POLITICAL THREAD

[Dionysus444]

But they aren't discriminating on that.

They are discriminating on type of cake.

No, he agreed to make the cake before he knew who it was for. He isn't expressly against baking pink cakes with blue frosting. You're lying.

 

[warrior-cat]

It doesn’t matter what their sex is, you can’t discriminate based on it. Whether you think they’re a man or a woman or a kumquat doesn’t matter. You can’t discriminate on that.

You still don't have to bake a cake based on their want when it goes against your religious beliefs, sensibilities, or a preconceived notions or morality. It is a business choice period.

 

[Dionysus444]

False. You guys were on the opposite of this point when the same thing was said about Facebook, Twitter, and other businesses banning or refusing to allow people to use their businesses. Save the those are different circumstances because the spin is old and usless.

False. I'm against social media deplatforming as well. Morally. Philosophically. But legally they're allowed to do it. I and the left want to join y'all in changing that and offering more robust protections for our citizens. But the uniparty makes sure it never gets done. Those Zuckerbucks are awfully tasty.

 

[TheFrontRunner]

Sure the city did everything to run off most of their police force, but it's the carmakers fault...

 

[blubo]

Elon has sure been quiet lately. hasn’t dropped any twitter “bombshells” for a while now. 🙄

 

[screwduke1]

 

[Dionysus444]

You still don't have to bake a cake based on their want when it goes against your religious beliefs, sensibilities, or a preconceived notions or morality. It is a business choice period.

If you offer it to everyone else yes you do. Or you can close your business if those religious beliefs are more important to you. You're free to choose.

 

[WTF Cat]

I told a war story once that gassy really liked. In his honor, I will repeat it. On the waterfront in Izmir Turkey, they had these night clubs called pavions. They had ladies who worked in them whose job was to hustle expensive drinks from customers, especially homesick gi's. A friend and I was visiting one on this particular night. A pretty lady came and sit next to me and a homely looking one set next to him. He wanted a pretty one, so he tried to run her off by releasing gas. Being ugly, she probably didn't make much money, so she pretended she thought it was cute. She would smile and giggle and wouldn't leave.

Man... if only we could "fart away" liberals... White Castle, Taco Bell, and Skyline would have to stay open 24/7

 

[55wildcat]

 

[trueblujr2]

This is why the issue is so important and must be litigated. If one can claim religious exception to any law we have anarchy. If my religion says I must kill all infidels clearly that’s incompatible with all of our other freedoms and the rule of law. Religious freedom is not a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Neither is being a tranny.

 

[trueblujr2]

Big difference between losers whose life and identity are tied to an internet forum posting prolly 50 plus times a day and someone who’s posted a few hundred times in ten plus years. I wouldn’t give a $hit myself if my account vanished and sure as hell wouldn’t take a second of my day to open another account. Y’all are all up-in-arms about a missing keyboard warrior who has to switch accounts to be fulfilled.

Obviously you do give a shit, else you wouldn’t have made this post. If you don’t give a shit if your account vanishes, prove it and make your account vanish.

 

[WildcatofNati]

Warmongers started another Ukraine thread. Everyone should join the party.

 

[Dionysus444]

Neither is being a tranny.

One cannot claim their sex instructs them to kill all infidels. They can with religion.

 

[jameslee32]

 

[WildcatofNati]

If you offer it to everyone else yes you do. Or you can close your business if those religious beliefs are more important to you. You're free to choose.

That is yet to be conclusively decided but it will be settled eventually.

My philosophy is, if you don't approve of me, and refuse to bake a cake, go to Hell! I'll pay someone else- your loss. I can't envision a scenario in which I file a lawsuit, anyway. In fact, I am baffled by these lawsuits.

 

[warrior-cat]

If you offer it to everyone else yes you do. Or you can close your business if those religious beliefs are more important to you. You're free to choose.

False

 

[jameslee32]

🤣

 

[jameslee32]

4th resident of The Villages admits to voting twice in the 2020 election

All four residents of The Villages charged with voting twice in the 2020 election have now admitted to the crime, court records show.

www.clickorlando.com

 

[jameslee32]

 

[Dionysus444]

That is yet to be conclusively decided but it will be settled eventually.

