Your link says radar and air defense systems. All defensive equipment to protect Iran.
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Name the weapons. Im amused that anyone would link kim dotcom. Hes a criminal and conspiracy loon.
The Su-35 is a terrible war plane. Its huge and nearly defenseless in a long range dog fight.
I'd love to hear more on your theory here since Russia can't afford to part with any weapon that is decent.
The time frame for your attack has come and gone days ago. Does kim dotcom have any new and less stupid information to share?
If you’re in need of stupidity, start with your assertion that “my” attack won’t materialize because it didn’t happen in somebody’s predicted timeframe.
Maybe you should call the Pentagon. I’m sure they could use your intelligence on this.
That time frame came from the Pentagon, Poindexter.
Now tell me more about these incredible weapons Russia is giving Iran.
One thing about NATO that seems kinda obvious to me (maybe others) - they aren't really a proven or ready- nor reliable - fighting force
NATO's non-American military forces are sub-par, lack experience and the WILL to win a bloody war against a major power IMO
Just a thought -
Last i heard them brag about 22 combat divisions (believe that's right - its Army lingo so...) on or near Russias border
20 of the 22 were US military units
Fresh off the big loss to the Taliban & time itself
An actual military LEADER would be advising strongly against continued involvement in expensive, unwinnable, overseas shit shows like these
NATO - I mean GotDayum
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Curious. Who is a proven, reliable fighting forces besides US, Israel, Ukraine? Taliban? Houthis? Thanks.
Brilliant or not, appears to have rattled Putin into locking down three regions in the area & causing him to pull troops from other fronts. Those sound like good initial outcomes for Ukraine I think. You?
Has Ukraine started using their newly acquired F-16's yet?
It should divert Russian troops which should help to reduce the Ukrainian and even theoretically Russian casualties. It gives them leverage for the first time. Also it’s nearly impossible to win if you allow the other side to dictate when and where you fight. Bottom line Ukraine can never win a war of attrition against Russia and this changes the equation to something that gives them a better chance at victory. Slim but better.
Also I will admit I thought about my word choice for a second but just rolled with it. Tried to dial back the hyperbole in the next sentence but I can get having a visceral reaction to the choice.
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Perhaps changing the equation does let you win a war of attrition. Superior weapons could too. Not saying U does or will have those.
I realize my comment may have seemed like a drive by shot hut what i mean is - most of the NATO nations im Europe spent decades half assing their own defense against the Soviets
The US footed an enormous amount of the cost of defense and maintained bases across multiple nations - while continually investing in weapons upgrades, design improvements, strategic planning etc
One very good point former President Trump made while visiting EU was that Germany wasn't even living up to paying their required NATO dues for military sustainment ((I think NATO nations agreed to put a fixed % of their GDP back into NaTO assets - Germany was shortchanging the system for decades))
Aside fm that you also have many NATO nations that haven't fought in an armed conflict - in - centuries?
And the ones who have are now experiencing a cultural phenomenon where they are shamed for having "Nationalistic" thoughts or actions
NATO has really not been relevant since the
WARSAW pact collapsed IMO
and NOW - were no longer talking about the Cold War models of the 50-80's for a major conflict there - everything has changed
There are many places in certain areas of Europe where the citizens would probably tell you they've been invaded and are actively being displaced by the unchecked waves of foreigners -- genuine social/economic upheaval is happening because of this factor --- so how do you get the rank and file citizens pf Britain, Germany, France , and others --- to have the
Force pf conviction and the WILL to win a potential war with Russia / China and their alliance?
and WE - have no coherent strategy
Dumping weapons mindlessly inside Ukraine - changing or bypassing Federal Acquisition Regulations just to keep the pipeline of weapons flowing - sometimes shipping items we KNOW the recipients are trained or qualified to use
And - we're finally reaching our breaking point too
The US mikiitary badly needs to sit this onenoit and regroup
Its a dumpster $hit Fire show sham-ockery IMO
Finally - the US forces that entered Afghanistan were battle tested fm Iraq and other conflicts - we adapted and changed how we deployed and managed The "Long War" (or traveling burlesque $hit show - whatever)
Combined arms - more effective
Various services integrated with each other more thoroughly
Smart weapons generally doing exactly what we want them to
NATO nations?
