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How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
No, a pink cake with blue frosting is not compelled speech. As the court ruled. He wasn’t asked to bake a cake with, “I support sex transitioning!” on it. Just a colored cake. He initially agreed to make the cake and then refused once he found out who it is was for. Denial of service.
How many other bakers in the city could have made that cake?
 
Which is why it has to be litigated. The fundamental issue here is does religious belief give you the right to discriminate against others who are protected by the same legal mechanism your religious belief is. It’s a contradiction in our system that must be resolved.
The fundamental issue here is, he is being denied his right to practice his religion. They can go to another baker and get their cake. He has no recourse. They do.

Is it worse to force an opinion on another, or not respect the opinion of another? I say forcing the opinion is worse because it invades the first persons rights. The second person has lost nothing.
 
I don’t think you understand the judicial process or jurisdiction. I have never commented on how the Colorado state appellate court would rule. And, I am sorry you are not the historian you thought you were.
Here you are giving your opinion on how the ruling should've been made. You were wrong. Hang your hopes on SCOTUS if you want, guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Reality: the baker has a constitutional right to freely express his religious beliefs without government interference.
And, yet, you seem okay with government dictating what your religious beliefs can be. It’s fun to point to one law and ignore others in an attempt to make your political point. But, one is a law that trumps the other. This guy will make you a cake. He just won’t participate in what he views as sin. Read the constitution. And, read the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. It’s good to know more than just a few laws when you play attorney on a message board.
 
No. Simple solution: bake the cake. Or go home. Problem solved.

No. It's his shop. Trans isn't a sex, it's a choice. Every single one. I don't give a shit how mentally ill they are, it's a choice to act on it. And half of these flip flopping gender idiots are just looking for attention, kind of like how in the 80's kids acted satanic because they garnered attention and pissed off the establishment.
 
Sure they make decisions on who is in charge or could be. Investing in wells is a 10-20 years timeframe. Can't count on Pubs staying in charge.
If they aren't investing in wells it is because they know something they aren't telling the public which is oil will be running out at some point in the next 100 years. They are taking that money and investing in alternative sources of energy that will enrich them going forward....guaranteed.
Technically, it won't run out but the cost to get it won't be worth the money they will make selling it.
 
How many other bakers in the city could have made that cake?

That's the crux of the issue here - go to another baker. This was clearly a trouble maker looking to make trouble for the sake of making trouble. As to the situation itself, if you own a business it should be your choice to decide who you do and don't want to serve. Christian and don't want to serve gays? Fine. Gay and don't want to serve Christians? Fine. It's your money and your business, nobody should tell you how to run it.
 
How is it based on sex? That persons sex is not changing, no matter what they do. They are immutably a female. That will never change no matter what body mutilating surgeries or drugs they take. The only place they are a female is in their own mental dysphoria.

Until.they can figure out a way to make a born male have a working reproductive system with a uterus, fallopian tube, ovaries, mammary glands, etc, it's a male, no matter how it trues to dress up.

I can glue feathers all over my body, doesnt.make me a damn parakeet.
 
Until.they can figure out a way to make a born male have a working reproductive system with a uterus, fallopian tube, ovaries, mammary glands, etc, it's a male, no matter how it trues to dress up.

I can glue feathers all over my body, doesnt.make me a damn parakeet.
It'll never happen. Scientifically impossible, funny how they don't TRUST THE SCIENCE!BRO!! when it's inconvenient.
 
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Don't worry. Our new ai overlords will be safe and effective while also fair and balanced. At least as probably reported by trusted unbiased news source cnn.


The bowels of the internet contain some of the worst things imaginable. A bot spends enough time in that unmitigated insane depravity, and it comes out sounding like Dion or sambowieshin. No surprise.
 

Question: pretty safe to assume people in past admins were gay. Does Biden get credit only because the individuals are open?

Seems so. If so, also seems they don't really care about the actual sexual orientation. Just the stated version.

Pretty amazing how everything lib is appearance over substance
 
No. It's his shop. Trans isn't a sex, it's a choice. Every single one. I don't give a shit how mentally ill they are, it's a choice to act on it. And half of these flip flopping gender idiots are just looking for attention, kind of like how in the 80's kids acted satanic because they garnered attention and pissed off the establishment.

They're brainwashed/exploited by doctors/pharma for profit, and they are failed by their parents/family and society, particularly schools.

They are to be above all else pitied for what's been done to them.
 
That is how you interpreted that? He said U.S. intelligence is run by lowlifes. And they are. U.S. Intelligence run by Brennan, Comey, McCabe and other slime who are gangster thugs much worse than the Mafia because they are in government. Not garbage pickup.

