POLITICAL THREAD

[Dionysus444]

A sperm will never progress to a human being. It fertilizes an egg to create a zygote that will progress to a human being. As I said earlier, you tell yourself these fallacies such as breathing outside of a womb and sperm in a sock to internally justify your acceptance of murder.

A fetus “will never progress to a human being” by that metric either, it has to be implanted in a person, attached by an umbilical cord, then fed nutrients until it’s birthed into a human being.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Now?

I'll be real. When I was like 16 I did a lot of "Libs think..." or "conservatives think" and then pushed some weird argument to the end of it. I'd then pat myself on the back hoping like minded people would bail me out of my strawman argument (another danger of an echo chamber), but 99.8% of the time when you see a statement like "Libs think..." it's some political activist making up arguments for the other side and rebutting the argument they made up.

Almost always used as a crutch to evade talking substance. Pretty much an easy way to know if someone actually cares about discussion or if they just want to do goofy back and forths.

OH! Just like “y’all!” Which, is the cheap way of avoiding actually addressing the person in front of you with a strawman argument. See that A LOT HERE from the “Libs.”

 

[sambowieshin]

So breathing on your own is the criteria now?

No need for the use of ventilators in ICUs then. Can’t breathe? Straight to the morgue, non-human!

How bout can't breathe even with assistance.
Kinda like the sperm you kill every day? Can't impregnate....straight to the toe tip of a sock, non-human!

 

[sambowieshin]

It is a stage of human life, my friend. You went through it, I went through it, everyone went through it.

Your stage of development does not effect your value as human being.

Your sperm goes thru it too...but nobody seems to care about them.
Sperm Lives Matter.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

It's not even relevant to the situation though. The people in Gaza are not where they are because of their LGBTQ policy. That argument is basically, 'I disagree with their opinion on sexuality, so they deserve to not have any human rights and be penned and slaughtered like cattle.' It's nuts. I disagree with their conservative religious positions on the LGBTQ community too, but they're still people who deserve basic human rights. Hell, their positions on those topics align much more closely with y'all's than they do liberals/leftists. It's just lip service to try to backwards-justify y'all's pre-existing hate.

An example of “y’all” used in a loser post in a manner previously identified (perfect timing).

Your (as in you the poster) preexisting hate towards Jews is patent. Enjoy your evening.

 

[sambowieshin]

A sperm will never progress to a human being. It fertilizes an egg to create a zygote that will progress to a human being. As I said earlier, you tell yourself these fallacies such as breathing outside of a womb and sperm in a sock to internally justify your acceptance of murder.

Is it murder dropping bombs on Palestinian and Ukrainian children? Why do Pubs care about a clump of undeveloped cells but don't give a rats azz about living children in Palestine and Ukraine?
That is much more in line with murdering children than a clump of cells that has never even been born.
Makes zero sense.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

A fetus “will never progress to a human being” by that metric either, it has to be implanted in a person, attached by an umbilical cord, then fed nutrients until it’s birthed into a human being.

False.

 

[WayneDougan]

Since the beginning of humanity people

Is it murder dropping bombs on Palestinian and Ukrainian children?

wait what?

The dems are the ones who want to go to war now.

 

[sambowieshin]

Since the beginning of humanity people

wait what?

The dems are the ones who want to go to war now.

Wth??? Ukraine was attacked by Russia not the other way around. US only supplies weapons for Ukraine to defend itself from unwarranted Russian missiles being dropped on Ukrainian cities.
Biden is no longer providing Israel with offensive weapons to attack Palestine.
How is any of that indicative of wanting to go to war??

 

[blubo]

every time i read a story like this i feel like it’s just one more thing stuck to the snowball to hell
🤬

Minnesota allows for permanent absentee voting

Any Minnesota voter can now sign up for a permanent absentee ballot.

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[BC_Wader]

Why do Pubs care about a clump of undeveloped cells but don't give a rats azz about living children in Palestine

I'll give you $1000 if you can point to Palestine on a map.