My philosophy is, if you don't approve of me, and refuse to bake a cake, go to Hell! I'll pay someone else- your loss. I can't envision a scenario in which I file a lawsuit, anyway. In fact, I am baffled by these lawsuits.

Someone has to stand up for our rights and freedoms. If this was race instead of sexuality even the majority here would agree(which of course means much more support in the population at large as this place is far-right). They are the same legally, even if y'all think it's ok to discriminate against one and not the other.

 

[Dionysus444]

That is yet to be conclusively decided but it will be settled eventually.

My philosophy is, if you don't approve of me, and refuse to bake a cake, go to Hell! I'll pay someone else- your loss. I can't envision a scenario in which I file a lawsuit, anyway. In fact, I am baffled by these lawsuits.

I understand that position and that's great for you personally. The issue is the broader society at large. Where does religious freedom end? Can I say my religion instructs me to kill Trumpers? According to my religion they're evil and must be purged. It's my religious freedom to stab them in the neck and watch them bleed out.

 

[JumperJack]

I do. And we will never be free until we are free from religion. As the Constitution states. You are free to practice in your personal sphere. But in the public realm if you choose to participate in activities with others and society, i.e. owning a cake shop, their freedoms must be taken into account as well. Where do my rights end and yours begin?

This is one of the most egregious misunderstandings of the law that I’ve ever seen.

 

[Dionysus444]

This is one of the most egregious misunderstandings of the law that I’ve ever seen.

Again, only insults and no substance. How and why is it incorrect?

 

[Caveman Catfan]

How many other bakers in the city could have made that cake?

It’s not about the cake, but rather judging and destroying people who don’t think like you. The hate crimes from the liberal.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Here you are giving your opinion on how the ruling should've been made. You were wrong. Hang your hopes on SCOTUS if you want, guess we'll just have to wait and see.

This post makes it clear Dion, you just make crap up and then try to find anything you think can support your lies. You cannot find a comment from me about any state appellate court, because I never commented. The only person eating crow is you.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

LMAO

You are the judgmental closed-minded hater, Dion. Marxists like you want to bully people into submission. You should walk away from hate. It ain’t pretty.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

You just restated my question with no new information.

In America currently you cannot be refused service over a list of issues. Sex being the operative one here. So yes, every business owner is compelled to provide service. If they do not want to for whatever reason they cannot continue to operate. You are just incorrect in your assertion.

Everyone here repeats this like it’s some sort of gotcha. It isn’t. Yes, it’s a good thing that most aren’t bigoted in today’s day and age. How do you think we got there? You think it was the same in 1960s Alabama? You don’t think there would be towns in the South today that wouldn’t sell to gay people? Naive.

The real answer is that these legal issues need to be resolved for the good of all society.

You are a bigot.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Here is the thing. The baker does not mind if the dysmorphic customer gets a cake somewhere else. The Marxist pigs cannot stand that all bakers don’t agree with their beliefs. The baker is not the judgmental bigot. The lefty bullies are the judgmental bigots.

 

[vhcat70]

Fools gold

Who's the fool?

 

[vhcat70]

we could have really cheap gas if we nationalized the companies stealing our natural resources. want to pay down debt? national US energy and put all profits into debt payments.

Which nationalized oil industry has lower operating costs than private oil companies?

 

[BlueRunner11]

Here is the thing. The baker does not mind if the dysmorphic customer gets a cake somewhere else. The Marxist pigs cannot stand that all bakers don’t agree with their beliefs. The baker is not the judgmental bigot. The lefty bullies are the judgmental bigots.

This is true. I’d wager 99 percent of these cases are just to cause drama. They prob do a background search of the bakery just to make sure they’re ran by Christians.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Here is the thing. The baker does not mind if the dysmorphic customer gets a cake somewhere else. The Marxist pigs cannot stand that all bakers don’t agree with their beliefs. The baker is not the judgmental bigot. The lefty bullies are the judgmental bigots.

