Roy Tells Killeya-Jones 100% Certain NCAA Will Not Punish UNC

[TeoJ]

If you read the Wainstein Report, you conclude that Faculty in AFAM initiated and drove the sham class system for 19 years. A handful of athletics staff used the classes to keep kids eligible and knew what Crowder was doing. Those staff are now gone. Other coaches and students all over campus simply heard the classes were easy--so kids signed up. Who wouldn't? Nothing from findings [so far] indicate this was primarily a coaches driven scheme. Not Roy, not his assistants.

If more facts arise pertaining to his involvement I'll acknowledge it. In the mean time I just see rampant fact Spinning with an agenda. You'll say "so are you." Nothing I've read or heard from Roy directly implies he's scum.

Innocent until proven guilty is implemented in the courts but applied broadly in society as a principle. It's how people arbitrate morality.

I view the larger college athletics debate as a broken system simply being taken advantage of by competing universities.[/QUOT

know that's funny I don't care who you are.

 

[jarms24]

Oh, and not only were the rest of the '05 AFAM majors, but they also failed to produce a transcript, unlike McCants. Your thoughts on this, hole fans?

 

[DDS62]

Actually, yes they did find UNC guilty of LOIC in relation to the academic fraud. It is now up to UNC to prove them wrong, which is impossible based on how the NCAA structured the NOA. Reading helps. You should try it.

*you're, not your

It was the finding of the second investigation that accused UNC of lacking Institutional control, the Infractions Committee has not yet found them guilty of any such thing. At some point after UNC responds and beyond the Infractions Committee will make a second decision on UNC's guilt or lack thereof, it is explained in the attachment. As of now it is only the summary of the second investigation and message board banter that is saying UNC acted with LOIC. You read "Lack of Institutional Control" and jumped to a conclusion. IMO and the opinion of many others NOTHING of consequence will happen to UNC, especially being found guilty of LOIC because that will require serious penalties being placed on them which isn't a reality.

Party on

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncaa-finds-lack-of-institutional-control-at-unc/14689222/

 

[jarms24]

LMFAO at you posting a WRAL link. Fk outta here with that. The NCAA absolutely charged UNC with LOIC. It's up to the cheaters to disprove it, but we all know that's not gonna happen. MBB was specifically named and referenced over 20 times in the NOA. Don't get your hopes up. You are toast, and I look forward to popping a bottle of bubbly when the hammer drops.

 

[hotelblue]

if this a coverup roy williams could be dead from stress in about 5-7 years. one "aw shucks" won't rectify this scandal. ncaa means mostly squat. it's been 4 years without a consistent verdict. without any at all, hurting their recruiting in the process.

 

[jarms24]

@DD562, The bad part is ... That WRAL link you posted says "The NCAA finds lack of institutional control at UNC" Thanks for proving my point, junior.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Oh am I outnumbered here? ****.

I find this hostility rather unpleasant. Normally these places are hospitable and full of rational, humble, self aware people?

Posting on rival message boards is like an American showing up to an ISIS cocktail party. I get that.

Good talk.

Your board bans people that don't even post on your board, simple because they are fans of other schools, so don't your panties in a wad here. At least here you are allowed to post.

 

[Smashcat]

@DD562, The bad part is ... That WRAL link you posted says "The NCAA finds lack of institutional control at UNC" Thanks for proving my point, junior.

 

[jarms24]

At some point, the question has to be asked ... Are all UNC** fans as stupid as their athlete-students?

 

[preacherfan]

It was the finding of the second investigation that accused UNC of lacking Institutional control, the Infractions Committee has not yet found them guilty of any such thing. At some point after UNC responds and beyond the Infractions Committee will make a second decision on UNC's guilt or lack thereof, it is explained in the attachment. As of now it is only the summary of the second investigation and message board banter that is saying UNC acted with LOIC. You read "Lack of Institutional Control" and jumped to a conclusion. IMO and the opinion of many others NOTHING of consequence will happen to UNC, especially being found guilty of LOIC because that will require serious penalties being placed on them which isn't a reality.