 

[WayneDougan]

every time i read a story like this i feel like it’s just one more thing stuck to the snowball to hell
🤬

Minnesota allows for permanent absentee voting

Any Minnesota voter can now sign up for a permanent absentee ballot.

nypost.com

We are seeing a full break down of EVERYTHING in society.

 

[BlueRunner11]

How bout can't breathe even with assistance.
Kinda like the sperm you kill every day? Can't impregnate....straight to the toe tip of a sock, non-human!

Every attempt at natural reproduction is at the sacrifice of millions of sperm by design.

You should make it your life mission to save them all if you feel so passionate about men’s ejaculate.

“If it saves just ONE sperm, it’ll all be worth it”.

 

[blubo]

 

[sambowieshin]

Every attempt at natural reproduction is at the sacrifice of millions of sperm by design.

You should make it your life mission to save them all if you feel so passionate about men’s ejaculate.

“If it saves just ONE sperm, it’ll all be worth it”.

Your the one screaming bloody murder over undeveloped cells that are not fully formed humans not me. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy....
Murdered living children in Palestine/Ukraine are a shoulder shrug unworthy of US funding or intervention.
Aborted undeveloped clumps of cells that have yet to be born are a call to arms.
Makes. Zero. Sense.

 

[Dionysus444]

I'll give you $1000 if you can point to Palestine on a map.

Where’s my money?

 

[BlueRunner11]

Your the one screaming bloody murder over undeveloped cells that are not fully formed humans not me. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy....
Murdered living children in Palestine/Ukraine are a shoulder shrug unworthy of US funding or intervention.
Aborted undeveloped clumps of cells that have yet to be born are a call to arms.
Makes. Zero. Sense.

Dude I’ve been about as outspoken as anyone for the US not being involved in either of those conflicts.

And since obviously no one can or will ever agree on when it’s ok to terminate a child/clump of cells…the logical and most reasonable approach would be just to take it off the table and err on the side of caution altogether.

Ive seen 1000s of ultrasounds, Im not gambling that’s a clump of cells in there when the stakes could be murder.

 

[Dionysus444]

And since obviously no one can or will ever agree on when it’s ok to terminate a child/clump of cells…the logical and most reasonable approach would be just to take it off the table and err on the side of caution altogether.

Ive seen 1000s of ultrasounds, Im not gambling that’s a clump of cells in there when the stakes could be murder.

That's an individual determination though. The government isn't involved in legislating that morality, its only involving interest is in protecting the rights of its citizens. Which means determining when a fetus becomes a legal person whereupon rights are conveyed. Currently that's birth, when it ceases to be a fetus and becomes a baby.

 

[exemjr]

Is it murder dropping bombs on Palestinian and Ukrainian children? Why do Pubs care about a clump of undeveloped cells but don't give a rats azz about living children in Palestine and Ukraine?
That is much more in line with murdering children than a clump of cells that has never even been born.
Makes zero sense.

Where did I ever say that I don't care about children in Palestine or Ukraine? For that matter, who on here has said they don't care about those children? Let's see, you are up to 3 fallacies now to justify your acceptance of murder. I'm sure you have a 1000 more. Let's just let this conversation end since I'm not going to change your mind, and you are not going to change mine.

 

[Dionysus444]

Where did I ever say that I don't care about children in Palestine or Ukraine? For that matter, who on here has said they don't care about those children?

@WildcatofNati2 says that on the regular. Even posting snarky 🥱 and 😴 emojis.

 

[UK_fan_41102]

Where did I ever say that I don't care about children in Palestine or Ukraine? For that matter, who on here has said they don't care about those children? Let's see, you are up to 3 fallacies now to justify your acceptance of murder. I'm sure you have a 1000 more. Let's just let this conversation end since I'm not going to change your mind, and you are not going to change mine.

I've come to realize arguing with Sam is like debating a chimpanzee. No matter how researched or rational your argument is. The chimpanzee will just throw crap at everyone and strut about like it won.

 

[vhcat70]

OH! Just like “y’all!” Which, is the cheap way of avoiding actually addressing the person in front of you with a strawman argument. See that A LOT HERE from the “Libs.”