Poland ls first attempt with our Patriot batteries resulted in them striking a polish farm and killing some livestock I think?
Germany went into a full melt down when they updated their uniforms and the TAGS - (small/small, small/medium etc) -- used the abbreviation "SS" for small/short
From their clueless defense director on down though the lackeys - it was a national crisis for about two months last year or so
They also had soldiers having to provide their own boots at one point?
NATO has NEVER fought a war
And now - they're fat, dumb and neurotic
Plus - they lack the will and fortitude to establish victory conditions on Russias doorstep AND - I would argue - also lack the moral grounds for that campaign
Russia and the rest of the world seem to know it?
Hope - that helps
Hope you're doing well, VanHalen my friend
Honestly I haven't looked at ANY news for about 2-3 months?
I JUST started peeking around last night
Highly doubtful they're flying F16s yet
We are sending rhem to Taiwan this fall supposedly - I thought the Ukrainian F16 sale was hyperbole ?
The F16 is a badass little fighter jet, Catfans
Still - 80s technology and all 🫡
Sounds logical i guess
Honestly im not up to date on that conflict lately
My question there was genuinely just seeking your thoughts
Thanks for replying!
I will have to read more tonight (have tomorrow off)
No problem. At least in some of the areas I know Russia’s strategy has been to throw wave after wave of troops with the thought that eventually Ukraine will simply run out of ammo and then be overrun. This is a good way to divert some of those waves in theory.
In a way people have become accountable to the type of "limited" warfare that the US generally used since GW1
smart weapons guided by inertial measuring units within a guidance system that's networked into a constellation of GPS satellites & backed (generally) by good intel on what we're aiming at and why -
So not just bombing your capital to get General So and So - but specifically hitting the downtown general assembly building of the govt - on the 3rd floor - last office on the right
Russia - who also hasn't had a serious military conflict since - Afghanistan - isn't as tuned nor as concerned I think
But - just think of history and the various wars waged against Russia
Their people just keep coming and coming and coming & conscripting and sending more and more --
I think there's no plausible way to hold Ukraine as a kind of western asset
its sad and a damn shame doe rhe enlisted types - as it always is
This doesn't seem to agree with you and its pretty specific.
They caught Russia off guard and the simple fact that they are still able to mount such an offensive move is brilliant on its own.
Hope the Ukrainians give em hell and somehow this can move a peace agreement forward.
They are paying a heavy price for the mobilization and conscription. Their economy is very short of workers. Also 600,000 to 800,000 men fled Russia to avoid the war and most of them have not gone back.
You make it sound like Russian men are volunteering out of patriotism but that isn't the case.
It's probably a decent source/content or whatever - i will check it later tonight since itll be a late one
I'm not saying NATO forces couldn't cause a lot of damage - the firepower is still there to dial a yield with some nukes - Air Forces that would presumably carry out orders for strikes in specific places -- hard to stop it its coordinated well
I just have zero faith in NATO operating as an effective military force - and - like I said - i see no viable victory conditions
Heres another thing I believe is happening concurrently - surely you've all noticed the sharp turn against Israel , particularly since the Gaza conflicts ....
This conflict is going to take on an increasingly "ethnicities & nationalities" feel to it
Personally i believe a great deal of that is engineered by elements of The State to keep citizens & normal ppl divided and unable to generate a unified political consciousness
Anywho - back after this shower
I smell like somebody spilled Chinese food in a birdcage
Then why are you questioning it? Your time away has not improved your comprehension skills.
You’ll wait? You’ll wait for somebody else to explain a scenario to you where we might have to hit sites that are threatening our carriers? You can’t envision that on your own?
