Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

[warrior-cat]

The brings up a good point without meaning to do so. China IS our enemy. So why does Joe, LeBron, MitchMc, the NBA, ETC get a pass on putting China's interests above our own here in the US. Why are US citizens censored for being critical of an enemy? Why is it ok for China to speak publicly in a demanding way that all of our citizens be disarmed, and our people, our leaders say nothing?

Why are we not imposing more restrictions on China for "helping" or "siding with" Russia?

If Joe is refusing to stop importing oil from Russia, he's giving aid and comfort to our enemy when attacking a sovereign nation. Where are the calls for arresting him? Why did we not do so when he removed sanctions against NORD2? Why didn't we take Clinton out of DC in handcuffs for selling uranium to Russia during her time as secretary of state? Why haven't we arrested Kerry for negotiating with and advising Iran when he held no official position to do so?

So many questions. No good answers. Maybe they don't work for us anymore.

Yet a few on here will profess to be patriots and call others traitors and in the next thread will deify Lebron and others for not rocking the boat with China. Some of us have been telling them for years that Russia and China were the enemies and they just called us paranoid and that the 80's wanted their policies back. Now when being proved we were right (again) a few have shifted gears and acted like that never happened and they are right on this one. Hypocrites.

 

[warrior-cat]

If a person were pro Putin/Russia/China how might you determine that? Maybe by their constant criticism of Ukrainians who are fighting and dying to defend their country from a Russian war crime committing invasion? Or would it be their constant praise of Putin? Or their assurances Putin has some master plan that he is yet to unveil like this line "now all of these supposed experts will be wrong about Putin's end game here"?

Maybe in a post from a couple of weeks ago that poster would be telling us how great the Russian solders were compared to our "snowflake" soldiers because they trained with "live fire" and were vastly superior? Remember that gem? Didn't age well, did it?

Doesn't matter if it is traitor by being duped or paid, if you are giving aid and comfort when our soldiers are in the field in Poland waiting to potentially enter the fight against

Proof of someone here giving aid and comfort to Russia please.

You (generalizing here) can dissect your foes moves and make a point on it that might sound (to some) as if you were complimenting them but still be against what they are doing. That is not traitorous that is being objective to the situation. Many of our generals in the past have given reviews on enemy tactics that complimented them on their skills but that did not mean they were pro enemy. That brings me to a point of a post many pages back that showed Trump saluting I believe a North Korean general during a meeting and a few here said that was traitorous. No, it is customary to show respect regardless of who it is during meetings whether they be government to government or on a battlefield truce meeting. It does not make one a traitor.

Also, are you advocating for American boots on the ground in the Ukraine? Is so, Why? To what end? How long ago did you serve? You made a reference to Russians training vs ours and it is true they train more life like and have for years because they don't care about their soldiers and have a higher training loss acceptable percentage than we do. Does that mean their training is better? Physically, yes but they do not train theirs at the level we do with more modern tactics and education but, our military is war weary and tired right now and I know morale is also way down. I believe we can aid Europe in preparation but they should lead in this situation right now because quite frankly, we have a very weak CIC and back up right now and they would leave our military hanging if it came to it (see Afghanistan and Benghazi)

 

[SDC888]

It's in the script.

You're making a mistake Jameslee, the "You siding with the enemy!" is a fundamental propaganda technique used as a diversion to sow discord and to hide the truth.

The people who are using this tragedy to further divide Americans, parlaying it into domestic politics like we are so want to do with everything in our degrading society and discourse, are people one would be wise to ignore. This has nothing to do with domestic politics other than both sides of that are culpable.

 

[Bessarabia]

Proof of someone here giving aid and comfort to Russia please.

You (generalizing here) can dissect your foes moves and make a point on it that might sound (to some) as if you were complimenting them but still be against what they are doing. That is not traitorous that is being objective to the situation. Many of our generals in the past have given reviews on enemy tactics that complimented them on their skills but that did not mean they were pro enemy. That brings me to a point of a post many pages back that showed Trump saluting I believe a North Korean general during a meeting and a few here said that was traitorous. No, it is customary to show respect regardless of who it is during meetings whether they be government to government or on a battlefield truce meeting. It does not make one a traitor.

