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It is all above my pay grade, but if it is Chinese, maybe it is a message to the rest of the world saying we are the big dog. We can do as we please and our lap dogs will do nothing.
I think they proved that. They are the Big Dog and Biden got extremely wealthy helping them become Big Dog.

China owns us is not just a bumper sticker.
 
Ok so it’s clear you didn’t go back and read the entirety of the conversation that’s been going on since Monday when the latest outcome of the cake case was posted as all of this has already been addressed. But we’ll do it again ‘cause you’re a jolly fellow who doesn’t mind a bit of a row.

As to your first paragraph: CADA, the CO law in question, is just what’s currently being challenged as it’s a CO case and CADA specifically lists transgender protections. However this case obviously has national implications as thanks to Gorsuch’s 6-3 majority opinion in Bostock v. Clayton County transgender is now protected under sex discrimination by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Now as for the protections that you claim would allow the baker to ignore CADA, you’re entitled to your opinion that a pink cake with blue frosting constitutes speech or that baking one would violate the free exercise of his religion. But the courts have so far disagreed. I quoted the court statements on those First Amendment concerns in the post you’re responding to. Could they go to another baker? Right now, yes. Because these protections exist. But if they didn’t, as many here desire, then that immediately is thrown into question as each baker would be allowed to refuse service until eventually there are none left. That seems unlikely to you typing on a message board in 2023, but the only reason we were able to get to this point is because of these protections. Denial of service was used very effectively against minority populations many times in our nation’s history before ‘64.

1) He’s being forced to close up shop, not bake a cake for a transgender person. He has a right to practice his religion, not own a cake shop. If he feels the two are mutually incompatible then that’s his issue, not society’s. He’s free to close for his conscience at any time. No one is compelling his speech as he can simply not participate if he doesn’t want to.

2) You ignored my example of painting because it didn’t fit your narrative. That’s fine but you realize you aren’t being fair in your analysis. As for the works your niece creates they’re inherently works of art. You can’t eat them. So that most likely falls under speech and is therefore protected. The pink cake with blue frosting however has been ruled by the courts to be innocuous with no explicit meaning and so is not speech and therefore not protected. I directly quoted that from the court decision as well in my post.

3) His rights as a Christian man are the same as hers. He cannot be discriminated against by a business for his faith just like she can’t be for being transgender. You only see her transgender protections as special because they’re new. They aren’t special. They’re the exact same protections that you and I and everyone else have.
Another thing that you left out. I asked if he actually denied gays the right to buy anything in his store. He didn't but he did deny the cake. What is the difference, in your opinion, to him?
 
Over 500,000 jobs added and 3.4% unemployment! Numbers you maga morons could only dream of. The GoP clown car drives in circles while Biden just keeps winning! The previous 2 months were also revised up by 75,000. We might dip down to 3% or lower by the end of the year.
Stock analysts and their billionaire benefactors are going nuts because they missed this move. Now they will fear monger even more than 2022 in order to drive down stocks and get in at lower levels. Meanwhile the broader economy is giving these folks the middle finger.

I approve this economic message.
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Only in America could the government tell people they can't work and then when they are allowed to go back to work claim new job creation. And the population believes them.

Unemployment rate only tracks people actively looking for work. Labor participation is still down from pre-Covid levels as people have become accustomed to government handouts. Come back to us when sleepy Joe gets these people back into the work force.
This is a perfect example of how that academia & the media has dumbed downed the voters that votes democrat. They will believe any crap that CNN & MSNBC tells them.
 
I'm very surprised you feel this way. President J. Edgar Hoover, your hero, would have taken this matter very seriously and shot that balloon down.

Do you not understand that if they get away with this, it is a sign of absolute weakness and will only make them more brazen?

Reports of a second balloon incoming. Over Canada atm.
 
Another thing that you left out. I asked if he actually denied gays the right to buy anything in his store. He didn't but he did deny the cake. What is the difference, in your opinion, to him?
It doesn't matter what he perceives as the difference just like it doesn't matter what he perceives her gender to be. He sells cakes. Including colored ones. She asked for a pink cake with blue frosting. He agreed as that's a simple, generic service open to all the public. He then refused when he found out what type of person it was for. One who was transitioning. Which is a protected issue you can't refuse service over. Open and shut.
 
Being an alcoholic isn’t a legally protected class. He’s not allowed to refuse service to her for being trans, whether you think he should be or not.
And, he did not refuse based upon the status of the he/she patron, but rather on the activity his expression was intended to support. You know this, but keep avoiding it. The guy has made cakes for the alphabet community. This was not about his/her desire to be trans.
 
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Ya but they already know most anything of interest. They own a massive chunk of Telecom industry in this country, have their own satellites, gather unfathomable amounts of data from TikTok, and own most every politician.

Can't imagine there is anything about that installation they wouldn't already know or be able to get by much more clandestine means. Floating a giant, reflective, easily visible balloon is the opposite.

It just doesn't make sense
They know a lot more than the American public.
 
