The bottom line is this: bammer took action changing immigration laws. He stepped outside his authority. Trump is trying to right a wrong (one of many) by putting it where it belongs...in the lap of Congress. If they want to change the law or not, let them....and let them suffer whatever consequences they suffer.
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The bottom line is this: bammer took action changing immigration laws. He stepped outside his authority. Trump is trying to right a wrong (one of many) by putting it where it belongs...in the lap of Congress. If they want to change the law or not, let them....and let them suffer whatever consequences they suffer.
Mexicans did about 35% of the work on my new house. They did quality work. Not enough Americans that either have the skills or desire to do much of the work that needs to be done.
What if we kept the illegals that did the work on my house and sent about a dozen pseudo-disabled or drug addicted citizens to another country?
Yup, those Hispanics are just incapable of doing as good a job as the white people, that's what it sounds like your saying. Half the people I've worked with during my brief stints in construction, painting and tobacco work were druggies, drunks or just plain crazy. Which is why they're doing this type of work, they can't get a regular job.
Hispanics for the most part have a great work ethic and they know what they are doing. If someone's cutting corners it's because their boss let's them get away with it. But don't act like its just Hispanics who do shoddy work, there are a multitude of 'white' crews who cut corners and use shoddy materials to save a buck. Just laughable.
Man. You're so ridiculous it's just mind blowing
The guy said "illegals" not hispanics. People that hire illegals are taking short cuts. It's pretty simple. I'd pay good money to meet you in person just so I can verify all the things that I think about you. Name your price.
IMO this DACA issue has been handled brilliantly by Trump. It keeps his base happy, and at the same time, the way he stated it (Congress needs to do their job, if they don't, I will revisit in 6 months) puts the onus on them to solve it.
People are already upset with congress, this basically forces them into action. I don't believe Trump wants to deport a bunch of people, so this allows him to show toughness and consistency to his base while at the same time putting the screws to congress.
People are already upset with congress, this basically forces them into action. I don't believe Trump wants to deport a bunch of people, so this allows him to show toughness and consistency to his base while at the same time putting the screws to congress.
No one ever said that. I'm speaking of a very specific group. You're the one conflating it with all, not me. Besides, the point is, this notion that Americans don't want to do construction work is a flat out lie. I'm speaking from experience. I've been on a job site my entire life. It's not that they don't want to do the work, it's because a lot of them have been forced out by cheap labor.
Hard to compete with someone willing to work for $10/hour when you've been in the business a decade and expect to be paid what you're worth, and by the square. @Tskware clearly has been bamboozled by the "they only take the jobs that Americans don't want" propaganda. It couldn't be further from the truth.
Just because you associate yourself with trash doesn't mean the rest of us do.
Come on now, you didn't think Paul Ryan would let Trump get away with telling Congress to do its job and actually focus on accomplishing something did you?
“We will not be advancing legislation that doesn’t have the support of President Trump because we are going to work with the president on how to do this legislation,” Ryan (R-Wisc.) said during a news conference of Republican House leaders.
Of course he's already trying to push blame back to Trump for their inevitable failure.
Edit: I suppose there's the chance that quote is completely out of context but I don't care enough to watch an actual video of that weasel talking find out.
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Should be expected by now. Ideas, opinions and beliefs are such trash, accusations of racism, trying to shut down debate is the only way he knows how to defend them.
Most people got this. Again, it's common knowledge in the business, at least among those I associate with. If you're willing to break the law and hire illegals for cheap labor to save a few bucks, then, the majority of the time, you're also the guy who's willing to cut corners and do subpar work to save even more money.
And just to be clear, it's not always the workers' fault the work is subpar, either. Cutting corners also includes buying cheap equipment/materials.
What a snake Ryan is. He and McConnell need to retire. Useless clowns.
He's beginning to get his sea legs on the Presidency. Congress makes the laws, not the President, an executive order is simply a temporary band aid. Congress likes EO's because it prevents them from having to make tough decisions that could affect their getting reelected, but thats the job they signed up for.
There's also the possibility Trump will cut some slack on Congress, and reup DACA...IF they fund the wall and pass tax reform.