Also, are you advocating for American boots on the ground in the Ukraine? Is so, Why? To what end? How long ago did you serve? You made a reference to Russians training vs ours and it is true they train more life like and have for years because they don't care about their soldiers and have a higher training loss acceptable percentage than we do. Does that mean their training is better? Physically, yes but they do not train theirs at the level we do with more modern tactics and education but, our military is war weary and tired right now and I know morale is also way down. I believe we can aid Europe in preparation but they should lead in this situation right now because quite frankly, we have a very weak CIC and back up right now and they would leave our military hanging if it came to it (see Afghanistan and Benghazi)

There's a 102 pages of it, pick one.

I've never heard a military leader refer to our soldiers as "snowflakes" when comparing them to Russian soldiers, especially while they are insinuating the Russians are better soldiers.

No, it is NOT appropriate for a US President to salute a military leader from an ADVERSARIAL nation and it is certainly not a custom or a courtesy. Retired Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton from VoteVets.org called Trump’s salute “wholly inappropriate." You do realize North Korea is still technically at war with South Korea, I take it?

Finally, no I am not calling for boots on the ground unless you count Poland. We need to get those MIGS into Ukraine yesterday, tell Putin that if he is foolish enough to engage NATO or the US he will be defeated decisively and he knows it, and let him know any attack on any NATO or US asset will be responded to immediately and in kind, so if he okays engaging the US or NATO he knows a response is guaranteed and all the nuclear threats in the world are not going to stop us from retaliating in proportion. Shoot at us and our rules of engagement are to shoot back, Mr. Putin. And both our pilots and your pilots know what the outcome of that will be.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Excellent 25-post thread by a retired Australian Major General who was educated at Johns Hopkins University and USMC Command and Staff. He argues RUS severely underestimated UA. "They clearly did not wargame".

Invasion has essentially resulted in a stalemate thus far. Ryan expects Chechen and Syrian fighters used as cannon fodder going forward. He also predicts a long war.

 

[vhcat70]

I never made that argument about Russia attacking Ukraine was provoked.

When your Capital is surrounded as well as many major metropolitans, you aren’t winning.

Did I day you did? Just said it as part of the overall war scenario. Capital not fully surrounded.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

So Vietnam had nukes? If you don't see the difference... Get glasses.

Wow, are you that blind? Ukraine doesn't have nukes, neither did Vietnam. Each was/is in a war with a nuclear power, each was/is supported by a nuclear power. You'd have to intentionally ignoring the similarities to not see them.

 

[Bill Derington]

Did I day you did? Just said it as part of the overall war scenario. Capital not fully surrounded.

The Capital is getting shelled, I hope Ukraine can win, but as of right now they aren't. Unless the West intervenes militarily the odds of Ukraine coming out intact is slim.

What is troubling, especially after just coming out of 20 years of war, is our media not just squaring up with the US people. A person can want that and not be a Russian apologist. We've had 30 years of politicians using war as a cover for their failings, they get rich from it, and the average joe pays in blood and money. We're tired of it.

The admin should've done everything possible to prevent this, they didn't, they telegraphed their moves beforehand, and they still are with China. It's ridiculous.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Definitely force conservation time for RUS.

 

[Bessarabia]

The Capital is getting shelled, I hope Ukraine can win, but as of right now they aren't. Unless the West intervenes militarily the odds of Ukraine coming out intact is slim.

What is troubling, especially after just coming out of 20 years of war, is our media not just squaring up with the US people. A person can want that and not be a Russian apologist. We've had 30 years of politicians using war as a cover for their failings, they get rich from it, and the average joe pays in blood and money. We're tired of it.

The admin should've done everything possible to prevent this, they didn't, they telegraphed their moves beforehand, and they still are with China. It's ridiculous.

