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Impeachment is a bad look and its' all for show. It was bad with Trump and it would be bad for Biden. You could get into a cycle of the minority party impeaching the sitting president every time power changes hands, because there are always claims of corruption, lies, etc.
Well one WAS all for show. Biden has actually committed crimes and treason worthy of a legitimate impeachment.
 
Alcoholism is a disability.
Usually it isn’t, but granting that that alcoholic was legally disabled under the ADA for your hypothetical then yes, the server would have to serve them. Provided they weren’t drunk at the time, due to Dram Shop laws.
 
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The Rothschild space lasers are right there in the post. Are you trying to say the Rothschilds aren’t Jewish? They very famously are.
The Rothschilds are mentioned, nothing about Jews though. See, one is naming a family, and the other is naming a race/religion. The only ones actually injecting jews into the conversation are Democrats, Greene didn't.
They do this with everything, because the Democrats are race hustlers, MLK warned us about folks like that.
 
The Biden crime syndicate, and all related issues and complicit parties, is one of the biggest scandals in the history of our country. If the media companies employed journalists, and not corrupt grifters, Biden would be in prison.

Sadly, you could probably say that about most administrations. Biden is overtly criminal though, and not even smart enough to cover his tracks like his predecessors. What happened to the old days of journalists looking to make a splash by exposing shit like this?
 
Being an alcoholic isn’t a legally protected class. He’s not allowed to refuse service to her for being trans, whether you think he should be or not.
Again, he didn't refuse service to him. He refused to participate in a ceremony that goes against his beliefs.
 
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Ya but they already know most anything of interest. They own a massive chunk of Telecom industry in this country, have their own satellites, gather unfathomable amounts of data from TikTok, and own most every politician.

Can't imagine there is anything about that installation they wouldn't already know or be able to get by much more clandestine means. Floating a giant, reflective, easily visible balloon is the opposite.

It just doesn't make sense

China wants us to have to tactically deal with it or look weak. That’s the info gathering they’re doing.

Damn thing prob has a bioweapon in it….or the next one that gets floated over may.
 
The inflation quote alone, in a sane world, should ensure his defeat in the next election by a minimum of 10 points.

But we are not a sane world.
Only in America could the government tell people they can't work and then when they are allowed to go back to work claim new job creation. And the population believes them.
 
It is time our military recognizes we are compromised and take appropriate measures
Yes, but we have a problem with our military too. They are woke and national defense is secondary. They have diversity and queer culture as the priority.

Look at the leaders or the military branches and Joint Chief of Staff. They are not taking any action. The left has been very successful in placing the ultra-left in key positions.
 
Simply because there is a Colorado law doesn't mean much. People who create unique things are expressing free speech. As we know, this also touches on religious freedom. This isn't like McDonalds spitting out a Big Mac, this is a unique item created by an artist of sort. Also, while cake is edible, no one is denying the transgender food. In fact, there are plenty of other places the transgender could have had the cake made but he chose this bakery for a reason. You know that as well as I do.


1. So let me understand your point on "forced". He can either bake the cake or close his business but he isn't being forced? Do you want me to take you seriously with that? It is what he does, it is how he makes his living and it is a business he has built over decades. Our government should never be allowed to compel anyone in speech and that is exactly what Colorado is doing. That is the very definition of forced.

2. No, painting is not necessarily subjective. My niece is a professional artist. She primarily does commission work. In other words, someone contacts her and asks her to design a unique item just for them. She gets the information on what they want it to look like and she puts it on canvas. That is speech. She is also a radical left lesbian and I can assure you I could ask for many things to be painted and she'd tell me to go F myself. It would violate her closely held beliefs. I would never force her out of decency, something the radical left doesn't understand with this baker.

3. No, you're back to compelled speech. He isn't discriminating against gays. Did he tell a gay person they weren't allowed in his bakery? No. Did he tell a gay person they couldn't buy a ready made cake? No. What he said was he wouldn't participate in their "ceremony", an act of speech, by making a unique cake just for that occasion. If we reach a point where the government is allowed to control our speech in this manner, our country is over. Protections don't work both ways, only "disadvantaged" communities are protected. That is not what this country is all about.
Ok so it’s clear you didn’t go back and read the entirety of the conversation that’s been going on since Monday when the latest outcome of the cake case was posted as all of this has already been addressed. But we’ll do it again ‘cause you’re a jolly fellow who doesn’t mind a bit of a row.