"Y'all" is an excellent word addition for the American English Language. English has no way to distinguish between the singular and plural in the second person without using additional words. "You" is both. "Y'all" makes that distinction. Ought to be in the American dictionary if it's not. Y'all are welcome.

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

The guy that shot two police is confirmed as an Illegal from Venezuala who was caught and released last summer. His immigration case was recently dismissed. There are no consequences for people breaking into our country. The consequences are for us. Liberals destroy every single thing they touch as they are all sick and pathetic.

 

[UK_fan_41102]

 

[BlueRunner11]

That's an individual determination though. The government isn't involved in legislating that morality, its only interest is in protecting the rights of its citizens. Which means determining when a fetus becomes a legal person whereupon rights are conveyed. Currently that's birth, when it ceases to be a fetus and becomes a baby.

I’m not sure but didn’t legal rights of a fetus in utero get restored when Roe was overturned or at least back in the states hands?

Regardless, in most criminal offenses against a mother to be, it counts as two separate but same charges. There is literally no reason to ever have this type of setup unless you’re placing the same type of value on the fetus as you are the mother.

The rationale for murder being acceptable (as long as the mother does it) and then punishable in every other scenario with a fetus has always been ridiculous and void of any real common sense imo.

 

[sambowieshin]

Where did I ever say that I don't care about children in Palestine or Ukraine? For that matter, who on here has said they don't care about those children? Let's see, you are up to 3 fallacies now to justify your acceptance of murder. I'm sure you have a 1000 more. Let's just let this conversation end since I'm not going to change your mind, and you are not going to change mine.

I'm not necessarily saying you have those beliefs if you dont....But the Republican party has been crystal clear about wanting NO military aid for Ukraine but giving Israel whatever it needs to destroy Hamas and any Palestinians that happen to be anywhere in the way.
Not a care in the world for the defense of Ukrainian children or the destruction of Palestinian children.
The dichotomy makes no sense.

 

[Dionysus444]

I’m not sure but didn’t legal rights of a fetus in utero get restored when Roe was overturned or at least back in the states hands?

Regardless, in most criminal offenses against a mother to be, it counts as two separate but same charges. There is literally no reason to ever have this type of setup unless you’re placing the same type of value on the fetus as you are the mother.

The rationale for murder being acceptable (as long as the mother does it) and then punishable in every other scenario with a fetus has always been ridiculous and void of any real common sense imo.

No, fetuses have never had legal rights. Pre or post-Roe. A handful of red states are at various stages of legislating such, but no Roe wasn't tied to it at all, federally or at the state level.

Some states have added fetal homicide laws in addition to regular homicide laws, which they've had to do specifically because fetuses are not people and are not covered under homicide. Terminating a fetus is not murder because a fetus is not a person with legal rights. I understand you feel differently morally, but those are the legal underpinnings.

 

[sambowieshin]

I’m not sure but didn’t legal rights of a fetus in utero get restored when Roe was overturned or at least back in the states hands?

Regardless, in most criminal offenses against a mother to be, it counts as two separate but same charges. There is literally no reason to ever have this type of setup unless you’re placing the same type of value on the fetus as you are the mother.

The rationale for murder being acceptable (as long as the mother does it) and then punishable in every other scenario with a fetus has always been ridiculous and void of any real common sense imo.

Not really ridiculous if you consider that fetus to be a part of the woman's body....which it absolutely is.
Kinda like it would be your right to chop off one of your own fingers but against the law if I did it to you against your will.
Your body....your choice.
That said, I do think there should be restrictions on how late into the pregnancy a mother has that right.

 

[warrior-cat]

The irony of this being posted about anyone other than Trump is palpable.

The ignorance by you in reference to Trump is palpable.

 

[BC_Wader]

Where’s my money?

Lol did you get that map from Politico's website. I've searched high and low on google and the darn place just isn't there. Because it's Israel.