Bill, what exactly do you think winning is? Russia can't enter Kyiv let alone take then hold it because they don't have the troop strength to do so in the field. You think Russia is hanging out on the periphery with the entire world laughing at their military ineptness because that's their plan? No, they simply don't have anywhere near the strength to take and hold it. So they sit there shelling like some medieval barbarian horde lobbing poop grenades.

You know what the US military doctrine is on urban combat? 10:1 ratio of troops to insurgents in urban combat or you're going to take unacceptable casualty numbers. And that's with vastly superior US trained and equipped US soldiers conducting house to house sweeps, not poorly trained and equipped highly unmotivated demoralized Russian troops.

Kyiv had nearly 3 million people in it. Even if a million or so left and of the remaining 2 million or so only 10% were willing to take a shot at a Russian, that's 200,000 people. Think Russia has a million troops to put in there? They barely have a tenth of that.

So you may want to revisit what you think "winning" means.

 

[Bill Derington]

Bill, what exactly do you think winning is? Russia can't enter Kyiv let alone take then hold it because they don't have the troop strength to do so in the field. You think Russia is hanging out on the periphery with the entire world laughing at their military ineptness because that's their plan? No, they simply don't have anywhere near the strength to take and hold it. So they sit there shelling like some medieval barbarian horde lobbing poop grenades.

You know what the US military doctrine is on urban combat? 10:1 ratio of troops to insurgents in urban combat or you're going to take unacceptable casualty numbers. And that's with vastly superior US trained and equipped US soldiers conducting house to house sweeps, not poorly trained and equipped highly unmotivated demoralized Russian troops.

Kyiv had nearly 3 million people in it. Even if a million or so left and of the remaining 2 million or so only 10% were willing to take a shot at a Russian, that's 200,000 people. Think Russia has a million troops to put in there? They barely have a tenth of that.

So you may want to revisit what you think "winning" means.

First of all, we don't know that they want to take and hold Kyiv, we assume thats the plan. Second, when the US entered Baghdad we didn't have a 10:1 ratio, and that took over 35 days against a lesser foe than Ukraine.

Are you suggesting the US and Russia fight wars the same way? This is exactly how Russia operates, they bombard cities, it may be barbaric but it's what they do, and Ukraine can't stop them currently. If you can't stop your enemy from doing what they've historically done, you are losing militarily.

Russia wants the Eastern portion of Ukraine, that doesn't include Kyiv. What they're doing now is trying to bring Kyiv to Russia's terms, will they be able to is the question.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

Definitely force conservation time for RUS.

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Good thing the Russians have body bags to spare and some. Putin will just keep getting young Russian men and women killed until they complete whatever sick objective this invasion endgame is.

 

[Girthang]

The Capital is getting shelled, I hope Ukraine can win, but as of right now they aren't. Unless the West intervenes militarily the odds of Ukraine coming out intact is slim.

What is troubling, especially after just coming out of 20 years of war, is our media not just squaring up with the US people. A person can want that and not be a Russian apologist. We've had 30 years of politicians using war as a cover for their failings, they get rich from it, and the average joe pays in blood and money. We're tired of it.

The admin should've done everything possible to prevent this, they didn't, they telegraphed their moves beforehand, and they still are with China. It's ridiculous.

Our media CAN'T square up. They became a propaganda arm when they were given carte blanche to lie to the people. They became a branch of government and we have no way to know which government entity is pulling their string on each story. Is it the USA, UN, or NATO through our commitments to those organizations? Is it the FDA, CDC, NIH, DOJ, FBI, CIA, or the military? We don't know WHICH, and each department may have different needs as to how and what information is disseminated.

That's why an independent media and the free voice of the people was essential to the construction of our country. That is lost now, as people are being completely destroyed for a dissenting opinion, a wait and see approach, or for presenting facts and testimony contrary to the narrative. That's one of THE biggest strikes against Trump for me, is that he didn't through any means available attempt to restore the ethics of the press and overturn the propaganda law that the previous admin and congress put in place.

 

[warrior-cat]

I've never heard a military leader refer to our soldiers as "snowflakes" when comparing them to Russian soldiers, especially while they are insinuating the Russians are better soldiers.

