actual nazi's. You sell it though.

Azov is a militia/regiment, not a political party. It did support the founding of the National Party if i remember the name correctly. According to Azov leaders they do have beo-nazis, 10-20%, in the regiment. It also has Jews and nationalistic Ukrainians. Azov is most certainly far right. I'm not convinced that they are "white supremacists", as a group, since they have Jews in the regiment. This isn't hard to research.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Zelensky has banned politcal rivals and any decent in the media. He is arresting political rivals that descent. Im not sure Zelensky is the freedom loving benevolent leader that many of you are wanting to make him out to be. I just don't want to risk US soldiers lives to keep Hillary, Biden and Soros money grabs going.... But Im old fashion like that.

He has not banned political rivals. I've already explained this to you once.

 

[hmt5000]

He has not banned political rivals. I've already explained this to you once.

NO. You just said it. You get your news for from cnn. I don't think you know more about whats going on than I do.... Because he has banned lots of stuff and people. He works for a corrupt oligarch that was the main suspect in $1.3 billion in US aid money going missing.... But you don't care. $1.3 billion to you is not a #. CNN said it wasn't.

 

[jameslee32]

😲

 

[warrior-cat]

Just saw a snippet of Joe Biden saying that America is about to have more problems with food shortages and it is going to get worse because of this war. How many of you are prepared to starve our own people because of this?

 

[Wildcats1st]

That is utter nonsense.

Hater

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

NO. You just said it. You get your news for from cnn. I don't think you know more about whats going on than I do.... Because he has banned lots of stuff and people. He works for a corrupt oligarch that was the main suspect in $1.3 billion in US aid money going missing.... But you don't care. $1.3 billion to you is not a #. CNN said it wasn't.

Are you an idiot or something? An 8 year old can research what i told you and verify it. If you think I'm liberal you're laughably stupid. He used to work for that oligarch, he doesn't now. Where in the **** to you get this idiocy you spew?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Hater

Congrats. Thats one of your better rebuttals.

 

[Wildcats1st]

Congrats. Thats one of your better rebuttals.

Dude you have no idea what’s happening. Your takes come straight off the mainstream news site. You’re a tool of propaganda. And yes the USA pushes propaganda and no it’s not truth. It’s like any other country pushing their worldview. You gotta learn how to deciminate truth and reality

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Dude you have no idea what’s happening. Your takes come straight off the mainstream news site. You’re a tool of propaganda. And yes the USA pushes propaganda and no it’s not truth. It’s like any other country pushing their worldview. You gotta learn how to deciminate truth and reality

Thats funny since I dont follow any of them. Once again, you haven't refuted what I said. You're deluded. Here is one source which refutes what you claimed entirely. https://lawoffice.org.il/en/missionary-activity-in-israel/

 

[Wildcats1st]

Thats funny since I dont follow any of them. Once again, you haven't refuted what I said. You're deluded. Here is one source which refutes what you claimed entirely. https://lawoffice.org.il/en/missionary-activity-in-israel/

What’s to refute? You said it’s nonsense and specified nothing. Sorry buddy the crusades are over and Israel isn’t a holistic nation of total religious freedom. Even Jews put one another in buckets according to how judge one’s Jewishness.

 

[hmt5000]

Are you an idiot or something? An 8 year old can research what i told you and verify it. If you think I'm liberal you're laughably stupid. He used to work for that oligarch, he doesn't now. Where in the **** to you get this idiocy you spew?

I don't think your liberal I just think you get all your info from the MSM. They tell you something and just gobble it up. Zelensky isn't a good guy. He is acting a lot like PUtin. But Putin is bad... Is Putin bad because of how he acts or because he's Russian?

Used to work for him.... So how does he have a $10 million home in Switzerland and a $35 million home in Fl?