He knows that. He just regurgitates whatever his lefty leaders say regardless of how ignorant and crazy the statements are. Anyone who could read that and imply she was talking about Jews is an idiot...or AOC. If I make a statement in regard to a man named Joe who is, for example, German....am I making a statement regarding Joe or all Germans? Just pure ignorance all around from the left.
The Rothschilds are a proxy term for the international Jewish cabal that the antisemitic conspiracy theorists say run the media and world. It's fine to not know that, but it just makes you ignorant, not correct.
 
Trump Calls Out McCarthy. It was murder Mr. Speaker

The Police Officer Was Not Just Doing His Job

Yeah, just saw that comment from McCarthy today...he was doing well overall, but that is why I said I didn't trust him. That was a ridiculous thing for McCarthy to say. Even if he believes that, there were a dozen ways he could have answered that question that would not piss off so many people.


 
And, he did not refuse based upon the status of the he/she patron, but rather on the activity his expression was intended to support. You know this, but keep avoiding it. The guy has made cakes for the alphabet community. This was not about his/her desire to be trans.
From the Denver court decision: "Here, the refusal to provide the bakery item is inextricably intertwined with the refusal to recognize Ms. Scardina as a woman. The concept that a business can decide whether to make the requested item depending on what information the customer provides would establish the equivalent of a 'Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell' rule — LGBT individuals would be entitled to equal service only to the extent they do not request goods that reflect their identity as LGBT individuals."
 
It doesn't matter what he perceives as the difference just like it doesn't matter what he perceives her gender to be. He sells cakes. Including colored ones. She asked for a pink cake with blue frosting. He agreed as that's a simple, generic service open to all the public. He then refused when he found out what type of person it was for. One who was transitioning. Which is a protected issue you can't refuse service over. Open and shut.
Oh, but it does matter, his freedom of speech and freedom of religion have standing as well.
 
Oh, but it does matter, his freedom of speech and freedom of religion have standing as well.
Not according to the courts. They've ruled "that the act of baking a pink cake with blue frosting does not constitute protected speech under the First Amendment," and "that CADA’s prohibition against discrimination based on a person’s transgender status does not violate a proprietor’s right to freely exercise or express their religion." As I've repeatedly linked and quoted. Both First Amendment complaints were rejected.
 
Yeah, just saw that comment from McCarthy today...he was doing well overall, but that is why I said I didn't trust him. That was a ridiculous thing for McCarthy to say. Even if he believes that, there were a dozen ways he could have answered that question that would not piss off so many people.


Someone needs to send McCarthy the video (if it hasn't been taken down and mothballed) of the cop's gun (can't see him)...taking careful aim for 30+ seconds...and shooting her when she is no threat to him.
Wonder if McCarthy has seen it?
 
From the Denver court decision: "Here, the refusal to provide the bakery item is inextricably intertwined with the refusal to recognize Ms. Scardina as a woman. The concept that a business can decide whether to make the requested item depending on what information the customer provides would establish the equivalent of a 'Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell' rule — LGBT individuals would be entitled to equal service only to the extent they do not request goods that reflect their identity as LGBT individuals."
Dion, you do get that I believe the Colorado appellate court is wrong, right? Was that not conveyed in all of this banter? If not, hopefully you will understand it now. I think the courts are filled with activists who don’t care about the constitution. The man has been clear, he has served openly gay and trans people. So, this is not about their status. If they said they intended to used the cake to smother a baby, he would refuse and it would have NOTHING to do with the fact that they identify as trans. Quoting the state court does not change that fact.
 
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You can if you use the "Ignore" button.

You guys should try it for a week or two... betting you'll never go back... and you'll be smarter for it lol.

I think discourse is valuable in most cases, and I don't know this Dion guy enough to know if this is consistent behavior for him. I'm giving cakegate 24 hours to subside and if it's still raging tomorrow I'll resort to that.
 
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On another note, just saw an article talking about Biden taking out a $250k line of credit in December. Article noted his financial disclosure shows assets of $1-2.6 million.

First of what the hell does he need a line of credit for, and especially now that interest rates are relatively high.

Next, and most importantly, in 2017 he made had over $11 million of income and paid less than $4 million in tax. That nets to $7 million after tax. Obviously some of that was noncash flow though income, but for books or speaking* so the cash should have been there. What the hell does he do with all his money?


*obviously he was laundering money, but the point remains, cash was available.
 
Not according to the courts. They've ruled "that the act of baking a pink cake with blue frosting does not constitute protected speech under the First Amendment," and "that CADA’s prohibition against discrimination based on a person’s transgender status does not violate a proprietor’s right to freely exercise or express their religion." As I've repeatedly linked and quoted. Both First Amendment complaints were rejected.
Again, nothing is settled on this until SCOTUS decides not to hear it or rules on it. It will come before them unless Colorado's SC or the Tenth Circuit reverses the decision and then it will probably still go before SCOTUS. The current ruling is almost certainly meaningless.
 
Why the hell don’t we send 6 or 8 balloons over China see what they do. All thes tough guys here who hate Russia hell China is by far the bigger threat to the globe. Send in the balloons. We have appeased the hell outta China and made them rich. We ll confront Russia but piss our leg for xi.
 
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