No, it is NOT appropriate for a US President to salute a military leader from an ADVERSARIAL nation and it is certainly not a custom or a courtesy. Retired Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton from VoteVets.org called Trump’s salute “wholly inappropriate." You do realize North Korea is still technically at war with South Korea, I take it?

Finally, no I am not calling for boots on the ground unless you count Poland. We need to get those MIGS into Ukraine yesterday, tell Putin that if he is foolish enough to engage NATO or the US he will be defeated decisively and he knows it, and let him know any attack on any NATO or US asset will be responded to immediately and in kind, so if he okays engaging the US or NATO he knows a response is guaranteed and all the nuclear threats in the world are not going to stop us from retaliating in proportion. Shoot at us and our rules of engagement are to shoot back, Mr. Putin. And both our pilots and your pilots know what the outcome of that will be.

False as usual. Respectful saluting was and is still done amongst enemies when in talks and does not make one a traitor. Your hate for Trump and others blinds you.

As far as my pilots? Who would they be?

102 pages has not shown any one here as traitorous or aiding Russia.

You still did not answer when you served or where.

Last but certainly not least, I would not feel comfortable with Biden or Kamala in command of anything because they have shown that they would leave the military hanging which is one of the reasons I say defer to Europe to handle it.

 

[warrior-cat]

Excellent 25-post thread by a retired Australian Major General who was educated at Johns Hopkins University and USMC Command and Staff. He argues RUS severely underestimated UA. "They clearly did not wargame".

Invasion has essentially resulted in a stalemate thus far. Ryan expects Chechen and Syrian fighters used as cannon fodder going forward. He also predicts a long war.

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Yes, I was thinking the same thing on the length. Russia is in it for the long haul.

 

[Girthang]

1. First of all, we don't know that they want to take and hold Kyiv...


2. This is exactly how Russia operates, they bombard cities, it may be barbaric but it's what they do, and Ukraine can't stop them currently. If you can't stop your enemy from doing what they've historically done, you are losing militarily.


3. Russia wants the Eastern portion of Ukraine, that doesn't include Kyiv. What they're doing now is trying to bring Kyiv to Russia's terms, will they be able to is the question.

1. Exactly. We aren't appraised of Ukrainian troop movements and the locations from which they attack. Kiev as an objective is not clear to anyone outside of Russia at this point.

2. We know this also because it's how UKRAINE operates relative to Donbas regions.

3. I don't know if Russia WANTS the Eastern regions so much as they may need to envelope them to keep them from being attacked by Ukraine. The shelling of that region by Ukraine and their neo-fascist/nazi command structure is either intended to kill ethnic/political dissidents or to provoke Russia into this conflict. Again, I don't know why we didn't condemn the attacks on the eastern territories at any time in the past 8 years.

 

[Girthang]

False as usual. Respectful saluting was and is still done amongst enemies when in talks and does not make one a traitor. Your hate for Trump and others blinds you.

As far my pilots? Who would they be?

102 pages has not shown any one here as traitorous or aiding Russia.

You still did not answer when you served or where.

Last but certainly not least, I would not feel comfortable with Biden or Kamala in command of anything because they have shown that they would leave the military hanging which is one of the reasons I say defer to Europe to handle it.

@warrior-cat
Do you think that it's inevitable that we get drawn into this? If it's left in European leaders' hands I think we do. If it's in Bidens hands, I think we do. Unless it ends soon or the objective is made clear with visual and digital/data evidence provided, and Russia withdraws (which as you say and I agree won't be soon), I don't *see how we wont.

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[warrior-cat]

@warrior-cat
Do you think that it's inevitable that we get drawn into this? If it's left in European leaders' hands I think we do. If it's in Bidens hands, I think we do. Unless it ends soon or the objective is made clear with visual and digital/data evidence provided, and Russia withdraws (which as you say and I agree won't be soon), I don't think it will.

Not sure, I worry about the reasons for us getting into it being monetary and political. I just don't trust our government enough. I still think Europe is in a better position to make the call because it will be fought on their lands and countries. I think they would be more apt to look for another alternative given the devastation suffered during the first and second World Wars.

