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[blubo]

The image of a mass murderer. I would guess our taxes paid for them.

This belongs with my previous post.
**what the hell is that behind her?

 

[55wildcat]

 

[trueblujr2]

The image of a mass murderer. I would guess our taxes paid for them.

Say your an easy sloot without saying your an easy sloot.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

This cake case does specifically have to do with a CO law, but yes there's the possibility of SCOTUS ruling on some aspects of that CO law in 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis. Will be interesting to see how that one goes and the limits of the ruling since all they took up was the freedom of speech clause and not the freedom of religion clause. Or if they eventually take up Phillips's case on appeal assuming the CO SC affirms the CO appellate court decision.

It's not a coincidence we're talking about cake, food. Sustenance required to live. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 made it illegal to refuse service based just on who someone is. Their race, color, national origin, religion, or sex. Age, disability, and veteran status were added later. This means a town cannot all get together and decide they won't sell food or housing to black people and thereby effectively ban all black people from their town. No one is being forced to create, they're only being forced to provide equal service to all if they choose to provide a service.

You can throw out a platitude like that but it doesn't make it true. Some businesses, mostly in rural areas(especially in the South), would be lauded by their local populations if they refused service to transgender people. They would be more successful, not less. Your free market isn't the solution to every problem.

So your sentence contains several different issues.

1) forced: what do you mean by forced? We've mostly been talking about the Jack Phillips cake cases wherein he's never being "forced" to bake a cake. He's always free to close his shop and not sell cakes if he has a serious moral/religious conviction. I would assume the same in your artist's case. Literally forcing him to do it, at gunpoint or whatever, is wrong obviously.

2) paint: So this is an interesting case study as painting is usually subjective right? The value depends on the viewer. If you're talking about an inherently creative unique original work there's a strong argument that that's speech and hence protected. But if you're talking about painting a room in your house yellow there's also a strong argument that that's routine commercial work and not speech. Either way that's a compelled speech issue that goes directly to the freedom of speech clause in the First Amendment and would have to be litigated to find the boundaries.

3) against their closely held beliefs: You can refuse service to anyone for any reason that isn't one of the listed protected conditions. So their closely held belief would have to be discriminating against a legally protected class, which is why the cake case is so interesting as he's claiming it's his Christian right to discriminate against gay and transgender people. I agree with the courts that both "the act of baking a pink cake with blue frosting does not constitute protected speech under the First Amendment," and "that CADA’s prohibition against discrimination based on a person’s transgender status does not violate a proprietor’s right to freely exercise or express their religion." That covers both the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion(free exercise) clauses. So they have to follow the CO state law(CADA).

This requires a long answer, I'll get to it later at work.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Duke's Lawson says men's ball used in FSU game

Duke coach Kara Lawson said the teams played with a men's basketball for the first half of a loss to Florida State on Sunday.

www.espn.com

How did she know it’s a men’s ball?

Is she a biologist?

Did it identify as a men's ball? Otherwise sounds like someone assumed a gender.

IM LITERALLY SHAKING

 

[berniecarbo]

Hunter's Business Partner Eric Schwerin Moved Joe Biden's Documents from White House to UDel - Not the Only Time Schwerin Handled Government Docs | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

Hunter Biden’s business partner and President at Rosemont Seneca, Eric Schwerin, was reportedly in charge of the transfer of Joe Biden’s documents to the University of aware. This is the same guy TGP reported on two days ago who was involved in transferring classified information to Ukraine...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[trueblujr2]

The image of a mass murderer. I would guess our taxes paid for them.

Also, I hate to ask, is that a replica of her Vajayjay hanging on the wall behind her?

 

[trueblujr2]

Hunter's Business Partner Eric Schwerin Moved Joe Biden's Documents from White House to UDel - Not the Only Time Schwerin Handled Government Docs | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

Hunter Biden’s business partner and President at Rosemont Seneca, Eric Schwerin, was reportedly in charge of the transfer of Joe Biden’s documents to the University of aware. This is the same guy TGP reported on two days ago who was involved in transferring classified information to Ukraine...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Hey @Dore95, you said earlier you don't want Biden impeached for his lies, So Where's the line with Biden? How much more of this type of corruption needs to be unveiled before you go, yeah, he's a corrupt POS and needs to be impeached?