Exactly. They can easily choose 100 others that will make it. But they want to force the one guy to make it just because he doesn't want to.

Of course libs ignored my question earlier about what percentage of businesses would deny customers solely based on skin color. It would easily be under 5%, probably under 3%, and potentially under 1%.

I understand the optics of keeping it, but realistically all those discrimination laws could be set aside and the effect would be de minimus at best

 

[Dionysus444]

Here is the thing. The baker does not mind if the dysmorphic customer gets a cake somewhere else. The Marxist pigs cannot stand that all bakers don’t agree with their beliefs. The baker is not the judgmental bigot. The lefty bullies are the judgmental bigots.

If everyone were allowed to refuse service like you want the baker to be able to then no, the trans person couldn't just get a cake another place. Because that next baker would be free to refuse as well. On down the line until there's no one to bake the cake. You legalize exclusion zones. Exactly like they were used on black people.

This is true. I’d wager 99 percent of these cases are just to cause drama. They prob do a background search of the bakery just to make sure they’re ran by Christians.

It isn't. See above.

 

[Bill Cosby]

If everyone were allowed to refuse service like you want the baker to be able to then no, the trans person couldn't just get a cake another place. Because that next baker would be free to refuse as well. On down the line until there's no one to bake the cake. You legalize exclusion zones. Exactly like they were used on black people.

It isn't. See above.

lol

 

[Dionysus444]

Which nationalized oil industry has lower operating costs than private oil companies?

Doesn't matter as the proceeds go into individual pockets helping only the elites instead of to the public good.

 

[CastleRubric]

Forbes Article fm 2019 About Lost Money in the DoD and Unaccounted Transactions

Was reading this while sourcing another story -
Thought it may interest some

IMO the US may run into economic problems that overshadow our social concerns and even the wars we fight
Granted, I'm not an economist - but I can't help but feeling we are often focusing on the wrong things

CBP.org - Chinese Smuggling Automatic Weapons into US (Louisville)

^^ NOT "good gun control"

2020 Fox Article - Chinese "Cartels" Operating in Mexico

^^ Link to the Chinese presence south of our border - commonly associated with drug running to the USA (another reason you need border control -- this is also what's known as 'asymmetrical warfare')

Russia Times - Obama Era Agreement to Allow Russian Troops to Train Inside USA
^ Some of you may see this and wince -- but apparently they were invited because of a joint agreement between the Obama Admin & Russia at the time --- the purpose was an "anti-terrorism training event"

Commander Wendy L. Snyder, US Defense Press Officer quoted in the link - 2012

So - you could argue that we didn't have any issues with Russia in 2012
But with the way the 'election interference' jihad went down - you'd think some criticism would have blown back on the Obama Admin for allowing Russians to train here - I wonder if the agreement that allowed this is still in place?

Good thing this President is distanced from such an Administration

Just thought it was worth considering ----

 

[55wildcat]

 

[CastleRubric]

Forbes Article on Army & Univ Missouri Collaboration for Cloaking Tech

Posting some military tech type articles here tonight because....
I'll be up A WHILE ,,,, and ---- there's really no other good place for items like this

Journal of Applied Physics talks about "meta materials" & working towards optical invisibility
Really cool read on the overview of what the material can do -- excerpts below:

AIP Article - Meta Materials and Invisibility

"Metamaterials are artificially structured materials exhibiting extraordinary properties that are not observed in natural materials. This is achieved by designing a new class of periodically arranged engineered macroscopic “atoms” of the desired physical property rather than being guided by their chemical composition.

🔬

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

South Carolina's Nikki Haley to launch 2024 presidential campaign, joining Trump in nomination hunt

Nikki Haley of South Carolina, who served as United Nations ambassador during former President Donald Trump’s administration, will soon declare her candidacy for president.

www.foxnews.com

 

[TheFrontRunner]

At least they are saying the quiet part out loud...no more pretending to be objective which they never have been, they are now proud to scream that their mission is to help one side.