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[Freetaxreturn]

It's about discrimination. You can obviously discriminate against people for their actions. If someone calls you a piece of shit and says you should die, you can rightly refuse to serve them and tell them to leave your restaurant. You can't discriminate against someone for their identities they have no control over and are born into, like sex or race. Those are immutable characteristics and protected classes. You're one too being a man. The protections protect us all.

Damn Dioness, I almost forgot this one 🍺

 

[blubo]

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Investigation, investigation…blah blah blah…

 

[bertfan31]

 

[Bill Derington]

Surely there would be some businesses that would refuse to serve blacks or hispanics or muslims. And then you would have some black businesses that would refuse to serve whites. Luckily, we don't have to think about these hypos because no serious person - republican or democrat - is advocating repealing the federal, state, and local public accommodation laws or overturning years of court precedent.

I don’t think they would refuse service because the country isn’t racist and any business that might would be not long to stay open.

 

[VaxxedObamaCat]

Decorum doesn't work against evil. Voting doesn't work with criminals. Government officials should at all times be terrified of the populace or it doesn't work. No more theater, no more investigations and Twitter threats and letters. Doesn't work.

 

[Marleydogg]

Maybe if Big Oil wasn't raping every American and charging triple what they should for gas... We'd all have a few more bucks in our pocket. But the Pubs just love to scream FJB instead of looking at the insane greed going on.

Exxon And Chevron Set For Record $100 Billion In Profits In 2022 | OilPrice.com

The surge in oil and gas prices will translate into record-high 2022 earnings for the two U.S. supermajors, Exxon and Chevron, with their combined yearly profits hitting nearly $100 billion

oilprice.com

But but but I thought it was putins fault, SCIENCE DUDE!

Make up your damn mind.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Surely there would be some businesses that would refuse to serve blacks or hispanics or muslims. And then you would have some black businesses that would refuse to serve whites. Luckily, we don't have to think about these hypos because no serious person - republican or democrat - is advocating repealing the federal, state, and local public accommodation laws or overturning years of court precedent.

What percentage of businesses are willing to discriminate solely on the color of skin?

 

[bigblueinsanity]

 

[sambowieshin]

Do you know why they are making record profits?

You see you usually have this thing called revenue. Before it turns to profit you do things like pay salary, overhead costs, and do this thing called investment. The oil companies are not doing the last thing. You know why? Because you have a democrat party who's openly hostile and threatening to shut their entire industry down...hence that last piece is turning directly into profit.

Let me know if you if you can find any industry or if you were a business owner if you would spend money to expand production and operations if the govt was openly threatening to shut you down. Unless you think burning money is a sound business strategy.

Not to mention, considering they are all operating at capacity which they didn't before.

Also the cost of fuel is dependent on a lot of things, like futures prices. Etc

But here we are pretending that Biden is a helpless bystander where all these things keep happening and all these industries just decided out of nowhere to become greedy.

Maybe focus on pronouns more or whatever you all think is pressing.

Big egg, big meat, big tampon...all mysteriously are just taking advantage of grandpa

Stopped reading your response when you asserted that oil companies have no incentive or money available for investment. Oil will always be necessary until it runs out and they made RECORD profits last year.
They are playing the gullible fools like always. Blame Biden as the oil flows at the same rate as under Trump and rake in record breaking profits.

Biden granted more oil and gas drilling permits than Trump in his first 2 years in office

Data from the Bureau of Land Management shows that President Biden approved more oil and gas drilling permits in his first two years in office than former President Donald Trump.

news.yahoo.com

Biden Administration Oil, Gas Drilling Approvals Outpace Trump’s

Center for Biological Diversity: Massive Fossil Fuel Expansion Undermines U.S. Climate Commitments

biologicaldiversity.org

 

[Marleydogg]

Stopped reading your response when you asserted that oil companies have no incentive or money available for investment. Oil will always be necessary until it runs out and they made RECORD profits last year.
They are playing the gullible fools like always. Blame Biden as the oil flows at the same rate as under Trump and rake in record breaking profits.

Biden granted more oil and gas drilling permits than Trump in his first 2 years in office

Data from the Bureau of Land Management shows that President Biden approved more oil and gas drilling permits in his first two years in office than former President Donald Trump.

news.yahoo.com

Biden Administration Oil, Gas Drilling Approvals Outpace Trump’s

Center for Biological Diversity: Massive Fossil Fuel Expansion Undermines U.S. Climate Commitments

biologicaldiversity.org

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So, which is it? Putin, or the greedy oil companies? Putin, or the greedy baby formula companies? Putin, or the greedy eggs farmers? Putin, or the greedy (...)