 

[berniecarbo]

HUGE: Hunter Biden Calls On Joe Biden's DOJ to Investigate John Paul Mac Isaac - One Week after Mac Isaac Served Him in Lawsuit (VIDEO)

Last night Hunter Biden’s attorney sent three letters to various entities regarding the Hunter Biden laptop. Hunter’s attorney’s asked his father Joe Biden’s corrupt DOJ to investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop. Hunter Biden’s attorney’s called on the Attorney General and Delaware’s AG to go after...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[UK_fan_41102]

The Babylon Bee is becoming the most reliable news source out there.

 

[Dore95]

Hey @Dore95, you said earlier you don't want Biden impeached for his lies, So Where's the line with Biden? How much more of this type of corruption needs to be unveiled before you go, yeah, he's a corrupt POS and needs to be impeached?

Impeachment is a bad look and its' all for show. It was bad with Trump and it would be bad for Biden. You could get into a cycle of the minority party impeaching the sitting president every time power changes hands, because there are always claims of corruption, lies, etc.

 

[dbmhoosier]

The Babylon Bee is becoming the most reliable news source out there.

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[WildcatFan1982]

I’d like to see the Jewish space lasers quote.

 

[Platinumdrgn]

Over 500,000 jobs added and 3.4% unemployment! Numbers you maga morons could only dream of. The GoP clown car drives in circles while Biden just keeps winning! The previous 2 months were also revised up by 75,000. We might dip down to 3% or lower by the end of the year.

 

[Bill Derington]

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A little out there for sure, but no where does she mention Jewish space lasers.

So is what AOC ranted about disinformation? Or was she just projecting as Democrats are well versed to do?

 

[Platinumdrgn]

Just within the past couple days a democrat member of the House was ranting about another member taking about “Jewish space lasers”.

If someone could please find me a quote from a Republican talking about Jewish space lasers which the democrat is referring to, that would be great.

If not, please chalk up another damaging democrat lie on the floor of congress which is far worse than guys like Biden, Santos, etc. lying to people who are dumb enough to vote for them.

That's MTG you dope. She went on a 10 minute antijew rant in 21 over how they are destroying Christmas. Talked about Jewish lasers 3 times. She tweeted in 2019 a long rant about how space lasers cause the wildfires.

 

[BlueRunner11]

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Can’t speak for Southern Cal, but the North Cal wildfires were all very “unnatural” in their origins.

Not saying it was space lasers (even though there was a infrared video on YouTube showing something had dropped from a jet on a tower to start one of them before it got scrubbed), but I don’t doubt for a second they were man (gov) made.

Not really to bizarre to think they’d cook up a disaster for their own benefit, is it?

 

[BarnabusStinson]

Maybe he watches Whoopi on the view

 

[AustinTXCat]

chinese invasion coming any day now! build your trenches!

 

[bertfan31]

The only real question is what information was sought?

Nothing to see here. They were just scouting out a good, defensible location for the construction of a new Imperial Palace. They will love us like their own children. You'll see, it will be utopiously glorious!

 

[Platinumdrgn]

I love how the maga morons are having a meltdown over a balloon. ITs the end times! The Dems should hire a clown like Trump to do some balloon art.

 

[Bill Cosby]

That's MTG you dope. She went on a 10 minute antijew rant in 21 over how they are destroying Christmas. Talked about Jewish lasers 3 times. She tweeted in 2019 a long rant about how space lasers cause the wildfires.

Can you please quote her rants against Jewish space lasers?

 

[Bill Cosby]

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I don’t see anything about Jewish space lasers.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

I don’t see anything about Jewish space lasers.

