Roy Tells Killeya-Jones 100% Certain NCAA Will Not Punish UNC

[Smashcat]

basketball. And here's a coach that said a couple of days before the notice of allegations were released to the public, he had never seen them.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article27007066.html

 

[WACB]

So the check cleared?

 

[poppycat]

Probable,he's right...........at least no lost of t.v. or tourney games.

 

[Bigblueforever]

basketball. And here's a coach that said a couple of days before the notice of allegations were released to the public, he had never seen them.


I believe Old Roy would tell anything trying to get a recruit.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

 

[jrpross]

Between this BS and Roy telling Harrison Barnes he'll be ready to go to the NBA "when we win a title" Roy may very well be my least favorite coach in the NCAA.

 

[westerncat]

I bet old Roy's nose started to grow while he was telling that lie !

 

[Smashcat]

I bet old Roy's nose started to grow while he was telling that lie !

It is almost as big as Dean Smith's now.

 

[jarms24]

Yes they will. NCAA doesn't issue LOIC for the COI to do absolutely nothing. They're gonna get smacked pretty hard, imo. I'd also be willing to bet Roy is the sacrificial lamb and that's how UNC kept Deano out of the NOA.

 

[Xception]

They want to blame peripheral sports as the great benefactors of this scam . As if women's basketball or even football was important enough at UNC to start a eligibility free/semi pro environment . Every move that state makes is geared to benefit men's basketball . Luckily their cheating didn't produce more accolades . For a long time their ability to give players a class free and play only lifestyle got them the best players but now that attending school is back in play they don't have the advantage .

 

[MdWIldcat55]

This just in: Roy Williams is a corrupt liar. He'll tell these kids anything, just like he has for years to get them to throw away a year or more of their NBA careers. And when the punishment comes down he'll pull his, "Dadburn it, that was so danged unfair!" routine.

 

[JPScott]

They want to blame peripheral sports as the great benefactors of this scam . As if women's basketball or even football was important enough at UNC to start a eligibility free/semi pro environment . Every move that state makes is geared to benefit men's basketball . Luckily their cheating didn't produce more accolades . For a long time their ability to give players a class free and play only lifestyle got them the best players but now that attending school is back in play they don't have the advantage .

Ever since Roy threw out the Presbyterian, karma seems to have hit him hard.

I have been kind of surprised at how much of a free pass the press has given Roy, given his completely contradictory statements regarding how closely or loosely he follows his player's classroom performance etc.

And then beyond that you've got his drug using house guest (BTW, is it legal for coaches to give their former players gifts/charity. I know Roy was cited by the NCAA when he was at Kansas for giving his departing players graduation gifts. At what point does it cease to be illegal, if ever ?)

Finally, the really odd thing to me is that people have even tried to give Roy credit for his players stopping clustering in AFAM.

First of all, it's not like he stopped the clustering once he got to Carolina. They didn't stop clustering in AFAM studies until after 2009, which just so happened to be around the time that Deborah Crowder and Wayne Walden left the University. (which appear to be the much more significant reasons behind the change).

Secondly, if clustering was the concern, most of the players who apparently were swayed away from AFAM ended up clustering in Communications, so if clustering was the concern it's not apparent that this was addressed.

It all is just more evidence of the huge fraud which has taken place IMO.

Not that I mind too much, in the case of Roy, since I think he's pretty much done as a coach.

Granted he does have a legitimate chance of competing for the title this season, despite the fact that Carolina no longer seems to have elite talent, given that he does have a lot of depth and experience on his team. But that seems to be an exception rather than the rule.

Looking ahead, I don't foresee Carolina being a perennial contender under Roy most years, like they've been accustomed to over the past decades. To your point, it appears that actually having to follow the rules that other schools have had to seems to have affected their modus operandi.

 

[lacocat]

You would think the negative recruiting against UNC would keep them from signing any NBA talent level recruits until this is cleared up one way or the other. If the punishment is going to be light, better to let it hang over their heads as long as possible.

 

[Federal Cat]

Dad gummit, shucks that's just other(all)schools negative recruiting against me I tell ya, as a tear rolls down his cheek

 

[preacherfan]

Ever since Roy threw out the Presbyterian, karma seems to have hit him hard.

And then beyond that you've got his drug using house guest (BTW, is it legal for coaches to give their former players gifts/charity. I know Roy was cited by the NCAA when he was at Kansas for giving his departing players graduation gifts. At what point does it cease to be illegal, if ever ?).

The NCAA is very clear that benefits cannot be given to former players EVER! To allow it would open up too many avenues of cheating. A good example would be a coach attending a wedding of a former player. If the coach gives the player a $500 wedding gift, it is a violation UNLESS the coach typically gives that same amount to other couples for a wedding gift.

BTW, as I recall, didn't Cal want to have a fund set up for former players to use to come back and finish their degree but the NCAA nixed it?

