Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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First, RUS troops park vehicles near residences so they may avoid targeting from above. 7 abandoned vehicles counted in this short video. Such actions can't help readiness numbers.
If one thinks logically about the chain of events, looking at the past leading up to February and then forward to now, they should understand the following reasoning-
It's not-
We should go to war because of what Russia is doing to Ukraine!
It is-
All of this has been done IN and TO Ukraine because they want US to go to war!
Why did they remove all of Ukraine's weapons starting in 2005 only to demand we arm them in 2022?
Why did they try and bring them into NATO, if they knew they had agreed not to expand NATO eastward to threaten Russia?
Why have they done nothing to stop Ukraine from abusing the eastern provinces for at least 8 years?
Why did they not (and do they still not) demand the removal of the nazi brigades in the Ukrainian army?
Why are they talking about sending planes to Ukraine NOW rather than when the Russian army was moving troops to the border?
Why are people now warning about a biological plague coming out of this conflict right now?
(Really? Doesn't anyone find it strange that we 1. denied the existence of biolabs that we are on record as establishing and supporting financially, 2. spoke publicly about our concerns over the "data" from these non-existent labs getting into the wrong hands, 3. Russia releases information stating that these labs were going to release pathogens as a weapon, 4. now the WHO is saying that a small conflict like this with less refugees than flooded into Europe and elsewhere for over 4 years could be the breeding ground for a new plague of some type, and 5. whistleblowers have been reporting for over a month that they are planning another set of lockdowns and restrictions for sometime this year? After 2 yrs of BS, lockdowns, and lies only to find out this pandemic was less deadly than the flu outbreak during the Obama administration (and exactly what the early data from China in February 2020 said it was or weaker), and less deadly than it's official "treatment" and protocols, how could people think this isn't being planned?
They are desperate for a bloodbath and a plague at this point. Both mean big bucks for the rich, the elimination of the middle class, and increasing hunger and poverty worldwide when this country finally grew enough food to be able to feed the world, was energy independent, and emerging countries were starting to be able to stand on their own.
How can people look at the big picture and see where and how this fits into the pattern of govs and the rich over thousands of years? They don't want prosperity for all. They just know YOU AND I DO, so they're telling you what you want to hear while they put a knife to the back of your children. That's the bottom line.
It's not-
We should go to war because of what Russia is doing to Ukraine!
It is-
All of this has been done IN and TO Ukraine because they want US to go to war!
Why did they remove all of Ukraine's weapons starting in 2005 only to demand we arm them in 2022?
Why did they try and bring them into NATO, if they knew they had agreed not to expand NATO eastward to threaten Russia?
Why have they done nothing to stop Ukraine from abusing the eastern provinces for at least 8 years?
Why did they not (and do they still not) demand the removal of the nazi brigades in the Ukrainian army?
Why are they talking about sending planes to Ukraine NOW rather than when the Russian army was moving troops to the border?
Why are people now warning about a biological plague coming out of this conflict right now?
(Really? Doesn't anyone find it strange that we 1. denied the existence of biolabs that we are on record as establishing and supporting financially, 2. spoke publicly about our concerns over the "data" from these non-existent labs getting into the wrong hands, 3. Russia releases information stating that these labs were going to release pathogens as a weapon, 4. now the WHO is saying that a small conflict like this with less refugees than flooded into Europe and elsewhere for over 4 years could be the breeding ground for a new plague of some type, and 5. whistleblowers have been reporting for over a month that they are planning another set of lockdowns and restrictions for sometime this year? After 2 yrs of BS, lockdowns, and lies only to find out this pandemic was less deadly than the flu outbreak during the Obama administration (and exactly what the early data from China in February 2020 said it was or weaker), and less deadly than it's official "treatment" and protocols, how could people think this isn't being planned?
They are desperate for a bloodbath and a plague at this point. Both mean big bucks for the rich, the elimination of the middle class, and increasing hunger and poverty worldwide when this country finally grew enough food to be able to feed the world, was energy independent, and emerging countries were starting to be able to stand on their own.