 

[warrior-cat]

It's not even relevant to the situation though. The people in Gaza are not where they are because of their LGBTQ policy. That argument is basically, 'I disagree with their opinion on sexuality, so they deserve to not have any human rights and be penned and slaughtered like cattle.' It's nuts. I disagree with their conservative religious positions on the LGBTQ community too, but they're still people who deserve basic human rights. Hell, their positions on those topics align much more closely with y'all's than they do liberals/leftists. It's just lip service to try to backwards-justify y'all's pre-existing hate.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You're blathering again with a BS assertion. You really are reaching shin level stupidity.

 

[warrior-cat]

Trump and his campaign did collude with Russia. Through Wikileaks on the timing of the release of the hacked Podesta emails to counter the Billy Bush 'Grab 'Em By the P****' tape. Whether or not that rises to the level of criminal conspiracy is debatable. After the Stormy verdict though an argument could be made the two situations are similar, but it'd have to be prosecuted by the feds so highly unlikely to happen.

False. Headline whoring again I see.

 

[warrior-cat]

To be fair that's a generalization in and of itself. Right? You're making a generalization about generalizations. Best to just ignore a generalization and address whatever substance exists in a post if you have such an issue with them. Plenty of posters here are going to have many, many things you have issues with. Insults, craziness, ad hominem attacks, complete fabrications. Pretty much par for the course.

Yet you post generalizations all of the time from already debunked "information".

Hypocrite much? Yes...yes you do.

 

[Dionysus444]

Lol did you get that map from Politico's website. I've searched high and low on google and the darn place just isn't there. Because it's Israel.

Where's my money? You a welcher?

 

[SDC888]

Not really ridiculous if you consider that fetus to be a part of the woman's body....which it absolutely is.
Kinda like it would be your right to chop off one of your own fingers but against the law if I did it to you against your will.
Your body....your choice.
That said, I do think there should be restrictions on how late into the pregnancy a mother has that right.

 

[Dionysus444]

Yet you post generalizations all of the time from already debunked "information".

Hypocrite much? Yes...yes you do.

I do post generalizations all the time. Where I believe them to be applicable. If you were following the conversation, I wasn't the one who said they had an issue with them.

 

[Mash 2.4]

History often repeats itself in times such as these.
"The Nazi Party had fewer than 60 members in 1920, but by 1945, the party had grown to 8.5 million members."

Large movements often result in nothing more than a huge pile of sh**.

Just think. You and Joe already have that 81 million from the 2020 election. Imagine the tyranny you can throw down when you get 100 million or more this next election with the influx of illegals voting. You guys will make the third reich look like a buddhist monastery.

 

[sambowieshin]

Just think. You and Joe already have that 81 million from the 2020 election. Imagine the tyranny you can throw down when you get 100 million or more this next election with the influx of illegals voting. You guys will make the third reich look like a buddhist monastery.

Name ONE law passed in the last 4 years of Biden that took away your freedom of speech, gun rights or any other freedom you previously held before Biden.
Ok, there was the abortion rights previously held...but that was Republicans that removed those rights.
And there were some rights held that allowed trans medications....but that was Republicans that removed those rights.
And there were some books banned....by Republicans.
Still waiting on the rights removed by the "commie", "fascist" Dems.
I'll hang up and listen to the fascists in sheep's clothing wrapped in a flag, wrapped in a Bible...

 

[Marleydogg]

I don't know what it means to say a "a portion of Dems turned into anarchists". By definition, those two ideologies are diametrically opposed. The only cross over would be an effort like defund the police, which was actually a convenient cross over of the far left and extreme libertarian fringe.

Unless you're using extreme artistic license, riots never happened in 2016. They happened after the BLM movement and in the middle of pandemics (and those two things aren't unrelated). Really not related to Hilary Clinton at all.

And yes, Trump committed a crime (actually multiple) when he banged the porn star and committed financial fraud to cover it up. He then blamed the justice system for him crimes.

We haven't even talked about the lead propagator of election fraud. Hint: The guy claiming the fraud actually has more evidence against him than any of the conspiracy theories propagated by the Jan 6 crew.

All right, enough of this drivel. The left rioted on the day of the Inauguration of Trump, and yet here you deny it.

Off to ignore your lying, ignorant ass goes

See ya, chump.

 

[sambowieshin]

Take that "body" out at 4 weeks and see how well that body does on it's own.