Party on

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncaa-finds-lack-of-institutional-control-at-unc/14689222/

Stop! Just stop! You are killing me!

I have to ask you like I asked the other poster: "What color is the sky in your world?"

 

[DDS62]

Stop! Just stop! You are killing me!

I have to ask you like I asked the other poster: "What color is the sky in your world?"

Same sky different viewer. The first investigation also included the accusation that UNC had been involved in "Academic Fraud" a charge with penalties on the same level as LOIC but although the Infraction Committee did hit the football program with some real penalties, they did nothing on the fraud charges. Something similar will happen this time. You and a few others want to believe the hammer is about to drop on UNC so bad you can't fathom the idea that nothing much will happen. But everybody understands and we all hope you are right. Just isn't likely to happen.

 

[brianpoe]

If you read the Wainstein Report, you conclude that Faculty in AFAM initiated and drove the sham class system for 19 years. A handful of athletics staff used the classes to keep kids eligible and knew what Crowder was doing. Those staff are now gone. Other coaches and students all over campus simply heard the classes were easy--so kids signed up. Who wouldn't? Nothing from findings [so far] indicate this was primarily a coaches driven scheme. Not Roy, not his assistants.

If more facts arise pertaining to his involvement I'll acknowledge it. In the mean time I just see rampant fact Spinning with an agenda. You'll say "so are you." Nothing I've read or heard from Roy directly implies he's scum.

Innocent until proven guilty is implemented in the courts but applied broadly in society as a principle. It's how people arbitrate morality.

I view the larger college athletics debate as a broken system simply being taken advantage of by competing universities.

So let me get this straight. Those black people running AFAM just decided to conceive sham classes for no reason. And all those white coaches just happened to place those black athletes in those sham classes just because they thought they would be easy for those dumb kids?

They should fire and prosecute those black professors in AFAM. And no reason for those black athletes to be complaining about it, they never would have played without them! I feel so sorry for UNCheats...

That ivory (and I do mean all white) tower of integrity shines Carolina Blue when you have some minorities to blame everything on...

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

Same sky different viewer. The first investigation also included the accusation that UNC had been involved in "Academic Fraud" a charge with penalties on the same level as LOIC but although the Infraction Committee did hit the football program with some real penalties, they did nothing on the fraud charges. Something similar will happen this time. You and a few others want to believe the hammer is about to drop on UNC so bad you can't fathom the idea that nothing much will happen. But everybody understands and we all hope you are right. Just isn't likely to happen.

You're not making much sense. First, you say "something similar will happen" which would imply that UNC*** will receive a postseason ban, vacating victories, reduction of scholarships, show cause on a coach etc...as outlined below, but you also say it isn't "likely to happen". Care to expound?
NCAA hits UNC football with probation, scholarship losses, post-season ban
After a 16-month investigation, the NCAA announced its sanctions regarding the UNC football program. The Tar Heels had imposed their own sanctions, including vacating all 16 of its 2008 and 2009 football victories, a nine-scholarship reduction over the next three academic years, a $50,000 fine and two years probation.

But note that UNC did NOT self-impose a bowl ban, as the Miami Hurricanes did this past November (the only self-imposed step the Canes have taken thus far in the Nevin Shapirocase), and the NCAA obviously didn't agree with UNC's decision on that.

The NCAA Comittee on Infractions hit UNC with

* Three years' probation from March 12, 2012 through March 11, 2015

* A reduction of 15 scholarships over those three years

* Postseason ban for the 2012 football season.

* A three-year show-cause penalty for former assistant coach John Blake

 

[KMKAT]

Kudos to martinm30 to put out those Roy quotes.

Flip-flopping is quite normal these days, and Roy is doing the same thing as successful politicians try to do.