How can people look at the big picture and see where and how this fits into the pattern of govs and the rich over thousands of years? They don't want prosperity for all. They just know YOU AND I DO, so they're telling you what you want to hear while they put a knife to the back of your children. That's the bottom line.
Sounds like desperation to me since I hear no reports of ground gains - at least around Kyiv.
I used to think she'd be an improvement if we got rid of Joe & Commala, but this ends that thought. Now need to hold out till Trump is Speaker.
Russian soldiers' (Ukrainian sympathizers) covert re-supply chain.
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This lends more credence to the above imo.
"Ukraine said its military had launched a counteroffensive in its capital, Kyiv, and other key cities, as President Volodymyr Zelensky urged the U.S. Congress to provide more weapons and increase economic pressure on Russia.
The thump of distant shelling echoed through the center of Kyiv overnight, while Ukrainian forces appeared to counterattack in the outlying towns of Irpin, Bucha and Hostomel, which have been severely damaged in weeks of street fighting and artillery exchanges. The city and the surrounding region were under an all-day curfew Wednesday."
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"Ukrainian forces also said they pressed an offensive south and east of the southern port of Mykolayiv, moving in the direction of Kherson, the only Ukrainian regional capital occupied by Russia since the war began Feb. 24. Ukraine said it carried out an airstrike on the Kherson airport, which is now a Russian air base, and satellite imagery of the tarmac showed seven destroyed or damaged Russian helicopters, some of them engulfed in flames. Kyiv also said it shot down two Russian Su-30SM jets over the Black Sea off Odessa."
I'd thought R was doing better in the south of U, but they appear stalled there also by this.
Ukraine Mounts Counteroffensive to Drive Russians Back From Kyiv, Key Cities
Kyiv’s forces appeared to counterattack in the outlying towns of Irpin, Bucha and Hostomel, while Ukraine said it carried out an airstrike on the Kherson airport, which is now a Russian air base.
www.wsj.com
It's someone's job to paint the flag on these Russian vehicles. Tells you everything you need to know.
That's it, I'm rooting for the Russians now. My guess is they wanted the food for themselves.
This is what I was expecting based on the way the invasion took place. I hope they get it worked out and signed before NATO orchestrates something to kill the talks.
Perhaps, it's also accurate. They like to sabre rattle too but no us, no Chinese economy. Simple as that.
Interesting but I see a real problem with other countries especially the US granting security to Ukraine, that's the big hanging point right now and probably why Ukraine has not been admitted to NATO, nobody wants to pit the NATO/US v Russia in a hot war.
Our media machine has been calling for us to get directly involved. This is exactly what they want. Whether they comprehend the future ramifications of “doing something for Ukraine” is unknown.
There is definitely something wrong with you. Why on earth would NATO "orchestrate something to kill the talks"?
Mariupol is going to loom large when the fighting stops. It will be ground zero for where the biggest atrocities occurred.
I have no faith in Russian talks to end the war. They're in a spot, then need a pause and they'll use peace talks to figure out their logistics and get themselves resupplied then they'll torpedo the talks and continue on as if they never happened.
That's one possible scenario, OTOH they may have reached the point that they realize this is going to require a permanent occupation and an enormous amount of resources which they are quickly running out of, and just want get what they can and call it a day. They're begging Syria for troops, and China for food - that's about as bad a look as you can get.
Not sure how US & UK security guarantees are much/any different than NATO membership. Oh yea, the vaunted German & French military are nowhere involved. What BS.
-I was in tune with line of thinking 10 years ago...the problem with that is commies don't think like normal/good people. Americans tend to ascribe our values to other cultures. Bites us in the ass in the middle east *every* time, biting us in the ass now w/ Russia.
-china is spending trillions "investing in" markets, mining and infrastructure in se asia, africa...and most alarmingly the Caribbean and central/South America.
-their end goal is world dominion...the current version of their economy is simply a means to an end.
^they will try to wreck us in a hot second when they can. The only variable is time.
-China is the threat...Russia is the irritating sideshow.
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