Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

[Baron Mowbray]

Biden said what he said to up the pressure on Putin. I can only conclude our intelligence folks are communicating there is a high possibility Putin will be taken out at the first opportunity.

Think about Russia's situation. The easiest solution by far to all their problems is to get rid of Putin and blame it all on him. That's the fastest way out of the Ukraine debacle where even if they get their wish and get part of Eastern Ukraine that's just going to be a drain on them sending home Russian body bags for as long as they are there. It is the fastest way to get out of the sanctions. It is the fastest way to rehabilitate Russia.

All the motivations for Russian interests are solidly on the side of getting rid of Putin and that's why we took the risk of saying what Joe said. We want Putin gone. Ukraine wants Putin gone. The world wants Putin gone. Putin being gone is by far the best option for the Russians themselves. So here we are.

 

[MoneyMuntz]

If Biden understood he was being countermanded, he'd fire every last person that contradicts him. That he doesn't tells anyone & everyone that he's not in charge of anything.

His statement about Putin should no longer be in power is ambiguous and doesn’t necessarily mean he means regime change. It’s pretty obvious he’s making a call to the Russian people to stand up to his authoritarian regime.

 

[vhcat70]

I have gripes with Biden but he has handled this situation very well. His statements and actions have been direct and with purpose. I also think seeing how weak Russia is first hand has emboldened US/NATO to be a little more provocative with their statements.

He has not. If he had, U would have had many more weapons before R ever invaded. But no, we had to give Putin a chance to back down. LMAO. No MIGs. No long-range air defense systems. Not all R banks out of Swift. Oil & gas still being bought by West.

 

[Baron Mowbray]

I have gripes with Biden but he has handled this situation very well. His statements and actions have been direct and with purpose. I also think seeing how weak Russia is first hand has emboldened US/NATO to be a little more provocative with their statements.

Agree. I have been harping on Joe as having been too weak and I likened it to when I was very unhappy with GHWB allowing Saddam to remain in power after the first Gulf War, but history proved conclusively that GHWB was correct in assessing removing Saddam would destabilize the region and increase Iranian influence just as history (hopefully more quickly) will prove Joe right in steering us through some very murky water here where an overreaction could have been catastrophic.

 

[vhcat70]

Biden said what he said to up the pressure on Putin. I can only conclude our intelligence folks are communicating there is a high possibility Putin will be taken out at the first opportunity.

Think about Russia's situation. The easiest solution by far to all their problems is to get rid of Putin and blame it all on him. That's the fastest way out of the Ukraine debacle where even if they get their wish and get part of Eastern Ukraine that's just going to be a drain on them sending home Russian body bags for as long as they are there. It is the fastest way to get out of the sanctions. It is the fastest way to rehabilitate Russia.

All the motivations for Russian interests are solidly on the side of getting rid of Putin and that's why we took the risk of saying what Joe said. We want Putin gone. Ukraine wants Putin gone. The world wants Putin gone. Putin being gone is by far the best option for the Russians themselves. So here we are.

There's no guarantee that his replacement won't be more hardline. In fact, may need to be to show he's in charge. That said, he needs to go.

 

[Dubya C Dubya]

His statement about Putin should no longer be in power is ambiguous and doesn’t necessarily mean he means regime change. It’s pretty obvious he’s making a call to the Russian people to stand up to his authoritarian regime.

Oh, so Putin needs to settle down and interpret it how others want to interpret it? wtf? Looks to me like he did what he always does: got in front of a crowd, got cocky and went off script. He shows his cards like a drunk.

 

[vhcat70]

His statement about Putin should no longer be in power is ambiguous and doesn’t necessarily mean he means regime change. It’s pretty obvious he’s making a call to the Russian people to stand up to his authoritarian regime.

Just how do Russians stand up to Putin w/o regime change? Your idea is pollyannish in the best interpretation, ridiculous otherwise.

 

[Baron Mowbray]

There's no guarantee that his replacement won't be more hardline. In fact, may need to be to show he's in charge. That said, he needs to go.

That is one assessment and certainly one possibility, but Russia has been defanged before the world. Nobody will fear their conventional power and NATO power is rapidly growing in Europe for the foreseeable future so I believe you'll see more of a Chinese approach coming out of Moscow next, or at least that's the one that makes the most sense. Focus on economics and taking advantage of Russia's vast natural resources and more of a soft power stance rather than the schoolyard bully routine as that image has crumbled in Ukraine.

I almost flushed with embarrassment over how stupid it was for Russia to shoot missiles at Lviv today. Nobody is buying Russia's bluster anymore. Threats from this bully are ringing more hollow by the day. Putin, very soon, will be dead.

