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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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Whew. Glad those Nazis are the good guys now.


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But some people on here think we have just as many. We do have an all Nazi brigade in our military after all and we do have 3 openly nazi parties in our government. It's not that big of a deal.
 
So how can Putin be removed from office? It seems as if everyone near him knows they are all war criminals, so how in the world is he going to be removed? Who's going to do it??? It would have to be by force and that's not happening, is it? If so, how????

Or does he cut a deal that protects him and restores Russia to pre-Sanction status? But how can you let him cut a deal with what he's done???????
Bad thing is that Putin had his top 2 critics arrested shortly after the invasion. He already arrested a few others and a couple spent years in jail and are recently free. It would be hard to expect those people to be really outspoken. Its going to have to be grass roots. They need a large majority of citizens to show up in opposition so the police on the street are afraid to enforce the draconian laws.
 
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I’ve watched two different videos in the past week of Trump kissing Putin’s ass. How do you debunk a video?
Post the full video in context. The whole video. Not just a 15 second clip because I can show you a clip of Obama bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia because he's a secret muslim and I can show you a clip of Hillary being an evil bitch because she's actually an evil bitch.
 
Whatever reason? He was kissing Putin’s ass. He still is now. It’s not a secret.
Good lord…in your scenario giving Ukraine lethal weapons, trying to get NATO countries to bolster their defenses and quit relying on Russian energy, and sanctioning Nordstream 2 is kissing ass?

There’s thousands of people dead and more that will die because our current President didn’t have the balls to confront Putin for a year leading up to the invasion.
 
I’ve watched two different videos in the past week of Trump kissing Putin’s ass. How do you debunk a video?
Negotiating and having meetings with world leaders is not kissing ass. It's called diplomacy. You have to see actual examples where our president helped them while hurting us i.e. 2010 when Obama, Biden, and Hillary sold 20% of America's uranium to Russia and in 2014 they allowed Russia to annex Crimea. When Biden came into power he stopped the XL Pipeline but gave the go ahead for Russia to build theirs. Works and deeds have shown who has been kissing Russia's ass. Putin just stabbed his ass kissers in the back though.

He did not move while Trump was in office. If he had and nothing happened you would have a point. Like always, the left falls short but blame others for their failures. I suppose you believe Putin is the reason for our inflation and high gasoline prices too.
 
Post the full video in context. The whole video. Not just a 15 second clip because I can show you a clip of Obama bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia because he's a secret muslim and I can show you a clip of Hillary being an evil bitch because she's actually an evil bitch.
Why should I give a shit about Obama or Hillary?? LOL … let me guess. You’re assuming I’m a Democrat. Sorry, but I’ve been a Republican my entire adult life.
 
Negotiating and having meetings with world leaders is not kissing ass. It's called diplomacy. You have to see actual examples where our president helped them while hurting us i.e. 2010 when Obama, Biden, and Hillary sold 20% of America's uranium to Russia and in 2014 they allowed Russia to annex Crimea. When Biden came into power he stopped the XL Pipeline but gave the go ahead for Russia to build theirs. Works and deeds have shown who has been kissing Russia's ass. Putin just stabbed his ass kissers in the back though.

He did not move while Trump was in office. If he had and nothing happened you would have a point. Like always, the left falls short but blame others for their failures. I suppose you believe Putin is the reason for our inflation and high gasoline prices too.
All I know is, I was paying $2.89 for gas a month ago. About the same as I was paying before Covid hit. Since the invasion gas prices have gone insane. I didn’t blame Trump when gas prices soared his first two years and I don’t blame Biden now. I will never believe a president controls gas prices.
 
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All I know is, I was paying $2.89 for gas a month ago. About the same as I was paying before Covid hit. Since the invasion gas prices have gone insane. I didn’t blame Trump when gas prices soared his first two years and I don’t blame Biden now. I will never believe a president controls gas prices.
Policies (EO's) can as well as "assumed" policies (Green New Deal) affect prices. Markets and some prices (yes gouging too) are affected by political posturing and possible outcomes.


Edited: I was paying $1.79 for gas until after Biden took office and signed his EO's and started pushing his agenda. within the year it went up to $2.89 as well. Presidents with their party in charge have a big impact on the economy and prices/inflation.
 
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Good lord…in your scenario giving Ukraine lethal weapons, trying to get NATO countries to bolster their defenses and quit relying on Russian energy, and sanctioning Nordstream 2 is kissing ass?

There’s thousands of people dead and more that will die because our current President didn’t have the balls to confront Putin for a year leading up to the invasion.