As to your first paragraph: CADA, the CO law in question, is just what’s currently being challenged as it’s a CO case and CADA specifically lists transgender protections. However this case obviously has national implications as thanks to Gorsuch’s 6-3 majority opinion in Bostock v. Clayton County transgender is now protected under sex discrimination by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Now as for the protections that you claim would allow the baker to ignore CADA, you’re entitled to your opinion that a pink cake with blue frosting constitutes speech or that baking one would violate the free exercise of his religion. But the courts have so far disagreed. I quoted the court statements on those First Amendment concerns in the post you’re responding to. Could they go to another baker? Right now, yes. Because these protections exist. But if they didn’t, as many here desire, then that immediately is thrown into question as each baker would be allowed to refuse service until eventually there are none left. That seems unlikely to you typing on a message board in 2023, but the only reason we were able to get to this point is because of these protections. Denial of service was used very effectively against minority populations many times in our nation’s history before ‘64.

1) He’s being forced to close up shop, not bake a cake for a transgender person. He has a right to practice his religion, not own a cake shop. If he feels the two are mutually incompatible then that’s his issue, not society’s. He’s free to close for his conscience at any time. No one is compelling his speech as he can simply not participate if he doesn’t want to.

2) You ignored my example of painting because it didn’t fit your narrative. That’s fine but you realize you aren’t being fair in your analysis. As for the works your niece creates they’re inherently works of art. You can’t eat them. So that most likely falls under speech and is therefore protected. The pink cake with blue frosting however has been ruled by the courts to be innocuous with no explicit meaning and so is not speech and therefore not protected. I directly quoted that from the court decision as well in my post.

3) His rights as a Christian man are the same as hers. He cannot be discriminated against by a business for his faith just like she can’t be for being transgender. You only see her transgender protections as special because they’re new. They aren’t special. They’re the exact same protections that you and I and everyone else have.
 
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Again, he didn't refuse service to him. He refused to participate in a ceremony that goes against his beliefs.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but the courts and I disagree. He isn’t participating in any ceremony. He’s selling a pink cake with blue frosting. Your logic is tortured. The courts and America reject it.
 
Ok so it’s clear you didn’t go back and read the entirety of the conversation that’s been going on since Monday when the latest outcome of the cake case was posted as all of this has already been addressed. But we’ll do it again ‘cause you’re a jolly fellow who doesn’t mind a bit of a row.

As to your first paragraph: CADA, the CO law in question, is just what’s currently being challenged as it’s a CO case and CADA specifically lists transgender protections. However this case obviously has national implications as thanks to Gorsuch’s 6-3 majority opinion in Bostock v. Clayton County transgender is now protected under sex discrimination by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Now as for the protections that you claim would allow the baker to ignore CADA, you’re entitled to your opinion that a pink cake with blue frosting constitutes speech or that baking one would violate the free exercise of his religion. But the courts have so far disagreed. I quoted the court statements on those First Amendment concerns in the post you’re responding to. Could they go to another baker? Right now, yes. Because these protections exist. But if they didn’t, as many here desire, then that immediately is thrown into question as each baker would be allowed to refuse service until eventually there are none left. That seems unlikely to you typing on a message board in 2023, but the only reason we were able to get to this point is because of these protections. Denial of service was used very effectively against minority populations many times in our nation’s history before ‘64.

1) He’s being forced to close up shop, not bake a cake for a transgender person. He has a right practice his religion, not own a cake shop. If he feels the two are mutually incompatible then that’s his issue, not society’s. He’s free to close for his conscience at any time. No one is compelling his speech as he can simply not participate if he doesn’t want to.

2) You ignored my example of painting because it didn’t fit your narrative. That’s fine but you realize you aren’t being fair in your analysis. As for the works your niece creates they’re inherently works of art. You can’t eat them. So that most likely falls under speech and is therefore protected. The pink cake with blue frosting however has been ruled by the courts to be innocuous with no explicit meaning and so is not speech and therefore not protected. I directly quoted that as well from the court decision.