I know. thats the post that caused that phrase to take off

 

[WTF Cat]

 

[WTF Cat]

 

[Dionysus444]

If a bartender is willing to serve you a drink, then finds out you’re a mentally disabled alcoholic and refuses to enable you, he shouldn’t be forced to serve you. Same here. A baker may be willing to bake a cake, but he shouldn’t be forced to entertain the mental disabilities and fantasies of lunatics against his will.

Being an alcoholic isn’t a legally protected class. He’s not allowed to refuse service to her for being trans, whether you think he should be or not.

 

[TheFrontRunner]

The real news story is he actually took a question from a reporter....I didn't think his staff allowed that:







Of course he wasn't going to answer about how weak China is making him look:

 

[gollumcat]

Something is definitely off. We have every inch of everything monitored all the time with satellites and radar. No way that thing got all the way here with noone knowing.



Plus they have advanced technology including satellites themselves. No way theyd just float a balloon.



There's really only one conclusion: we knew they were sending it and agreed to let them. That's why we immediately knew it was Chinese (because I'm sure it didn't just have a Chinese flag on it) and why we didn't shoot it down.



The only real question is what information was sought?

There is a large ballistic missile base and silo in Montana

 

[Bridgeman Owns TruBlu]

I grew up in a Southern Baptist church and am now a Presbyterian. I have never heard of people in those churches "frowning upon" Catholics or considering Catholicism a separate religion from Christianity. Is this a return to the 1950s when it was thought Kennedy was unelectable because he was a Catholic?

I think it's a more recent trend based on the fact that the Catholic Church is led by a progressive pope, and the overwhelming evidence and subsequent media spotlight over the last 10-20 years that Church leadership actively covers up and even condones pedophilia.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

 

[Dionysus444]

Just within the past couple days a democrat member of the House was ranting about another member taking about “Jewish space lasers”.

If someone could please find me a quote from a Republican talking about Jewish space lasers which the democrat is referring to, that would be great.

If not, please chalk up another damaging democrat lie on the floor of congress which is far worse than guys like Biden, Santos, etc. lying to people who are dumb enough to vote for them.

I’d like to see the Jewish space lasers quote.

I know. thats the post that caused that phrase to take off

The Rothschild space lasers are right there in the post. Are you trying to say the Rothschilds aren’t Jewish? They very famously are.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

There is a large ballistic missile base and silo in Montana

Ya but they already know most anything of interest. They own a massive chunk of Telecom industry in this country, have their own satellites, gather unfathomable amounts of data from TikTok, and own most every politician.

Can't imagine there is anything about that installation they wouldn't already know or be able to get by much more clandestine means. Floating a giant, reflective, easily visible balloon is the opposite.

It just doesn't make sense

 

[gollumcat]

The real news story is he actually took a question from a reporter....I didn't think his staff allowed that:

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Of course he wasn't going to answer about how weak China is making him look:

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The inflation quote alone, in a sane world, should ensure his defeat in the next election by a minimum of 10 points.

But we are not a sane world.

 

[TheFrontRunner]

Swalwell's "incisive ability to communicate"...I didn't know farts and sh-tting your pants was a form of communication.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

This cake case does specifically have to do with a CO law, but yes there's the possibility of SCOTUS ruling on some aspects of that CO law in 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis. Will be interesting to see how that one goes and the limits of the ruling since all they took up was the freedom of speech clause and not the freedom of religion clause. Or if they eventually take up Phillips's case on appeal assuming the CO SC affirms the CO appellate court decision.

It's not a coincidence we're talking about cake, food. Sustenance required to live. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 made it illegal to refuse service based just on who someone is. Their race, color, national origin, religion, or sex. Age, disability, and veteran status were added later. This means a town cannot all get together and decide they won't sell food or housing to black people and thereby effectively ban all black people from their town. No one is being forced to create, they're only being forced to provide equal service to all if they choose to provide a service.

You can throw out a platitude like that but it doesn't make it true. Some businesses, mostly in rural areas(especially in the South), would be lauded by their local populations if they refused service to transgender people. They would be more successful, not less. Your free market isn't the solution to every problem.