What's sad is UNC thinks Roy is more important than he really is......I mean, come on, there's 13-17 kids! He can't possibly keep up with their grades!

And I still haven't read anything out of JP Scott that wasn't factual. He has a great handle on this issue.

 

[63in62]

You're not making much sense. First, you say "something similar will happen" which would imply that UNC*** will receive a postseason ban, vacating victories, reduction of scholarships, show cause on a coach etc...as outlined below, but you also say it isn't "likely to happen". Care to expound?
NCAA hits UNC football with probation, scholarship losses, post-season ban
After a 16-month investigation, the NCAA announced its sanctions regarding the UNC football program. The Tar Heels had imposed their own sanctions, including vacating all 16 of its 2008 and 2009 football victories, a nine-scholarship reduction over the next three academic years, a $50,000 fine and two years probation.

But note that UNC did NOT self-impose a bowl ban, as the Miami Hurricanes did this past November (the only self-imposed step the Canes have taken thus far in the Nevin Shapirocase), and the NCAA obviously didn't agree with UNC's decision on that.

The NCAA Comittee on Infractions hit UNC with

* Three years' probation from March 12, 2012 through March 11, 2015

* A reduction of 15 scholarships over those three years

* Postseason ban for the 2012 football season.

* A three-year show-cause penalty for former assistant coach John Blake

Those were the real penalties I mentioned. But let let me be clear. IMO there will be no death sentence, no NCAA titles removed, no wins vacated. There will be none of the major penalties issued that are being said, assumed or insinuated will happen to UNC in this thread. The very same posters that are saying or insinuating UNC will be hit with major penalties by the NCAA are the very same that predicted UNC would will lose their Accreditation by SACS, which most now realize is a joke. They are not in the know and are rationalizing everything to fit their own desires. We will all know sometime early next year. I do believe Roy was giving it to Killeya-Jones straight because I believe he has been reassured by the UNC Administration and they have been reassured by their Senators and congressmen whom have put pressure on Emmert to see that UNC's precious BB program is not seriously harmed. Hence the reason he has done nothing to the basketball program in spite of crystal clear evidence. JMO believe what you will.

 

[brianpoe]

Those were the real penalties I mentioned. But let let me be clear. IMO there will be no death sentence, no NCAA titles removed, no wins vacated. There will be none of the major penalties issued that are being said, assumed or insinuated will happen to UNC in this thread. The very same posters that are saying or insinuating UNC will be hit with major penalties by the NCAA are the very same that predicted UNC would will lose their Accreditation by SACS, which most now realize is a joke. They are not in the know and are rationalizing everything to fit their own desires. We will all know sometime early next year. I do believe Roy was giving it to Killeya-Jones straight because I believe he has been reassured by the UNC Administration and they have been reassured by their Senators and congressmen whom have put pressure on Emmert to see that UNC's precious BB program is not seriously harmed. Hence the reason he has done nothing to the basketball program in spite of crystal clear evidence. JMO believe what you will.

I'm here everyday, and I read posts that said UNC should lose accreditation, not that they necessarily would.

And after that pathetic cheating scam and lying about it they probably should have. But SACS is just like the NCAA in dealing out punishment.

Just like the NCAA should absolutely take titles from teams that had ineligible players. But they probably won't and idiotic UNC fans can keep telling themselves that the Cheating Legend Dean Smith, and every coach following, had no part in a rogue minority based academic program.

 

[preacherfan]

Those were the real penalties I mentioned. But let let me be clear. IMO there will be no death sentence, no NCAA titles removed, no wins vacated. There will be none of the major penalties issued that are being said, assumed or insinuated will happen to UNC in this thread. The very same posters that are saying or insinuating UNC will be hit with major penalties by the NCAA are the very same that predicted UNC would will lose their Accreditation by SACS, which most now realize is a joke. They are not in the know and are rationalizing everything to fit their own desires. We will all know sometime early next year. I do believe Roy was giving it to Killeya-Jones straight because I believe he has been reassured by the UNC Administration and they have been reassured by their Senators and congressmen whom have put pressure on Emmert to see that UNC's precious BB program is not seriously harmed. Hence the reason he has done nothing to the basketball program in spite of crystal clear evidence. JMO believe what you will.