But Democrat Ro Khanna in 2018 said that giving Ukraine more weapons was bad.

such effing hypocrites
 
Why should I give a shit about Obama or Hillary?? LOL … let me guess. You’re assuming I’m a Democrat. Sorry, but I’ve been a Republican my entire adult life.
Just post the full video in context then. Just say.... 3 minutes. Let us see context. Should be easy slick.
 
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Two RUS tanks KIA in this video shot in Mariupol. Graphic details visible if your monitor is large enough. First hit at :10 seconds in. Second hit at :15, throwing left track. Vehicle reverses trying to get out. Note broken track on ground as tank backs up. He's immobilized. Third hit comes at :33. Tank commander (TC) and driver begin bailing out. Camera angle reverses 180° at :41. At :43, tank hit fourth time, blowing TC from back of tank to top of screen.

Driver successfully bails out of hatch beginning :52. He runs across street at bottom of screen and dives over guard rail just as another AT round goes off for 5th hit. Driver low-crawls in gravel on roadside. At 1:20, another nearby tank hit off-screen, apparently in same ambush. Another body flies in and lands near driver of first tank, who is still low-crawling on the ground. Flying body was likely TC of second tank as he tried bailing out. Around 1:28, second tank driver visible bailing out of second tank.

Video represents prime example of just how defenseless armor can be in urban terrain without support. I'd speculate defenders employed RPG-7s, Panzerfaust-3 and maybe AT4s or M72 LAWs. Doubtful Javelins or NLAWs used.

So that's the Nazis doing that, right?
 
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All I know is, I was paying $2.89 for gas a month ago. About the same as I was paying before Covid hit. Since the invasion gas prices have gone insane. I didn’t blame Trump when gas prices soared his first two years and I don’t blame Biden now. I will never believe a president controls gas prices.
You don't think gas has increased in price since Biden took office?


Jesus christ this is a cult. Prices stayed low in under obama because of fracing tech coming online. Biden is making sure that fracin doesn't save domestic oil producers. WOW.
 
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Just post the full video in context then. Just say.... 3 minutes. Let us see context. Should be easy slick.
LOL … this is why I rarely post on anything political. Y’all are probably good dudes in real life, but you come across as nutcases on social media. You want what’s best for one side. I want what’s best for all Americans. My wish is for the next US President to be no older than 45, to be Republican, and lean more towards the middle.
 
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LOL … this is why I rarely post on anything political. Y’all are probably good dudes in real life, but you come across as nutcases on social media. You want what’s best for one side. I want what’s best for all Americans. My wish is for the next US President to be no older than 45, to be Republican, and lean more towards the middle.
Just post the video then. I watched the whole thing and didn't see him sucking up. Im trying to figure out what you saw. I've seen 15 second clips that look weird but if you watch the whole thing in context, you see it different. For instance... did you see Don do the power hand shake on Putin? He grabbed his hand to do a handshake then ripped his arm toward his belly and smirked.

 
All I know is, I was paying $2.89 for gas a month ago. About the same as I was paying before Covid hit. Since the invasion gas prices have gone insane. I didn’t blame Trump when gas prices soared his first two years and I don’t blame Biden now. I will never believe a president controls gas prices.
He ended US energy independence

Do you deny that? You think it’s had no effect on gas prices? Tell us oh wise one.
 
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Can you not read?
I actually can and do read. YOu can read but apparently don't. You posted 2 points of info to act like nothing is wrong. We actually have 50 things that have happened to affect gas prices and if you just ignore the 47 that Biden did then we can't have an intelligent conversation. He didn't just shut down 2 future pipelines. He shut down 2 current pipelines and let the enviros get back in control of the enforcement part of oil production.


The reason cost are up is because producers immediately had extra cost on every well. Then they had to worry that any new well would be shut down before it came on line. So when Psaki said they could produce more if they wanted to... yea.... but you could screw the hell out of them to and they aren't investing MILLLIONS under those conditions.

You also know that the Prince of Saudi Arabia refused a call from Biden right?

And you also know that Venezuela told Biden to tamp salt right?

So explain the economics of the increase as just putins fault....
 
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Congrats For us. This drunken hag is trying to explain the conflict. Hahahaha

I don’t even know what to say to that. These are our top 3 defenders of American diplomacy and America in general? We see screwed. So screwed. Is this real life? Our top 3 can’t even speak, SPEAK, I’m sure Putin and the rest are shaking in their boots. Time to get these fools out of office, yesterday. And they wanted to impeach trump? Lol. I would be a better foreign policy diplomat and I went to D.C. once with my parents forever ago.
 