3) His rights as a Christian man are the same as hers. He cannot be discriminated against by a business for his faith just like she can’t be for being transgender. You only see her transgender protections as special because they’re new. They aren’t special. They’re the exact same protections that you and I and everyone else have.
Eating has nothing whatsoever to do with this. This is about freedom of speech and freedom of religion. What it boils down to is competing rights. Which does this country hold closer. Usually our most preciously held rights, speech and religion, take precedent. I'm not at all interested in state laws that often create unconstitutional situations like this. I'm interested in what SCOTUS does with it. I will be shocked if the baker loses this case. Btw, it isn't a her. It's a him playing dress up. While I don't bother transgenders, I also won't join in on their insanity.

I am curious though, where do you get this "eating" litmus test? I'm totally unaware of it in any legal text.
 
You’re entitled to your opinion, but the courts and I disagree. He isn’t participating in any ceremony. He’s selling a pink cake with blue frosting. Your logic is tortured. The courts and America reject it.
You and I are irrelevant. So are the Colorado courts as this is a constitutional issue. SCOTUS has not and at least half the country doesn't either.
 
The Rothschilds are mentioned, nothing about Jews though. See, one is naming a family, and the other is naming a race/religion. The only ones actually injecting jews into the conversation are Democrats, Greene didn't.
They do this with everything, because the Democrats are race hustlers, MLK warned us about folks like that.
He knows that. He just regurgitates whatever his lefty leaders say regardless of how ignorant and crazy the statements are. Anyone who could read that and imply she was talking about Jews is an idiot...or AOC. If I make a statement in regard to a man named Joe who is, for example, German....am I making a statement regarding Joe or all Germans? Just pure ignorance all around from the left.
 
the balloon meltdown continues! hide your kids from the balloons!

I'm very surprised you feel this way. President J. Edgar Hoover, your hero, would have taken this matter very seriously and shot that balloon down.

Do you not understand that if they get away with this, it is a sign of absolute weakness and will only make them more brazen?
 
Over 500,000 jobs added and 3.4% unemployment! Numbers you maga morons could only dream of. The GoP clown car drives in circles while Biden just keeps winning! The previous 2 months were also revised up by 75,000. We might dip down to 3% or lower by the end of the year.
Unemployment rate only tracks people actively looking for work. Labor participation is still down from pre-Covid levels as people have become accustomed to government handouts. Come back to us when sleepy Joe gets these people back into the work force.
 
Eating has nothing whatsoever to do with this. This is about freedom of speech and freedom of religion. What it boils down to is competing rights. Which does this country hold closer. Usually our most preciously held rights, speech and religion, take precedent. I'm not at all interested in state laws that often create unconstitutional situations like this. I'm interested in what SCOTUS does with it. I will be shocked if the baker loses this case. Btw, it isn't a her. It's a him playing dress up. While I don't bother transgenders, I also won't join in on their insanity.

I am curious though, where do you get this "eating" litmus test? I'm totally unaware of it in any legal text.
It involves whether or not a cake is speech. You say it is. Others say it isn’t. The court has to look at all the arguments and make a determination. You used an example of an artist that you feel is clearly speech. One can make a different example of a chili joint where a customer orders a higher spice level. They refuse. Is bland chili protected speech? Most would argue no and so far the courts have agreed.
 
Mr. McCabe...the guy an inspector general appointed by Obama found repeatedly lied, he was fired, pension taken away. Immediately hired by CNN and when Biden got in office restored his pension. This is why it's called The Swamp.







They are desperate to destroy a little computer repairman.







 
You and I are irrelevant. So are the Colorado courts as this is a constitutional issue. SCOTUS has not and at least half the country doesn't either.
So far the courts have held it isn't a First Amendment issue at all. And as I pointed out in my post Gorsuch was the author of Bostock v. Clayton County that ruled discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity were discrimination based on sex which is prohibited by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. You're predicting both he and Roberts will flip their positions from a decision just three years ago? Bold.
I'm interested in what SCOTUS does with it. I will be shocked if the baker loses this case.
 
If a bartender is willing to serve you a drink, then finds out you’re a mentally disabled alcoholic and refuses to enable you, he shouldn’t be forced to serve you. Same here. A baker may be willing to bake a cake, but he shouldn’t be forced to entertain the mental disabilities and fantasies of lunatics against his will.
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Should end the discussion.
 
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