You're a clown.

The fact you allegedly 'educated' children is a national travesty.

 

[ukalumni00]

Decorum doesn't work against evil. Voting doesn't work with criminals. Government officials should at all times be terrified of the populace or it doesn't work. No more theater, no more investigations and Twitter threads and letters. Doesn't work.

The informed/good citizens of this country are fighting an unbeatable opponent the way things are now. The only thing keeping the US from becoming a complete totalitarian country is the 2nd Amendment. The US government is the largest and most powerful criminal enterprise ever known to man.

 

[mdlUK.1]

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Damn, her fat face barely fits in that bubble. She’s a doctor?

 

[JLoad22]

Glad they caught this little worm.

California Tesla driver caught on video in suspected road rage attack arrested

The Tesla driver who was caught on video in a suspected road rage incident has been arrested, authorities said.

www.foxla.com

 

[VaxxedObamaCat]

The informed/good citizens of this country are fighting an unbeatable opponent the way things are now. The only thing keeping the US from becoming a complete totalitarian country is the 2nd Amendment. The US government is the largest and most powerful criminal enterprise ever known to man.

How insane is it that the public allowed the formation of the CIA/ FBI and even Fed Reserve? I guess it would've been too much for these people to fathom the crazy shit that would ensue but in the 1900s, we let government control just explode. Then when 9/11 happened, we just let the Patriot Act happen.

You're not free in this country.

 

[bertfan31]

That's the funniest thing I've seen for quite a while.

 

[Dionysus444]

Just yesterday you made this post

At this point the people antagonizing the baker are essentially doing just that, calling him a POS, and bullying him because of his belief system.

Being a tranny is not an immutable characteristic, It's a choice.

And what is it with "protected classes" shouldn't EVERYONE be protected? How are the Tranny's pushing these lawsuits not bigots towards the Bakers chosen religious beliefs?

Sex is an immutable characteristic. Being gay or trans is not a choice. The cake is a pink cake with blue frosting. That is not speech. It’s a pink cake with blue frosting. Phillips is free to hate gay and trans people as much as he wants, but if he also wants to run a business he has to serve them. That’s the law. The trans person is just trying to buy a cake from a cake shop, not deny service to Phillips because he’s Christian.

 

[Dionysus444]

The libs and the one 'conservative' that have started 20 plus accounts are f-cking losers...one reason is they deny they ever had any previous accounts when it's beyond obvious they have. They usually have completely embarrassed themselves under previous accounts so they keep starting new ones and their account is almost always less than a year old. We have had idiots with a 3 day old account show up on the political thread of sports site and act like they have never been here before.

Knowls has had to start new accounts because of run ins with the mods, when he posts there is no denying who it is, everyone knows regardless what name it is under. He is probably the most popular poster here by far...it's a completely different situation than the losers who start account after account because they have embarrassed themselves. If the other posters that have had to start other accounts went missing no one would care, we probably wouldn't notice if they went missing. If your account vanished, no one would give a sh-t.

A.k.a. since he’s one of y’all you like the same standard doesn’t apply. Thanks for posting to confirm your hypocrisy.

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis Wilhoit

 

[Dionysus444]

The issue with that is that you would be giving license to businesses to discriminate on all sorts of grounds. Race for example. Businesses could deny service to black people (or any other race), which they used to do freely in the south before the Supreme Court's commerce clause decision in Heart of Atlanta Motel in 1964.

That isn’t a problem for them. It’s the entire point.

 

[bertfan31]

How insane is it that the public allowed the formation of the CIA/ FBI and even Fed Reserve? I guess it would've been too much for these people to fathom the crazy shit that would ensue but in the 1900s, we let government control just explode. Then when 9/11 happened, we just let the Patriot Act happen.

You're not free in this country.

The Patriot Act came before 9/11. It was written beforehand. "they hate us because of our freedom". George Bush

 

[Dionysus444]

He was the guy that made the stand and won.
Now they’re punishing him for it, and will continue to until he retires as a warning to the next person that thinks about opposing them.