I agree 100% with Trump. The U.S. Intelligence is run by lowlifes and I would trust Putin before them and I don't trust Putin an inch. Please don't tell us you would prefer U.S. Intelligence over Putin. That doesn't make sense unless you want to destroy America.

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At least you freely admit your a commie traitor
 
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Just last week you were professing to love the Constitution and liberty.
I do. And we will never be free until we are free from religion. As the Constitution states. You are free to practice in your personal sphere. But in the public realm if you choose to participate in activities with others and society, i.e. owning a cake shop, their freedoms must be taken into account as well. Where do my rights end and yours begin?
 
Normal liberal deflection. We could be more self-sufficient with cheaper gas if it were not for Joe.

Teacher my ass, you can't understand simple logic.
we could have really cheap gas if we nationalized the companies stealing our natural resources. want to pay down debt? national US energy and put all profits into debt payments.
 
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How is it based on sex? That persons sex is not changing, no matter what they do. They are immutably a female. That will never change no matter what body mutilating surgeries or drugs they take. The only place they are a female is in their own mental dysphoria.
Because he's refusing service based on what he thinks their sex is. If it was a man born male buying a cake for a party celebrating their manhood he wouldn't've refused.
How many other bakers in the city could have made that cake?
All of them. Which is irrelevant to the fact that it's illegal for him to refuse service based on sex.
 
The fundamental issue here is, he is being denied his right to practice his religion. They can go to another baker and get their cake. He has no recourse. They do.

Is it worse to force an opinion on another, or not respect the opinion of another? I say forcing the opinion is worse because it invades the first persons rights. The second person has lost nothing.
He is not "being denied his right to practice his religion." He's free to close his doors and practice to his heart's content.

Except the cake. If one person can deny service then the rest can as well. This is how black people were kept out of towns across the South before '64. Denying property, housing, and food.
 
Ok, for hypothetical sake, let's say someone with a swastika neck tattoo walks in and asks for a white cake with white frosting in the shape of a kkk hood. No words.

You ok with forcing that baker to make that cake?

Cause sex isn't at issue here, the issue is someone making up their sex, which this guy disagrees with, based on his religion. As you liberals like to say, my rights don't end where yours begins, or whatever fool slogan it is.
if it was in the shape of a KKK hood then it would fall under implied symbolism and he could legally refuse it. And being a NAZI is not a protected class. total fail on your part
 
The Supreme Court a couple of years ago held that the concept of sex discrimination in Title VII includes discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity. That’s how gay and trans people are protected under federal law.
 
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The Supreme Court a couple of years ago held that the concept of sex discrimination in Title VII includes discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity. That’s how gay and trans people are protected under federal law.
Yup, Bostock v. Clayton County. Basically if you're fine with Billy dating Susie you have to also be fine with Jill dating Susie.
 
The fundamental issue here is, he is being denied his right to practice his religion. They can go to another baker and get their cake. He has no recourse. They do.

Is it worse to force an opinion on another, or not respect the opinion of another? I say forcing the opinion is worse because it invades the first persons rights. The second person has lost nothing.
selling cakes is not practicing your religion. Thats called a buisness which is subject to laws. In his case civil rights laws. He is free to not sell cakes and go be a bigot all he wants. Or just sell them really shitty cakes so they don't come back.
 
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As for cutting spending to extend the debt ceiling, I'd prefer:
- guarantee to not payoff student debt
- SPENDING as much as it takes to built a complete border wall, double the border agents, & stop paying for migrant housing & food
- requiring any future emergency plan to require a vote of Congress to continue beyond 1 month, including masking & vaxxing.
- ending CRT-type teaching in publicly funded schools

There could be other things. Bring em on.
 
As for cutting spending to extend the debt ceiling, I'd prefer:
- guarantee to not payoff student debt
- SPENDING as much as it takes to built a complete border wall, double the border agents, & stop paying for migrant housing & food
- requiring any future emergency plan to require a vote of Congress to continue beyond 1 month, including masking & vaxxing.
- ending CRT-type teaching in publicly funded schools

There could be other things. Bring em on.
Biden won't negotiate with terrorists. The GoP already voted to spend the money. They can either do their job and pay their debts or suffer the consuequences. If they want any of that shit they can do this thing called passing laws. I thought conservatives wanted single issue voting in congress? Sure seems like they only want whatever best suits their needs at the time.
 
Both are true at the same time. We should absolutely be pushing for negotiations at every stage. Diplomacy, not war. But it's up to Russia and Ukraine to accept those negotiations. We should also be helping the victim of an expansionist war with supplies so it can defend itself in the meantime.
 
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