 

[Fact_Checker]

Yet a few on here will profess to be patriots and call others traitors and in the next thread will deify Lebron and others for not rocking the boat with China. Some of us have been telling them for years that Russia and China were the enemies and they just called us paranoid and that the 80's wanted their policies back. Now when being proved we were right (again) a few have shifted gears and acted like that never happened and they are right on this one. Hypocrites.

Yeah you all were real concerned about Russian trolls all over your forums and social media sending you memes and nasty mean things to say about your fellow countrymen. I mean you elected a Manchurian candidate because of Russian trolls and the allowed him to almost destroy our democracy. You're some really patriots alright.

 

[Girthang]

Well apparently Ukrainian Nazis are no biggie. Lefties won’t punch a “Ukraine Nazi”. Just American Nazis. Lol

@Gassy_Knowls btw, I know exactly what you were talking about with Odessa. Makes me wonder if some of the people here and across the country that are most venomous/virulent about this are involved in or dependent on the shady sht.

 

[Bessarabia]

First of all, we don't know that they want to take and hold Kyiv, we assume thats the plan. Second, when the US entered Baghdad we didn't have a 10:1 ratio, and that took over 35 days against a lesser foe than Ukraine.

Are you suggesting the US and Russia fight wars the same way? This is exactly how Russia operates, they bombard cities, it may be barbaric but it's what they do, and Ukraine can't stop them currently. If you can't stop your enemy from doing what they've historically done, you are losing militarily.

Russia wants the Eastern portion of Ukraine, that doesn't include Kyiv. What they're doing now is trying to bring Kyiv to Russia's terms, will they be able to is the question.

Bill, you may have a point. Maybe Putin's entire plan was to attack Ukraine, shell Kyiv, and negotiate for a small sliver of land in Western Ukraine. I hear there is a summer cottage there that gets shade in the morning hours. Probably a wonderful place for Vladimir to have his coffee. Your assessment sounds well reasoned. Tank your economy, have the world consider you a pariah, destroy your reputation, destroy your military reputation, more than likely get yourself overthrown and replaced, but hey a corner lot with a lake view doesn't come along very often...

Or, since intelligence assessments are done according to level of confidence, maybe we can find one we're a little more confident in. Just maybe.

The whole world knows Putin went into Ukraine to overthrow the government and install his own puppet government. There is a high degree of confidence to that assessment. In order to accomplish that, you must take the capitol because that's where the government you intend to overthrow resides. The literal seat of power, if you will.

So, now that we've roundly mocked your ideas and completely discredited your ability to assess intelligence or even understand the basic premise of what intelligence estimates are, let us turn to what military engagements are.

Notice you substituted Ukraine having to stop Russia from doing what they want to do as opposed to Russia achieving their military objectives because they are not the same, certainly in terms of how we establish what winning is.

You contend that since Ukraine cannot stop Russia from bombing Kyiv that Russia is winning? OK, by that standard you may want to let the British know they lost WWII because the Germans dropped bombs on London for 8 months in WWII, not a couple weeks. They will be very disappointed that Bill, our newest intelligence analyst, has calculated that if you let somebody set off a bottle rocket on the street corner that you lose the war since you didn't stop them.

Ah, there's a whole lot more to "winning" than that, Bill.

Good try, though. Not really.

 

[warrior-cat]

Yeah you all were real concerned about Russian trolls all over your forums and social media sending you memes and nasty mean things to say about your fellow countrymen. I mean you elected a Manchurian candidate because of Russian trolls and are allowing him to destroy our democracy. You're some really patriots alright.

I did not vote for Biden nor am I on social media. It was your people who contacted Russia and set up a fake collusion story in hopes to get Hillary in. Had Hillary won, this war would have started 4 years ago and we might have an idea as to where it was going by now.

 

[Girthang]

Yeah you all were real concerned about Russian trolls all over your forums and social media sending you memes and nasty mean things to say about your fellow countrymen. I mean you elected a Manchurian candidate because of Russian trolls and the allowed him to almost destroy our democracy. You're some really patriots alright.