He didn’t win. The SC didn’t rule on the substance of the case the first time. The issue is still undecided and must be decided by the courts.

 

[Marleydogg]

Sex is an immutable characteristic. Being gay or trans is not a choice. The cake is a pink cake with blue frosting. That is not speech. It’s a pink cake with blue frosting. Phillips is free to hate gay and trans people as much as he wants, but if he also wants to run a business he has to serve them. That’s the law. The trans person is just trying to buy a cake from a cake shop, not deny service to Phillips because he’s Christian.

No, it's not a pink cake with blue frosting. It's a pink cake with blue frosting to celebrate a gender change, or some such nonsense.

I'm sure homeboy has made a cake for an actual gender reveal party, when someone is finding out the immutable characteristic of sex at birth, commie boy.

Funny how you describe sex as an immutable characteristic, protected from discrimination, yet decide that someone can flip flop back and forth on said immutable characteristic whenever it suits them. An utter clown position.

Which is fitting, since you're a clown!

 

[mdlUK.1]

Sex is an immutable characteristic. Being gay or trans is not a choice. The cake is a pink cake with blue frosting. That is not speech. It’s a pink cake with blue frosting. Phillips is free to hate gay and trans people as much as he wants, but if he also wants to run a business he has to serve them. That’s the law. The trans person is just trying to buy a cake from a cake shop, not deny service to Phillips because he’s Christian.

He would sell them a cake, he just wouldn’t customize it for them. You think you can go into a Mexican restaurant and ask for Chinese for and expect them to make it?

 

[Dionysus444]

He didn't deny service. This is the lie you authoritarians keep using. They were free to come into the store, they were free to buy any product he had. They were not, however, free to force him to make something he has never made and conscript him into their service...which is what you are wanting now.

Let me know where you are confused about the above. Read it, then read it again. Per usual, you let your feelings get in the way and are basing everything on that. No one is arguing that the guys views arent dumb.

I've said before, and it crumbles your entire argument, if things were reversed and someone came in and said make me a cake that says: Gays Burn in Hell, and he refused, you would cheer. Showing there is zero principle behind this, its all feelings based. Not to mention, there is zero evidence he would make that cake either...None.

Again, this is nothing more but the left demanding ultimate compliance or you will be destroyed.

Wrong. She asked for a pink cake with blue frosting. That is not compelled speech. He agreed to bake it. She said it was for a transition party. He then changed his mind and refused to make it because of that. After previously agreeing. That is the definition of refusal of service based on sex. As the courts agreed. You’re just flat wrong on the specifics and issues at play.

“We conclude that creating a pink cake with blue frosting is not inherently expressive and any message or symbolism it provides to an observer would not be attributed to the baker.” Courts own words.

 

[Dionysus444]

I agree that this is not a public accommodations case. This is a first amendment case. It is a much harder case philosophically than just a "refusal of service" public accommodation case.

No, a pink cake with blue frosting is not compelled speech. As the court ruled. He wasn’t asked to bake a cake with, “I support sex transitioning!” on it. Just a colored cake. He initially agreed to make the cake and then refused once he found out who it is was for. Denial of service.

 

[JumperJack]

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Reminder that there was election interference when our intelligence agencies and the media colluded with democrats to intentionally mislead the American people about the Bidens.

Honest to God interference with an election.

 

[Marleydogg]

Wrong. She asked for a pink cake with blue frosting. That is not compelled speech. He agreed to bake it. She said it was for a transition party. He then changed his mind and refused to make it because of that. After previously agreeing. That is the definition of refusal of service based on sex. As the courts agreed. You’re just flat wrong on the specifics and issues at play.

“We conclude that creating a pink cake with blue frosting is not inherently expressive and any message or symbolism it provides to an observer would not be attributed to the baker.” Courts own words.

Ok, for hypothetical sake, let's say someone with a swastika neck tattoo walks in and asks for a white cake with white frosting in the shape of a kkk hood. No words.

You ok with forcing that baker to make that cake?

Cause sex isn't at issue here, the issue is someone making up their sex, which this guy disagrees with, based on his religion. As you liberals like to say, my rights don't end where yours begins, or whatever fool slogan it is.

 

[JumperJack]

Sex is an immutable characteristic. Being gay or trans is not a choice. The cake is a pink cake with blue frosting. That is not speech. It’s a pink cake with blue frosting. Phillips is free to hate gay and trans people as much as he wants, but if he also wants to run a business he has to serve them. That’s the law. The trans person is just trying to buy a cake from a cake shop, not deny service to Phillips because he’s Christian.