So, did you forget which alias that you used in your other post or what?

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

Those were the real penalties I mentioned. But let let me be clear. IMO there will be no death sentence, no NCAA titles removed, no wins vacated. There will be none of the major penalties issued that are being said, assumed or insinuated will happen to UNC in this thread. The very same posters that are saying or insinuating UNC will be hit with major penalties by the NCAA are the very same that predicted UNC would will lose their Accreditation by SACS, which most now realize is a joke. They are not in the know and are rationalizing everything to fit their own desires. We will all know sometime early next year. I do believe Roy was giving it to Killeya-Jones straight because I believe he has been reassured by the UNC Administration and they have been reassured by their Senators and congressmen whom have put pressure on Emmert to see that UNC's precious BB program is not seriously harmed. Hence the reason he has done nothing to the basketball program in spite of crystal clear evidence. JMO believe what you will.

Which one is it- @DDS62 or @63in62? Troll just got busted

 

[Neue Regel]

You can't blame Roy for saying that, what's he supposed to do? He's got a program to maintain but I think he's naive to think the program is in the clear. There's enough there for the NCAA to do something and if I were a UNC fan, the unknown is what would have me pretty concerned.

 

[hoggwildcat]

"He knew!"

Knew what? That some classes were easy? Probably so!

He also knew he was a basketball coach and not a supervisor or overseer in the Academics dept. He actually trusted people were doing their job in academics! Clearly they weren't.

Coaches play dumb, and their fans believe them. This is why the NCAA has LOIC, so coaches can't hide behind playing stupid.

 

[Smashcat]

Coaches play dumb, and their fans believe them. This is why the NCAA has LOIC, so coaches can't hide behind playing stupid.

Well said.

 

[RamHard]

We have a good shot for him.

 

[JPScott]

I haven't paid much attention to any of this UNC stuff, so I am probably oversimplifying things when I look at it this way, but this is how I see it:

If Williams knew what was going on with his players and the fake classes, then shame on him for letting it happen.

If Williams did not know what was going on with his players and the fake classes, then shame on him for not knowing what his players were doing.

Either way, he is guilty of not doing his job. Pretty simple to me.

No you've pretty much nailed it. You have figured out rather quickly a basic truth that Tar Heel apologists here have failed to acknowledge for years.

And to make it all the more egregious, Roy has literally been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonuses due to the team's academic performance.

 

[Smashcat]

No you've pretty much nailed it. You have figured out rather quickly a basic truth that Tar Heel apologists here have failed to acknowledge for years.

And UNC still gave Roy an extension.

 

[jarms24]

Nobody said UNC** would lose their accreditation!

 

[hoggwildcat]

And UNC still gave Roy an extension.

A PR ploy for recruiting

 

[ukrjr1]

You can't blame Roy for saying that, what's he supposed to do? He's got a program to maintain but I think he's naive to think the program is in the clear. There's enough there for the NCAA to do something and if I were a UNC fan, the unknown is what would have me pretty concerned.

Actually, yeah, you can blame Roy for saying that. It is completely unethical to lie to a 17 year old kid trying to make a decision that will impact the rest of his life.

If he wants to go to UNC, fine...but he should be fully informed.

 

[Neue Regel]

Actually, yeah, you can blame Roy for saying that. It is completely unethical to lie to a 17 year old kid trying to make a decision that will impact the rest of his life.

If he wants to go to UNC, fine...but he should be fully informed.

Well it is within the realm of possibility (though we hope not obviously) that Ole Roy could be proven right. I don't know that you can say he is lying when no one knows but it's not the claim to make. What he should be doing is saying he's "unsure but confident" if he's asked and that way he's not making a definitive statement. Other than that he'd just hope he's not asked.