"Deplorables" "wretched Walmart shoppers" or "white supremacists" ... I doubt warrior-cat was selecting Hilary Clinton of the aforementioned memes and slanders. The same Hilary that sold Russia uranium, paid for Russian disinfo, and facilitated the sale of weapons to terrorists and enemies of the state WAS a Manchurian candidate no doubt, considering the money she received from China, Russia, and the oligarchs in Ukraine during her and her husband's political years. She even dressed like Xi. Good catch.

Looks like they may be coming around to some sense after all! There's hope for those with TDS yet! They treed Hilary when they thought they were chasing Trump

While we're talking about people and their "nasty mean things" they said about fellow Americans, let's consider how the moderates and right we're labeled by the president before trump... Oh, nm, they aren't going to give up their religion and it's demigod. Let's not get carried away.

But.... what was Obama doing in Ukraine as a newly elected US Senator? 6 or so months into his first term in public office, why was he there making deals with Ukraine and getting them to destroy their weapons? He was a nobody. A neophyte. Yet, 6 months in he's in Ukraine talking to them about their weapons with Dick Lugar... ? Anyone?

Just curious

 

[Canned Heat]

 

[SDC888]

The media simply exploit the average person's ignorance of global affairs and naivete about how the world actually works.

This war was as avoidable as it was inevitable. If they told you the truth, your anger would be directed at them and those that sign their paychecks.

Instead of each other.

 

[Bessarabia]

Canada addressing Zelensky right now. If this stuff doesn't give you goose bumps then I don't know what to say. I believe in what I post. I believe in my country. I believe in the cause of freedom around the world. Clear that many here no longer share those values or beliefs and I genuinely from the bottom of my heart feel sorry for you not being able to feel what I do watching this address.

 

[Bessarabia]

I'm an old man now. Still, deep inside, I'd love to fight alongside these Ukrainians. I'd brim with pride at being surrounded by such bravery while fighting for a just cause. We're invincible in our youth, but even as an old man I'd like one more time, one last time, to join the battle. I yearn to fight the Russians, still.

 

[Canned Heat]

 

[BMoore2]

I'm an old man now. Still, deep inside, I'd love to fight alongside these Ukrainians. I'd brim with pride at being surrounded by such bravery while fighting for a just cause. We're invincible in our youth, but even as an old man I'd like one more time, one last time, to join the battle. I yearn to fight the Russians, still.

This could be what it takes to unite a divided America and Europe. We needed to focus on something we can mostly agree on; that is that Russia is our eternal enemy. Cold War never really ended, just like WW1 never really ended. The consequences of the humiliation of Russia are being felt today.

 

[Bessarabia]

That was great to watch. Hope some of you caught that. Thunderous reception. Zelensky is triggering something in the world. Making us feel again somehow. For this one moment in history what is good and what is evil are clear. Laid bare for us all to see. We know the good guys from the bad guys if only in this instance and it is refreshing to see it with such clarity.

The stark images of people struggling for freedom is very powerful. Maybe the most powerful. That's the truth that is so appealing.

 

[Bill Derington]

Bill, you may have a point. Maybe Putin's entire plan was to attack Ukraine, shell Kyiv, and negotiate for a small sliver of land in Western Ukraine. I hear there is a summer cottage there that gets shade in the morning hours. Probably a wonderful place for Vladimir to have his coffee. Your assessment sounds well reasoned. Tank your economy, have the world consider you a pariah, destroy your reputation, destroy your military reputation, more than likely get yourself overthrown and replaced, but hey a corner lot with a lake view doesn't come along very often...

Or, since intelligence assessments are done according to level of confidence, maybe we can find one we're a little more confident in. Just maybe.

The whole world knows Putin went into Ukraine to overthrow the government and install his own puppet government. There is a high degree of confidence to that assessment. In order to accomplish that, you must take the capitol because that's where the government you intend to overthrow resides. The literal seat of power, if you will.

So, now that we've roundly mocked your ideas and completely discredited your ability to assess intelligence or even understand the basic premise of what intelligence estimates are, let us turn to what military engagements are.