What, Trump threatening to pull out of NATO not good enough for you? Could it have been us allowing Assad to remain in power in Syria, as requested by Russia? Maybe, just maybe, it was his wishes to ACTUALLY pull out of NATO if he was re-elected, per John Bolton. Just cause he fired him doesn’t mean he made that up. Some of the things people say Trump did he actually did.
Like when he stared at the solar eclipse without glasses. Like when he said Finland was part of Russia (lol).
Biden isn’t Reagan or JFK, but he’ll do. If you guys want Trump back so bad, let’s see if you still want him back in two years.
 
Russia bombs a Theatre (for the UK Brits) that was sheltering Ukrainians. Nice job Putin. I hear those Theaters (Us Americans) can be real threats...

Was Putin worried the Ukrainians were going to put on a play that's not favorable to the Russians?
Putin gassed a theater to kill 50 Chechen rebels at the expense of 200 civilian hostages. This was back in 2002 or so
 
LOL … this is why I rarely post on anything political. Y’all are probably good dudes in real life, but you come across as nutcases on social media. You want what’s best for one side. I want what’s best for all Americans. My wish is for the next US President to be no older than 45, to be Republican, and lean more towards the middle.
Although you and I differ politically, I wish you would post more in politics because we need some people here we can have a somewhat normal political discussion with. The same 4-5 guys posting "dems are pedos" and "Trump was robbed" 200 times a day gets old fast. I wonder what level of IQ you have to hover around to enjoy that same drivel day after day after day with the same 5 guys liking each others posts then hoo hawing about how hilarious the same exact Michelle Obama is a man jokes are. Sad bunch. Not sure why they are afforded a platform here for their hate speech and Russian propaganda but they are guarded jealously for some reason.
 
That's one possible scenario, OTOH they may have reached the point that they realize this is going to require a permanent occupation and an enormous amount of resources which they are quickly running out of, and just want get what they can and call it a day. They're begging Syria for troops, and China for food - that's about as bad a look as you can get.
Russia may want out and have something they can tout as a win but it doesn’t seem like Ukrainian leaders will give it to them. I almost think actually I do think zelensky thinks he can win the war unless Russia nukes them.

I have a feeling that if zelensky can turn it he will go for Crimea. NATO needs to be careful about putting too much into their hands you never know zelensky that guy with a powerful military non nato entity give them only Russian made.

I don’t want that guy with an axe to grind because he didn’t get full support bullying europe. Ukraine may come out if this with one of the strongest militaries at least battle tested in Europe.
 

“The United States is baiting China and Russia, and the final nail in the coffin will be Iran, which is, of course, the main target of Israel. We have allowed China to increase their military strength and Russia to recover from Sovietization, to give them a false sense of bravado, this will create an all together faster demise for them. We’re like the sharp shooter daring the noob to pick up the gun, and when they try, it’s bang bang. The coming war will be so severe that only one superpower can win, and that’s us folks. This is why the EU is in such a hurry to form a complete superstate because they know what is coming, and to survive, Europe will have to be one whole cohesive state. Their urgency tells me that they know full well that the big showdown is upon us. O how I have dreamed of this delightful moment.”


― Henry Kissinger
When did Kissinger say this? The US may be the only remaining superpower but in a war scenario it probably doesn’t emerge as democratic or a republic. Probably more like a tribal society
 
That's one possible scenario, OTOH they may have reached the point that they realize this is going to require a permanent occupation and an enormous amount of resources which they are quickly running out of, and just want get what they can and call it a day. They're begging Syria for troops, and China for food - that's about as bad a look as you can get.
I see two very big problems with that. Putin cannot afford to walk away with just a sliver of Ukraine in exchange for what they have already lost. If he does, then only a matter of time before he is overthrown. If he doesn't, I see no way out of this for Russia except to off Putin and claim it was all on him. That is the fastest and easiest way for them to recoup their loses, get out of sanctions for the most part, and start working on the corruption that obviously has gutted their military readiness. That is also how Russia has historically conducted business. Just like the mob. Once you make a mistake like this, expect the bullet behind the ear because they don't offer retirement plans. How long will it take the titanic financial losses to get somebody close enough to Putin or will they just finally be bold enough to walk right in and arrest him?

Second, Ukraine has already been burned badly by the Budapest Memorandum giving up their nukes in exchange for phony security agreements. I doubt they have the appetite for that again.
 
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