You guys are as detached from reality as ever. In fact, getting farther away from it.
You're taking a S-300 over a F22 or F35? How is this Russian radar going to detect an F22 and F35?
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If 'kleine' is small, and 'kurze' is short... where did they get ''ss'' from?
Good question - we wore NATO spec BDU's while i was active duty (1992-2002) and it COULD be that their uniforms were not German made or labeled auf Deutsch
At the time I read that specific article it was an extension of another story about their defense minister -
I should try to go back and see if i can still find a story on it -
Apparently it was for rhe tiniest German soldiers in the ranks ![[laughing]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/laugh.r191677.gif "Laughing [laughing]")
NY Post - German Unis 2022
Jerusalem Post - German Throwback Unis?
NY Post - German Unis 2022
Jerusalem Post - German Throwback Unis?
You might be right about NATO, but given the two + year clusterf@&k of Russia invading Ukraine, who is going to defeat NATO?
Russia has suffered more casualties than did the US in WWII, lost 600-800 aircraft and thousands of tanks and armored vehicles, sustained progression of no farther than 60 clicks into a country the size of Texas, suffered an invasion of Russia proper, and yet they would wipe NATO out?
Are the US and UK no longer in NATO? Germany has half-assed their participation for decades, but that doesn’t diminish the huge investments by Poland, and the Eastern flank, spurred on by Russia’s aggression against Ukraine.
Sounds like a great case for the us to not be involved. I agree.
US had 291K killed & 1.076M total casualties in WW2. Russia loses here exceed that? I haven't seen numbers like that from a credible source. But I haven't looked very much either.
I want to know why - in this day and age - we can’t get accurate information re casualties. It doesn’t even seem like the press even cares.
Thus, the BBC stated that the actual death toll of Russian forces, counting only Russian servicemen and contractors (i.e. excluding DPR/LPR militia), was over 115,500 by late July 2024, "according to the most conservative estimate."[75]
Wagner PMC chief Yevgeny Prigozhin confirmed that his organization had lost over 20,000 troops killed by May 25, 2023.[76] He went on to claim that overall, the Russian military had lost 120,000 dead in Ukraine by late June. He accused the Ministry of Defence of systematically downplaying Russian losses.[77]
Meduza, analyzing data on confirmed soldiers killed and data retrieved from the Russian probate registry, estimated 75,000 Russian soldiers were killed since the start of the invasion and by the end of 2023, a statistical estimate within a wide range of between 66,000 and 88,000 killed.[79] Subsequently, several months later, Meduza gave a new estimate of 64,000 soldiers killed in 2022 and 2023, based on excess deaths reported by Rosstat, including those in Crimea, but not other Ukrainian regions seized by Russia.[80] Using a similar analysis, but in addition using a statistical model of the ratio of total deaths to deaths confirmed by name, stratified by age group, and the Mediazona updated counts of named deaths, Meduza gave an updated estimate of total Russian deaths of 120,000 killed through to 30 June 2024.[81] Several days later, The Economist made its own calculation using the severely-wounded-to-killed ratio from leaked documents by the United States Department of Defense, giving an estimate of between 462,000 and 728,000 Russian soldiers killed or wounded since the start of the conflict.[82
The Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) found that more Russian soldiers died in the first year of the war in Ukraine than in all its other wars since World War II combined, an average 5,000 to 5,800 soldiers a month, vs 13,000 to 25,000 in Chechnya over 15 years and 14,000 to 16,000 in Afghanistan. Thus, the first year of the Ukraine war was 25 times deadlier than Chechnya and 35 times more so than Afghanistan.[78]
I've gone on Wikipedia and read that same page. I was referring to the US MSM, which doesn't seem that interested.
MSM is controlled. Ukraine is old news. It's about Kamala now. There's plenty of media sources out there that do work on finding losses. ABC, Fox, MSNBC, ABC, etc etc. Don't care.
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