 

[westerncat]

You would think the negative recruiting against UNC would keep them from signing any NBA talent level recruits until this is cleared up one way or the other. If the punishment is going to be light, better to let it hang over their heads as long as possible.

This is something that I have been saying for some time. The longer this hangs over UNC's head it should be very hard for them to recruit 5* players.

 

[preacherfan]

They want to blame peripheral sports as the great benefactors of this scam . As if women's basketball or even football was important enough at UNC to start a eligibility free/semi pro environment . Every move that state makes is geared to benefit men's basketball . Luckily their cheating didn't produce more accolades . For a long time their ability to give players a class free and play only lifestyle got them the best players but now that attending school is back in play they don't have the advantage .

I never really considered that angle before. But, you nailed it. Why would ANY school, other than UT or UConn, even care enough about women's bball to cheat on that kind of a scale?

 

[BobbyG_tickle_swerv]

Wow, gone for some time and when I come back I see you all are still talking about UNC. The obsession some of you have with UNC is mind-blowing.

Also, when does "100% positive they're not going to crackdown" equal "no punishment"? SKJ even mentions scholarship reductions. I seriously doubt he came up with that on his own.

 

[ukrjr1]

Roy told the same recruit last week that UNC Men's Basketball was not named in the indictment...when in section five, men's basketball is specifically mentioned under lack of institutional control.

I find it hilarious that writers say that Roy wasn't mentioned in the notice of allegations...well, anytime Wayne Walden was mentioned, Roy is defacto mentioned.

Roy has stated in the past that Walden is the most important man on his staff, including assistant coaches...then after shit hit the fan ---> Walden was just another rogue individual.

Why does the media not nail him on this stuff?

 

[Fadhi]

You would think the negative recruiting against UNC would keep them from signing any NBA talent level recruits until this is cleared up one way or the other. If the punishment is going to be light, better to let it hang over their heads as long as possible.

I think you are hitting it on the end. Roy may actually be telling the truth. But the NCAA is indirectly hitting UNC by letting the uncertainty linger for awhile. I think this is a fairly good punishment. They are crushed at the moment.
Cutting scholarships and taking away wins from the record books is not fun.
Watching them being neutered in the open while a the kids are going to Lexington is fun.
Roy Williams is such a doofus

 

[Blueblood22]

Did he tear up with his phony "aw shucks" routine too?

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

Oh look who's back.

 

[martinsm30]

I think you are hitting it on the end. Roy may actually be telling the truth. But the NCAA is indirectly hitting UNC by letting the uncertainty linger for awhile. I think this is a fairly good punishment. They are crushed at the moment.
Cutting scholarships and taking away wins from the record books is not fun.
Watching them being neutered in the open while a the kids are going to Lexington is fun.
Roy Williams is such a doofus

How many of these accounts did you create?

 

[Bigblueforever]

Yes they will. NCAA doesn't issue LOIC for the COI to do absolutely nothing. They're gonna get smacked pretty hard, imo. I'd also be willing to bet Roy is the sacrificial lamb and that's how UNC kept Deano out of the NOA.

The Great Deano is the one that started this No Show Classes & Old Roy keep it going.
I hope that these recruits are smarter that that.

 

[TankedCat]

what else is he going to say? - he is getting his ass kicked in recruiting.

 

[Willy4UK]

Wow, gone for some time and when I come back I see you all are still talking about UNC. The obsession some of you have with UNC is mind-blowing.

Also, when does "100% positive they're not going to crackdown" equal "no punishment"? SKJ even mentions scholarship reductions. I seriously doubt he came up with that on his own.

and Bobby, you're a damn buffoon. That's your problem moron. You think this an obsession about uncheat. It's not, it's an obsession of justice. I am foaming at the mouth waiting for justice to serve your ass a good dose of punishment. You know when a victim's family is in court and they are so anxious to see the scumbag get the death penalty? Same feeling. You POSs are the scabies of the college basketball.

 

[poppycat]

Compare..........the last 15 years of Wooden basketball and
.......................the most recent 15 years of UNC basketball.
........................Wooden, Smith, & Williams all HOF?????????????????????

 

[jrpross]

Wow, gone for some time and when I come back I see you all are still talking about UNC. The obsession some of you have with UNC is mind-blowing.

Also, when does "100% positive they're not going to crackdown" equal "no punishment"? SKJ even mentions scholarship reductions. I seriously doubt he came up with that on his own.

Actually if you go through the rest of the posts you'll notice this just came up yesterday. It's been quiet on the UNC front for a while on here.

And whatever his wording was, he was deliberately deceitful. He doesn't know what the decision will be any more than us. But he gave the impression that there would be no punishment. He may have worded it like a lawyer so that if they do punish the men's basketball team he can go back and say "now that's not what I said....." But if he cares about kids and their future he should be frank and say "I don't know for sure what's going to happen. But I think....."

To say he's 100% certain is bull.

 

[Smashcat]

what else is he going to say? - he is getting his ass kicked in recruiting.