Utter nonsense. Unfit for a serious person to make this kind of nonsensical argument.

 

[Marleydogg]

Ok, for hypothetical sake, let's say someone with a swastika neck tattoo walks in and asks for a white cake with white frosting in the shape of a kkk hood. No words.

You ok with forcing that baker to make that cake?

Cause sex isn't at issue here, the issue is someone making up their sex, which this guy disagrees with, based on his religion. As you liberals like to say, my rights don't end where yours begins, or whatever fool slogan it is.

And since I know you're going to say he agreed to make it, the. Wouldn't, and no one would make a cake in my hypothetical, say a phone call comes in asking for the white cake, with dimensions required. Baker makes the cake, obviously nazi guy comes in to buy it, baker refuses to sell it to him.

Discrimination based on race, or nah?

Or, how about, leave the guy alone, and order a cake from someone else who will.make it, you despicable liberal nut job.

 

[screwduke1]

 

[screwduke1]

FREE GASSY!

 

[Lost In FL]

And since I know you're going to say he agreed to make it, the. Wouldn't, and no one would make a cake in my hypothetical, say a phone call comes in asking for the white cake, with dimensions required. Baker makes the cake, obviously nazi guy comes in to buy it, baker refuses to sell it to him.

Discrimination based on race, or nah?

Or, how about, leave the guy alone, and order a cake from someone else who will.make it, you despicable liberal nut job.

Because it had nothing to do with the cake ...

 

[Dionysus444]

Ok, for hypothetical sake, let's say someone with a swastika neck tattoo walks in and asks for a white cake with white frosting in the shape of a kkk hood. No words.

You ok with forcing that baker to make that cake?

Cause sex isn't at issue here, the issue is someone making up their sex, which this guy disagrees with, based on his religion. As you liberals like to say, my rights don't end where yours begins, or whatever fool slogan it is.

Which is why it has to be litigated. The fundamental issue here is does religious belief give you the right to discriminate against others who are protected by the same legal mechanism your religious belief is. It’s a contradiction in our system that must be resolved.

 

[Dionysus444]

Utter nonsense. Unfit for a serious person to make this kind of nonsensical argument.

Why? You have no argument, only insults.

 

[Lost In FL]

Wrong. She asked for a pink cake with blue frosting. That is not compelled speech. He agreed to bake it. She said it was for a transition party. He then changed his mind and refused to make it because of that. After previously agreeing. That is the definition of refusal of service based on sex. As the courts agreed. You’re just flat wrong on the specifics and issues at play.

“We conclude that creating a pink cake with blue frosting is not inherently expressive and any message or symbolism it provides to an observer would not be attributed to the baker.” Courts own words.

So ... if she kept her mouth shut then she would've had the cake?

How did she tell him? Was it in a way as to rub it in his face?

 

[SDC888]

Which is why it has to be litigated. The fundamental issue here is does religious belief give you the right to discriminate against others who are protected by the same legal mechanism your religious belief is. It’s a contradiction in our system that must be resolved.

That's a nonsense contradiction you pseudo-sophisticates complete morons have created to further your agenda.

 

[screwduke1]

FBI literally raided the sitting President. And the WH and FBI covered up the raid for months. Cant make this shit up.

 

[Dionysus444]

And since I know you're going to say he agreed to make it, the. Wouldn't, and no one would make a cake in my hypothetical, say a phone call comes in asking for the white cake, with dimensions required. Baker makes the cake, obviously nazi guy comes in to buy it, baker refuses to sell it to him.

Discrimination based on race, or nah?

Or, how about, leave the guy alone, and order a cake from someone else who will.make it, you despicable liberal nut job.

Political opinions(like being a Nazi) are not protected.

 

[Marleydogg]

So ... if she kept her mouth shut then she would've had the cake?

How did she tell him? Was it in a way as to rub it in his face?

Absolutely 'it' was gloating about pulling a fast one on this guy.

It's not like 'they' dont know who he is.

 

[SDC888]

Speaking of nonsense to further an agenda.

 

[Marleydogg]

Political opinions(like being a Nazi) are not protected.

Forest, trees. As always. Dion fancies itself an intelligent they, doesn't it?