I finally saw Dunkirk last night. Pretty good film mostly because of the way it was shot. Anyways, I couldn't help but think of how brave these young men were and what they had to go through and then compare it to the SJW cucks that are rampant in that age group today who claim about life not being fair.
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If they're so productive, sending them home is an act of love. Just imagine the positive impact they can have making their homelands great again.
American citizens can then get those great jobs they've stolen.
Win-Win.
There is nothing, and I mean nothing, that I laugh harder about than the rich, multi-generational wealth horse farmers complaining that they'd be in some financial trouble were it not for illegal immigrants.
His tweet last night was dumb. He essentially gave up his leverage. He needs to quickly enumerate the concessions he expects for this DACA bullshit. (RAISE Act and Wall.)
He essentially implied he'll reinstate DACA if Congress doesn't legalize it. That's utter bullshit and a guaranteed move to alienate his base.
No need for the Dreamers to leave. Not their fault they are here. That's not compromising with a Lefty but from the belief of a Conservative: me.
No data, but I'd wager more than 1% of Dreamers have applied for legal status to the extend DACA was a legal process - which I strongly doubt.
Well, I'm a guy who respects the Constitution and rule of law, so yes, there is a need for them to leave.
Any evidence Dreamers are the backbone of the construction workforce vs. other legal immigrants & illegal aliens?
Trump is totally right on this.
Again you miss the larger point. Someone tweets out a graphic on the breakdown of DACA applicants and "reasons" that it isn't a program aimed at children. Obviously missing the point that one must have been here as a child to be eligible.
That was part of the point. From my experience, if you're the guy willing to break the law and hire illegals, then nine times out of 10, you're also the guy willing to cut even more corners. It's a red flag, and the reason people that I know avoid those crews. What I said was quite simple to grasp. Not sure why you're having such a hard time with it.
You're delusional, making stuff up. Read above. My point is very clear. No one ever acted like there weren't other crews that do the same. Matter of fact, I completely agree that there are plenty out there. They're no better than the others. We weren’t discussing them, though. We were discussing someones/something very specific. If you would like to discuss those other crews, I'd be more than happy.
They are home. They know nothing else. That's the shame of it & why laws ought to be passed to fix it. But that doesn't justify a dictatorship.
I wasn't speaking to that point. I was specifically addressing your comment complaining that somehow the chart was fake news or propaganda because it didn't include recipients under 16. I was pointing out to you that they probably weren't included because recipients under 16 are a very, very low percentage of recipients, and do nothing to actually change the percentages.
You can't break a law w/o consent to do so. They did as their parents told them to.
Which thing did he say that you agree with? I ask because he has danced around most every conceivable position on the subject. His tone appears to change dependent upon his audience. His latest statements appear to suggest he thinks Congress should make DACA or something similar, law. But of course today is Wednesday. Thursday, or even later today he may say something different.
No, they're not home. They're illegal aliens squatting on American soil thanks to their criminal parents.
Sending their parents home with them will be an excellent way to help them get acclimated to being where they belong.
Rewarding lawlessness such as this will only get us more illegal aliens.
It only says that naturalized citizens have the same rights (except to be POTUS or VPOTUS) as natural born citizens.
Also, notice that you never see kids cutting grass or doing jobs like that anymore? You can't be a full-time working adult and try to do the landscaping thing for a living because this is what happens. One guy might have the business and then hire a bunch of illegals who will do mediocre work for garbage pay and they don't care about the garbage pay because there's about 12 of them living in one house and the government will take care of other expenses. Much different than a guy trying to support his own house with a wife and a kid.
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So you have $1,000 you'd shove up a man's ass, but you won't give that $1,000 to charity. Explains a lot about you.
You're nuts. The kids did nothing wrong & shouldn't be punished for nothing. Want to punish someone? First punish the politicians that let them stay here. If you won't do that, you got nothing but your own anger.
Yes, the kids are here illegally & Congress are dumb asses for not fixing that.
Or do you prefer sending the kids - even if some are now 35 - to their parents' country over legalizing them here? BTW, were I the supposed receiving country, I'd want documentation that the kids even originated in my country. Where you going to get that?
I would gladly sign up for this system so long as everyone is happy with the system and people aren't getting taken advantage of. The problem is, that isn't how communism works in practice. Humans are simply not wired this way, and I can't figure out why those folks cannot see that.