 

[MoneyMuntz]

Oh, so Putin needs to settle down and interpret it how others want to interpret it? wtf? Looks to me like he did what he always does: got in front of a crowd, got cocky and went off script. He shows his cards like a drunk.

You’re talking about Trump, right? Hilarious that you’re describing Biden that way.

 

[Baron Mowbray]

You’re talking about Trump, right? Hilarious that you’re describing Biden that way.

That is exactly what I thought when I read that as well.

 

[MoneyMuntz]

Just how do Russians stand up to Putin w/o regime change. Your idea is pollyannish in the best interpretation, ridiculous otherwise.

Regime change used in the context of how the right wants to interpret his language is a directed action from the US/NATO. A organic upheaval of a dictatorial regime by the country’s own people is what would be the best for everyone and keeps our hands clean.

 

[Canned Heat]

 

[vhcat70]

That is one assessment and certainly one possibility, but Russia has been defanged before the world.

The next guy could feel compelled to use nukes.

 

[Dubya C Dubya]

You’re talking about Trump, right? Hilarious that you’re describing Biden that way.

Cornpop says hi.

 

[HDAWG123455]

Probably shouldn't have said that considering Putin's biggest nightmare is being gaddafi'd but it's not like Putin doesn't know what's going on behind our scenes. I'm sure he already knows if we're actively seeking a regime change vs just saying shit to fire up a crowd. All of this war shit will eventually be over in May i'd assume but I doubt Russia and the U.S. will ever be diplomatically friendly with one another for a very long time.

 

[Dubya C Dubya]

That is exactly what I thought when I read that as well.

Gee, what a surprise.

 

[Baron Mowbray]

Gee, what a surprise. How many Biden blow up dolls do you sleep with? Who were you before you got banned for the umpteenth time and signed back up again less than a week ago?

Not interested in talking smack with you, Dubya. I actually like a lot of your takes in here in the war thread. The politics is something we'll just agree to disagree on.

 

[Bill Cosby]

There’s just no way Biden said that without first getting concurrence from staff. Maybe it was intentionally left off the prepared remarks but that seems like a very improbable gaffe on such a large scale.

lol he’s like 80 and suffering severe dementia. Have you ever listened to him talk?

 

[Warrior Poet31]

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[AustinTXCat]

Here's a PBS correspondent with her takes on latest Great Gaffesby misspeak.

 

[Wildcats1st]

Biden said what he said to up the pressure on Putin. I can only conclude our intelligence folks are communicating there is a high possibility Putin will be taken out at the first opportunity.

Think about Russia's situation. The easiest solution by far to all their problems is to get rid of Putin and blame it all on him. That's the fastest way out of the Ukraine debacle where even if they get their wish and get part of Eastern Ukraine that's just going to be a drain on them sending home Russian body bags for as long as they are there. It is the fastest way to get out of the sanctions. It is the fastest way to rehabilitate Russia.

All the motivations for Russian interests are solidly on the side of getting rid of Putin and that's why we took the risk of saying what Joe said. We want Putin gone. Ukraine wants Putin gone. The world wants Putin gone. Putin being gone is by far the best option for the Russians themselves. So here we are.

You have no clue dude. Biden is speaking for the western world and he’s backing a nuclear armed dictator into a corner. What biden is doing is bringing Russians together. Whether it’s “war criminal” or “regime change” it’s counter productive. Also the line in Russia is that the west is a threat to their way of life. Now don’t you think biden just verified that for the Russian people?

Russians hell the entire world has watched this regime change shit show time and time again. It’s made the US to be a joke to 2/3 of the world. You don’t like a leader then you force him out BUT the one who follows is always worse and in Russia case if Putin were knocked off or disappeared the next guy isn’t going to bend over for the west and I promise you will be a bigger problem than Putin. The FSB isn’t upset with what Putin has done. Hell they scripted all of this. Putin’s going now where. He’s not purging the government the FSB is doing it. They run Russia

 

[Dubya C Dubya]

LOL! Wha a SH*T show of an "administration".

 

[Baron Mowbray]

You have no clue dude. Biden is speaking for the western world and he’s backing a nuclear armed dictator into a corner. What biden is doing is bringing Russians together. Whether it’s “war criminal” or “regime change” it’s counter productive. Also the line in Russia is that the west is a threat to their way of life. Now don’t you think biden just verified that for the Russian people?

Russians hell the entire world has watched this regime change shit show time and time again. It’s made the US to be a joke to 2/3 of the world. You don’t like a leader then you force him out BUT the one who follows is always worse and in Russia case if Putin were knocked off or disappeared the next guy isn’t going to bend over for the west and I promise you will be a bigger problem than Putin. The FSB isn’t upset with what Putin has done. Hell they scripted all of this. Putin’s going now where. He’s not purging the government the FSB is doing it. They run Russia

I love the breathlessness with which you post. Giddy with what you perceive as Russia gaining an opening thereby uniting the Republican Russians. Good on ya, little fella. Glad you have such confidence in Vladimir Putin and may the vodka forever warm your porridge if you know what I mean.