Notice you substituted Ukraine having to stop Russia from doing what they want to do as opposed to Russia achieving their military objectives because they are not the same, certainly in terms of how we establish what winning is.

You contend that since Ukraine cannot stop Russia from bombing Kyiv that Russia is winning? OK, by that standard you may want to let the British know they lost WWII because the Germans dropped bombs on London for 8 months in WWII, not a couple weeks. They will be very disappointed that Bill, our newest intelligence analyst, has calculated that if you let somebody set off a bottle rocket on the street corner that you lose the war since you didn't stop them.

Ah, there's a whole lot more to "winning" than that, Bill.

Good try, though. Not really.

It's Eastern Ukraine, how does the whole world know it? You can look at the map of action and where the fighting is at to see where Russia's strategic importance is at, it's in the East.

I did not contend anything, I said at this moment Ukraine is not winning, doesn't mean they won't. The UK had a formidable Air Force, Ukraine doesn't, the UK wasn't facing ground troops in their country, Ukraine is which means the situations are not even remotely similar.

Russia isn't just bombing Kyiv, they're taking over cities in the East as well. If you can't accept that as Ukraine CURRENTLY losing the war, then you just want to argue.

You're just spewing BS, there's no logic in it unless you just want to get people to reply...

 

[Bessarabia]

It's Eastern Ukraine, how does the whole world know it? You can look at the map of action and where the fighting is at to see where Russia's strategic importance is at, it's in the East.

I did not contend anything, I said at this moment Ukraine is not winning, doesn't mean they won't. The UK had a formidable Air Force, Ukraine doesn't, the UK wasn't facing ground troops in their country, Ukraine is which means the situations are not even remotely similar.

Russia isn't just bombing Kyiv, they're taking over cities in the East as well. If you can't accept that as Ukraine CURRENTLY losing the war, then you just want to argue.

You're just spewing BS, there's no logic in it unless you just want to get people to reply...

I had a nice freedom buzz going until you killed it. Couldn't you see I was riffing?

 

[Bessarabia]

One of the biggest things that will infuriate me the most is if the Russians start seizing relief supplies meant for Ukrainian citizens. The Russians are begging China for MREs so it is only a matter of time before they succumb to more barbaric means of resupply.

They will also try to use cease fires as resupply opportunities. We must be prepared for Ivan to display the full level of their brutish inhumanity before they are defeated and sent back to sulk in the caves they crawled out from.

 

[Bill Derington]

I had a nice freedom buzz going until you killed it. Couldn't you see I was riffing?

You were on a roll. We're all for freedom here, but if we're going to end up in a war I'd rather it be based on truth.
I've got two teenagers, and several nieces and nephews that would have their lives forever changed by it.

 

[MoneyMuntz]

This could be what it takes to unite a divided America and Europe. We needed to focus on something we can mostly agree on; that is that Russia is our eternal enemy. Cold War never really ended, just like WW1 never really ended. The consequences of the humiliation of Russia are being felt today.

Would love for this to be right. But I think this thread is an indicator that we are so polarized that we can’t even align on the obvious fact that Russia is our enemy.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Shits getting real now. Russia just imposed sanctions on Biden and froze his Russian assets. Hopefully Hunter can make his next mortgage payment.

 

[jameslee32]

No collusion Nothing to see here. Move along.

 

[jameslee32]

Shits getting real now. Russia just imposed sanctions on Biden and froze his Russian assets. Hopefully Hunter can make his next mortgage payment.

lmfao

 

[AustinTXCat]

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That unlucky SOB drove right into one helluva mined tank-trap.

Edit some lucky SOB actually survived the blast and can be seen running on fire forward from the exploded tank. Crazy shit.

 

[jameslee32]

We have a true inflection point, a day before the Fed meeting, oil prices plummeting, Russian stock market closed for nearly 3 weeks, Ukraine getting devastated but re-supplied, Russia desperate for attention, all of their magic tricks being exposed and Q's on the hook about to be pulled out of the water. 🤣

Probably a Putin suicide or he invades some other country.