So your sentence contains several different issues.

1) forced: what do you mean by forced? We've mostly been talking about the Jack Phillips cake cases wherein he's never being "forced" to bake a cake. He's always free to close his shop and not sell cakes if he has a serious moral/religious conviction. I would assume the same in your artist's case. Literally forcing him to do it, at gunpoint or whatever, is wrong obviously.

2) paint: So this is an interesting case study as painting is usually subjective right? The value depends on the viewer. If you're talking about an inherently creative unique original work there's a strong argument that that's speech and hence protected. But if you're talking about painting a room in your house yellow there's also a strong argument that that's routine commercial work and not speech. Either way that's a compelled speech issue that goes directly to the freedom of speech clause in the First Amendment and would have to be litigated to find the boundaries.

3) against their closely held beliefs: You can refuse service to anyone for any reason that isn't one of the listed protected conditions. So their closely held belief would have to be discriminating against a legally protected class, which is why the cake case is so interesting as he's claiming it's his Christian right to discriminate against gay and transgender people. I agree with the courts that both "the act of baking a pink cake with blue frosting does not constitute protected speech under the First Amendment," and "that CADA’s prohibition against discrimination based on a person’s transgender status does not violate a proprietor’s right to freely exercise or express their religion." That covers both the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion(free exercise) clauses. So they have to follow the CO state law(CADA).

Simply because there is a Colorado law doesn't mean much. People who create unique things are expressing free speech. As we know, this also touches on religious freedom. This isn't like McDonalds spitting out a Big Mac, this is a unique item created by an artist of sort. Also, while cake is edible, no one is denying the transgender food. In fact, there are plenty of other places the transgender could have had the cake made but he chose this bakery for a reason. You know that as well as I do.


1. So let me understand your point on "forced". He can either bake the cake or close his business but he isn't being forced? Do you want me to take you seriously with that? It is what he does, it is how he makes his living and it is a business he has built over decades. Our government should never be allowed to compel anyone in speech and that is exactly what Colorado is doing. That is the very definition of forced.

2. No, painting is not necessarily subjective. My niece is a professional artist. She primarily does commission work. In other words, someone contacts her and asks her to design a unique item just for them. She gets the information on what they want it to look like and she puts it on canvas. That is speech. She is also a radical left lesbian and I can assure you I could ask for many things to be painted and she'd tell me to go F myself. It would violate her closely held beliefs. I would never force her out of decency, something the radical left doesn't understand with this baker.

3. No, you're back to compelled speech. He isn't discriminating against gays. Did he tell a gay person they weren't allowed in his bakery? No. Did he tell a gay person they couldn't buy a ready made cake? No. What he said was he wouldn't participate in their "ceremony", an act of speech, by making a unique cake just for that occasion. If we reach a point where the government is allowed to control our speech in this manner, our country is over. Protections don't work both ways, only "disadvantaged" communities are protected. That is not what this country is all about.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Being an alcoholic isn’t a legally protected class. He’s not allowed to refuse service to her for being trans, whether you think he should be or not.

Alcoholism is a disability.

 

[berniecarbo]

Ya but they already know most anything of interest. They own a massive chunk of Telecom industry in this country, have their own satellites, gather unfathomable amounts of data from TikTok, and own most every politician.

Can't imagine there is anything about that installation they wouldn't already know or be able to get by much more clandestine means. Floating a giant, reflective, easily visible balloon is the opposite.

It just doesn't make sense

It is all above my pay grade, but if it is Chinese, maybe it is a message to the rest of the world saying we are the big dog. We can do as we please and our lap dogs will do nothing.

 

[Bill Cosby]

The Rothschild space lasers are right there in the post. Are you trying to say the Rothschilds aren’t Jewish? They very famously are.

Are the Rothschilds Jewish? What the hell does that have to do with her post?

 

[Bill Cosby]

As suspected there’s nothing about Jews and the normal lefties read their own antisemitism into things us reasonable people don’t see.