 

[Dubya C Dubya]

Like I said, he went off script. Shame on those apologizing for this idiot or trying to spin what he meant.

 

[Wildcats1st]

I love the breathlessness with which you post. Giddy with what you perceive as Russia gaining an opening thereby uniting the Republican Russians. Good on ya, little fella. Glad you have such confidence in Vladimir Putin and may the vodka forever warm your porridge if you know what I mean.

Like I said you have no clue. This isn’t a democrat or Republican issue. The only thing that is political about it is whether Biden’s policies are wise or not. I mean the friggin administration walked back the regime change comment. This isn’t diplomacy it’s taking us down a path with direct war with Russia. Everyday biden says something stupid that emboldens putin and Russian. Now you tell me who is doing the damage? People like me warning of making stupid statements or people like you defending stupidity to hell and back?

 

[vhcat70]

Like I said, he went off script. Shame on those apologizing for this idiot or trying to spin what he meant.

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IOW, he's under control to only say what Susan Rice prepared for him. 🤣

 

[gollumcat]

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Even Barry knew it. Don’t he say “never underestimate the ability of Joe to F things up”?

 

[warrior-cat]

I have gripes with Biden but he has handled this situation very well. His statements and actions have been direct and with purpose. I also think seeing how weak Russia is first hand has emboldened US/NATO to be a little more provocative with their statements.

Yet you expect people to take your post seriously.

 

[warrior-cat]

Agree. I have been harping on Joe as having been too weak and I likened it to when I was very unhappy with GHWB allowing Saddam to remain in power after the first Gulf War, but history proved conclusively that GHWB was correct in assessing removing Saddam would destabilize the region and increase Iranian influence just as history (hopefully more quickly) will prove Joe right in steering us through some very murky water here where an overreaction could have been catastrophic.

False.

 

[warrior-cat]

Biden said what he said to up the pressure on Putin

LOL False. Biden has no clue of what he is doing. He has no clue where he is most of the time.

 

[Canned Heat]

 

[Canned Heat]

 

[Mash 2.4]

Biden is a threat to national security. From his obvious compromised position with god knows who due to Hunter, to his fake macho man act in front of cameras. Stick his ass back in the basement for Pete’s sake before he gets us in a nuclear war.

 

[Bill Derington]

British foreign service stated tonight that tough sanctions on Russia could be removed if Russia leaves Ukraine. That’s a helluva lot different than what Biden said.

 

[warrior-cat]

Biden is a threat to national security. From his obvious compromised position with god knows who due to Hunter, to his fake macho man act in front of cameras. Stick his ass back in the basement for Pete’s sake before he gets us in a nuclear war.

Biden is just too old and has lost his mind. Biden should have never been placed in the White House period. No way he got 81 million votes. Biden has made so many gaffs and mistakes and will get us in trouble. No country in Nato trust him to be able to do the job.

 

[maneal4]

There can be two truths, the election wasn't stolen but Biden is clearly not playing with a full deck. Enough people were tired of Trump's mouth that even lifelong conservatives like my mother voted for anyone other than him to get someone new in there.

The sitting American president clumsily calls for regime change in Russia right now, and then his anonymous backroom staff immediately tries to backtrack his words, irresponsible and disturbing. A good portion of the world has been alienated by this country's desire for regime change in the middle east, now we call for it in the other largest nuclear power on the planet? That is the opposite of stabilizing this situation.

 

[Bill Derington]

There can be two truths, the election wasn't stolen but Biden is clearly not playing with a full deck. Enough people were tired of Trump's mouth that even lifelong conservatives like my mother voted for anyone other than him to get someone new in there.

The sitting American president clumsily calls for regime change in Russia right now, and then his anonymous backroom staff immediately tries to backtrack his words, irresponsible and disturbing. A good portion of the world has been alienated by this country's desire for regime change in the middle east, now we call for it in the other largest nuclear power on the planet? That is the opposite of stabilizing this situation.

But it was stolen, and the puppet inserted keeps stepping on his dick with serious implications. He was trying to act tough, and royally effed up.

 

[Canned Heat]

 

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[jameslee32]

Regime change used in the context of how the right wants to interpret his language is a directed action from the US/NATO. A organic upheaval of a dictatorial regime by the country’s own people is what would be the best for everyone and keeps our hands clean.

Sure, as The Paddock quickly comes to Putin's defense.