 

[preacherfan]

Well it is within the realm of possibility (though we hope not obviously) that Ole Roy could be proven right. I don't know that you can say he is lying when no one knows but it's not the claim to make. What he should be doing is saying he's "unsure but confident" if he's asked and that way he's not making a definitive statement. Other than that he'd just hope he's not asked.

We already knew that Roy has been lying about the academics because of his contradictory statements. We also know that the athletic department lied about Roy's actions when he had the Presbyterian kid removed. Roy never once owned up to the truth despite video evidence to the contrary. We also know that Roy lied about leaving the scrubs on the floor to take the brunt of a court storming. So, why would we be surprised that he is lying again?

To borrow a quote from "A Few Good Men," Roy has no code....no honor.

 

[.S&C.]

We already knew that Roy has been lying about the academics because of his contradictory statements. We also know that the athletic department lied about Roy's actions when he had the Presbyterian kid removed. Roy never once owned up to the truth despite video evidence to the contrary. We also know that Roy lied about leaving the scrubs on the floor to take the brunt of a court storming. So, why would we be surprised that he is lying again?

To borrow a quote from "A Few Good Men," Roy has no code....no honor.

Isn't it amazing how much of a rivalry they aren't? No offense to Neugal, he seems like a reasonable Duke fan. But how exactly does a fan of Duke, who is supposed to be the opposing team of the biggest rivalry in nearly all of sports, not know something so easily seen and revealed?

I have no problem with Duke and UNC respecting each other. But to act like its some crazy rivalry above all others is insane. To me they proved their allegiance to each other during the conference shifts. UNC was attaching a life rope to Duke "just in case". UNC made it clear they would go nowhere without them. Imagine if UK could send louisville to the MAC? Imagine if we didn't have to play them? Imagine if we could make them invisible? That's a real heated rivalry. UNC/Duke is all media hype.

But as to the thread, it just astounds me when Duke fans know less about this issue than UK fans or even Kansas fans, much less NCSate fans.

 

[ukrjr1]

Well it is within the realm of possibility (though we hope not obviously) that Ole Roy could be proven right. I don't know that you can say he is lying when no one knows but it's not the claim to make. What he should be doing is saying he's "unsure but confident" if he's asked and that way he's not making a definitive statement. Other than that he'd just hope he's not asked.

He said that UNC Men's Basketball wasn't mentioned in the notice of allegations, which is a lie. The basketball team was brought up in section five.

Now, nothing may happen...but Roy telling a 17 year old kid that UNC wasn't mentioned in the NOA is a total BS move.

 

[Macy's socks]

Wow, gone for some time and when I come back I see you all are still talking about UNC. The obsession some of you have with UNC is mind-blowing.

Also, when does "100% positive they're not going to crackdown" equal "no punishment"? SKJ even mentions scholarship reductions. I seriously doubt he came up with that on his own.

Welcome back. No one noticed you were gone.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Diary]

I noticed gunslingerdick liked your post. I can't believe the way he slams UK fans and talks about what horrible people we are he would want to even come over on this board. If I could be granted mod powers for one day he wouldn't be around long.

Wow, gone for some time and when I come back I see you all are still talking about UNC. The obsession some of you have with UNC is mind-blowing.

Also, when does "100% positive they're not going to crackdown" equal "no punishment"? SKJ even mentions scholarship reductions. I seriously doubt he came up with that on his own.

 

[TankedCat]

I noticed gunslingerdick liked your post. I can't believe the way he slams UK fans and talks about what horrible people we are he would want to even come over on this board. If I could be granted mod powers for one day he wouldn't be around long.

agreed

 

[drbubba]

Roy "Show Cause" Williams. New nickname, new chant. I'm getting the bumper sticker and the t-shirt. Considering the tatoo. If they don't run him off, the NCAA will have to apologize to Bruce Pearl and Kelvin Sampson.