 

[Blueaz]

Booby ticklemyballs only posted to "bump" thread. Now he can brag to the other ticklers how this thread is at the top ofRR. But this story should buried

 

[CBBCrazy]

I full understand Roy saying this, he is not concerned about the young men he lies to and gets them to come to UNCheat. He hasn't cared in the time he has been there, why is this such a headline now. Get them in give them no education, provide housing cars and drugs. What an outstanding citizen he has become, the village idiot.

 

[TUL]

How can you tell Roy is lying?

His mouth is moving.

 

[ArmyWildcat81]

Wow, gone for some time and when I come back I see you all are still talking about UNC. The obsession some of you have with UNC is mind-blowing.

Also, when does "100% positive they're not going to crackdown" equal "no punishment"? SKJ even mentions scholarship reductions. I seriously doubt he came up with that on his own.

Yet here you and your sissy blue clothing are...

 

[jarms24]

Wow, gone for some time and when I come back I see you all are still talking about UNC. The obsession some of you have with UNC is mind-blowing.

Also, when does "100% positive they're not going to crackdown" equal "no punishment"? SKJ even mentions scholarship reductions. I seriously doubt he came up with that on his own.

Yeah, we're obsessed. That's why you're on a rival's message board.

 

[WildWestHeel]

The only accusation you can hurl at Roy based on actual findings is that he was naïve. He has said thousands of times over he has never micromanaged kids' classes, at UNC or KU. He actually trusted the system during a faculty driven academic scandal. He has a 40 year track record of treating everyone with class and doing things the right way.

And the venom spouted both here and with Dook fans to literally destroy him and his reputation is remarkable. You believe what you want to believe.

UNC fans despise Calipari because they feel better by believing he's a cheater and a sleeze to the core, when facts and history largely absolve him. Is it even possible for diehard fans to hold off judgement and focus on facts?

To paint a picture of Roy as a man of corruption & exploiter is easy to do when you don't know him. It just takes some rival groupthink. If actual facts arise tied to Roy directly re: the scandal, or anything else, I won't defend him. Joe Paterno is a reminder that no one is untouchable. But I'll never understand why any sports fan is hellbent on destroying a man's reputation when 99% don't know ****. That goes beyond just a sports rivalry. Guess 'innocent until proven guilty' just isn't as fun as venomous speculation.

 

[WildWestHeel]

I've got a good friend that's a diehard UK fan for life (occasionally on this board) and we've talked for 11 years about our teams/programs. Mutual respect. Never understood the venom.

 

[DDS62]

Yes they will. NCAA doesn't issue LOIC for the COI to do absolutely nothing. They're gonna get smacked pretty hard, imo. I'd also be willing to bet Roy is the sacrificial lamb and that's how UNC kept Deano out of the NOA.

Don't understand the basis of that opinion. Has the NCAA found NC guilty of LOIC in relation to the academic fraud? Why 3 years after the outing and 2 years after the NCAA investigation would the NCAA suddenly issue harsh punishments? Seems far more likely the NCAA has reassured UNC that nothing of significance will happen to them and Roy is reassuring his recruits. I think your dreaming.

 

[TriangleUKCat]

I've got a good friend that's a diehard UK fan for life (occasionally on this board) and we've talked for 11 years about our teams/programs. Mutual respect. Never understood the venom.

It's the sanctimony/Carolina Way stuff, either on the internet or live in person. It's really that simple. UK has it too but it's purely sports-related. No one is pushing an accessory or ingrained "morality" about how the university does business and never has. That's pretty much it.

I've lived in CH and now Raleigh for years at this point. Married to a Carolina grad with large family ties to the school...father, sister, and two aunts attended. It's fun. They aren't a$$holes about things.

Lots of great UNC fans. Lots of terrible ones. It happens. Learn sports.

 

[Smashcat]

I've got a good friend that's a diehard UK fan for life (occasionally on this board) and we've talked for 11 years about our teams/programs. Mutual respect. Never understood the venom.

Ludicrous. UNC fans for years have said UK only wins because it cheats and only UNC does it the right way.

 

[Xception]

Innocent until proven guilty is applicable in a court of law and not in the court of public opinion nor is it a requirement for the NCAA process . That must have sounded good when typed but it's pointless in this arena and not a hurdle anybody has to cross . Is there proof O.J. Simpson murdered Nicole and Ronald ? No , and yet he was considered by public opinion to be a guilty killer and rightfully so . He also got smited in civil court to where the burden of proof is lower . UNC's favorite tactic is plausible deniability , in other words have Walden get his hands dirty for Roy so he can claim to be clueless .

UNC had no touching idea for decades that there was rampant cheating , even when informed their laughable probes failed to uncover the truth . How is that possible unless you are intentionally trying to suppress the truth and why would you want to do that ? UNC is guilty , Roy is guilty and everybody knows it . Hide behind a smoking gun not being found if it makes you feel better but nobody needs the gun UNC has hidden in order to glean the truth .